The Kanye Episode

dude it just comes with the territory that's i when you're in your creative a band you get you're gonna be crazy you gotta accept the crazy this do you wanna talk about kanye i do wanna talk about kanye yeah so i only watched the first episode because i have this rule i've got two rules the the first rule is if there's a movie that involves animals as the protagonist protagonist i don't know where to go with this i don't watch it i don't want i don't want good the animals always die so i don't watch it i have a rule i don't want like if there's a war movie and it's set in a period where they had horses like brave heart or the or the patriot and the horses die in the war i don't watch it i i just it's too much for me i don't like to seeing it horses die i don't like seeing the line get tram i don't watch that shit the second thing is if it's generally either scary or sad i don't watch that either i'm not paying money to get freaked out right i'm paying money to be happy about yeah like my life sucks sometimes anyway i don't need to like i wanna pay money to like make it not suck so i knew that in episode two that was when of these mom died so i was like nope i'm not gonna watch that so i only watched episode one but by the way i've watched ships his mom just diet that that part so they made it i thought they made they're were playing the song hey mama like over the premium so you haven't seen any the scenes with his mom because those are the best scenes though well yeah where she's like he's like i bought a she's like you don't own a house but you bought this chain and she goes i like it well you got like the check kanye it's nice this is nice kanye yeah she's very supportive of yeah crazy so dude okay so let's talk about the model alright so this kinda documentary is frankly great and i'm kind of mad more friends didn't tell me you gotta watch this like i can see why maybe some people don't like it but this is like this is up my alley this is this is my app dude the did you see the idea about how they're basically it was just a guy you could you ask yourself why is this there's this footage from why is this guy just walking around like he's got a cam it's like a cam corner on his shoulder why is this guy with kanye when he's like on the street and basically this guy was like i saw i forget the movie that he saw it was called like troops there's a movie where yeah hoop dreams so follows was four young like high school or kids or eight great kids he's like let's see if they're gonna make it to the nba and he's like i was inspired by that and i thought kanye was gonna be famous and so i just decided to follow around and this is before youtube was sore around it was weird that a guy was with like a shoulder cam quarter tote totally weird what what luck for all of us that that guy so so shout out ta coo the guy who did it he basically and and by the way i think they explained this more later i haven't seen the whole thing so i might not know something that's like said in the in the documentary but like i've only watched the first couple parts so he basically sees kanye he's like this guy's cool and then drops everything and is he's like i'm gonna film this guy like i i'm film this random guy from chicago who wears a retainer and he's trying to be a rapper and he's like a cool producer but like you know who knows right like you know most people don't make it as kanye says in the documentary he goes yeah where i grew up there's a whole bunch of guys who were you who are who just finn get signed i guess what the still finn gets signed they're just that always finn to get signed and so like you know that seemed like the the most likely path but like that's amazing so the this documentary is amazing because he's got footage from before everything when when he's when he's got nothing when nobody believes in him and he's like you know trying to make it and because because of that he's got all this footage and other people also view it as harmless it's like oh i don't know why is this i got a camera what are you doing with a camera out it's like i'm filming a documentary for kanye alright that's weird alright but i guess come on it and like you who knows and so you see jay z you see fore you see all these like legends in the game early on because in in studio because they just have this footage it's amazing that it was awesome i love this documentary it it was cool that he looked up to a couple guys like most deaf and common and now those folks aren't even in the same stratosphere feel that's what he is exactly he's yes and he surpassed them they asked for his honor and he yeah and they were like alright fine kanye fine i'll i'll i'll come i'll come with you to this thing right and it was awesome and it's easy to say like when i watch it now i'm like oh this is so obvious this guy like has the factor and of course that's easy but there was a there was one scene where he was in a record label like reception room i think yeah and there this woman just standing there and he was like hey can i talk to whoever and she kind of ignored him and then he just started rap and he's was like let me show you my rap and he plays he plays all falls down right i think and which is like the hit of his and he's rapid if she's like get kim up a minute and then eventually she just like she starts making calls she's and she's like working and then she's like excuse me like has to walk by because there's some at the door and he's playing all falls down before it like we became a thing and and it made me think of two things one that's crazy that he kept getting after it and two even though all falls down is a total hit i understand how if you heard it it's just some crazy guy you'd be like oh that's stupid yeah and it really makes me respect people whether it's people who invest money in a product or people who find an artist or find art or a trend people who can spot something and be like i think that's it and if we position it in the market this way this is gonna be a home run and it really shows you how hard that is because that woman and there was like three different ladies walking around the room we're one hundred percent fans of that song they were like per in the dark they were like looked like young people that were in the music industry and they're were working the way up they won hundred percent were about that song when it came out but then they it it didn't click and that is when i tried to badge i'm like what what is my all falls down today did i over anything today and i found myself asking that after i saw that documentary hundred percent because you just see people who are writing them off people who were just too busy doing their work that they missed this absolute gold mine that's like literally he's putting it in your face saying please please like check me out right and like and it's easy like when something's popular it's easy to appreciate it's greatness when something is just a random guy in your way it really takes something special to spot that talent and it made me wanna be that guy right it made it maybe wanna be that parent to like i wrote down a bunch of notes which is weird because i who writes notes all documentary matter but i was there were things that stood out to me that were like real life lessons are just amazing moments that we're in this so i'll give you one he's wrapping with his mom his mom his mom was a english teacher and she's like what's that one used to say like i was at the playground around and then they said good boys came around and then and she's like doing it and then he does it and she's like oh i love that one kanye like an audience of one it's like all he really had at that point was one fan it's like his mom and she's like that's a million dollars right there and she goes i always used to tell you that right it's that's a million dollars right there and he laughing he goes and got a million dollars yet and like now he's a billionaire right and so it's like and she's like no i'm telling you that's a million dollars and then he he tells her some good news he's like mom mtv is gonna film me for their like you heard it here first thing for emerging artists like unknown artist can you hey they they're gonna film a documentary my my mo can you believe that and she goes i can believe it the way you are she goes you write tracks it's like watching michael jordan shooting free throws and then she goes and then she goes she goes you know you you worked so hard you kept going you keep going up it's bound to pay off so yeah i believe that kanye people like you you're special kanye and like and she and she's not saying it there's no difference when you sign you're doing a really good drive with this yeah this is good i you've got me bought it this is really good and so so she would you know there's a difference when somebody says something like oh you're great versus like when somebody genuinely believes in you and they're not just trying pump you up and they just have a quiet confidence about it like she wasn't going overboard and wasn't saying like don't worry you're gonna make she was just saying like of course i believe it like yeah i'm not surprised and she wasn't critical so he comes back and she goes kanye when you're gonna buy a house and she he goes i don't know yep but check this out and he pulls out this chain i don't know what was on it but he was like i could've have bought a house but i bought this instead and she goes well that's it's alright it's pretty nice it's i like that kind yeah yeah i she's and she's like so again so supportive and such a believer and that's like a you know a thing that moms do but it's just like you know that's mad respect on that and and and so most moms don't do that by the way i don't think most moms do that well i feel like you know you know a lot of people like do to i have the best mom it's like well you know yeah yeah trust me this well i i i think that there's a lot of shitty parents out there i and then then i think that most stress are just the most parents are just are okay it's just like a distribution just like everything else and she was very special and right single mom too right no doubt single mom and hey you know he opened up a fridge and there's like literally like i it's like wine and milk why well there's a quarter of milk and like in and a credit corner a court of rosa or something like that why z dale and then like he's and then he uses that like in his song later or whatever and so is a couple other things so that so he goes he so i'm just gonna can i read you to some of these notes i just is going he goes so there's one scene where he's he's oh no she goes she she's trying to warn him and just she goes you have this confidence that kinda like you know but once you make sure you stay humble and and like obviously that's you know bit a challenge for kanye over time as he's like i am jesus now and so and she's like remember a giant looks in the mirror and sees nothing and like i still to this point i don't know what that meant and kinda clearly we also didn't know what that meant in the moment and then she tries to explain she goes she goes don't she goes don't make yourself less of a star a star is gonna look like a star you can't be a star and then say i'm not a star you can't have you got you and she goes you gotta have some oof about you i just love that like that's a this that's a phrase to live by it's like i have some oof about me like they can meet anything in any situation and it's the right thing and then she goes she goes don't just go to the mirror and say no i'm not at all that thank you very much so i'm not i'm not all that i'm not a star like yeah he'd be a star will be humble at the same time and she goes you and he goes you're saying i don't do a good job it she goes you do a good job at that but you gotta make sure you keep keep doing a good job of that and like those are like you know kinda like that's a seed that's been planted right and so gosh he's great so there's that one then there was like all these moments where alright the the importance of identity right so he says from the beat so at the time he's known as a great producer he produces the beats that jay z uses on his big blueprint album and people know him as that everyone loves him as a producer everybody wants him as a producer but he wants to be a rapper he was upset about he's upset and so he goes into this one he's in the hallway way at the record label which which by the way a lot of people forget do you realize how much he produced before he actually got famous that's kinda crazy artist it's pretty crazy like the big one was h of the right and there was like there's like dozens more i can't think of anything off the top of my head but there dozen more where you like wait you did that and he did it before he had his own thing yeah exactly exactly and he was great at it and then he's like he talks about he's like yeah people want my beats oh i how can i i get one can i get i a beat give me a beat he's like and then they then they hear my son and like oh i heard this where'd did you get he goes that's my shit i use that for me he's like he's like trying to like on one hand he needs to sell beats to pay for life but every time he does it's a step away from where he wants to be in a way like to be a rapper so he's in this hallway and the this guy's trying to hype him up because he's like oh you got the documentary crew so he puts his arm around him it's like the the the the managing director at at rockefeller fellow records and he's like you know this right here kanye west he's the best rapper producer in the game best rapper producer in the game period and the kanye is like kinda like upset hey he's like what and he goes why you guys say that man i like saying on the best kid rapper in the game he's it quiet me i say you're the best rapper producer in the game because i'm just a rapper if i'm the fiftieth best rapper just say he's the fiftieth best rapper don't call me the best rapper producing in the game that's wack all them a whack i'm not that i'm a rapper and like think about what's going on that moment right he's like fighting to get a record deal where most people are in desperation mode like they'll take what they can get and instead he's got this identity and the whole world is trying to pull them to just be a producer because that's what's in it for them like that's proven and that helps you know helps them make hits and you know why aren't you just happy pat on your head so you're a great producer and he has this identity in his head so strong that i think ninety nine people out of a hundred in his position would just become a producer because the whole world was pulling him in that direction and it was a faster the success and the money was there and the success was there and he didn't have to grind as hard as he did to try to prove himself as a rapper but he had in and his head no i'm a rapper and if i'm the fiftieth best rapper i'd rather be the fiftieth best rapper than the best rapper producer and i just it was such an example to me of like people will stay consistent with their identity and so you kinda gotta ask yourself like what is my identity like if i said sam what's your job sam what do you do right now my job is i pocket i just say what like who are what do you do for work what do you do for a living i'm a business person okay you're a business person so if all of a sudden i it doesn't matter what hubspot offers you like okay you're vest out your deal you that's great but let's say any company comes to you say saying we'd like to make you the vice president of marketing operations at biggest company in the world and you're gonna get this and that you're not gonna do it because it's not consistent with your identity you're like i'm a business entrepreneur yeah so yeah entrepreneur i can't be an employee if i'm an entrepreneur there's just not they're two separate things and like in the same way you know if you're not gonna do heroin because you're not you're somebody who doesn't do heroin you don't even have to weigh the pros and cons of it it's just really not a discussion for you it's not part of who you are it's not like i'm trying not to do it it's not i just i don't do that i do do this and i don't do that and so those lines you draw for yourself are so important on identity and i would argue so there's this book called four eight power have you read it no but i've heard of it alright it's awesome so he's got this one chapter where he says you always have to reinvent yourself and it gives a bunch of examples about that and the reason why you wanna reinvent yourself is the person who you can't peg down typically can become the most powerful because there's something about changing yourself that it does a couple things first this whole act as if thing it's real so if you like act like you're gonna be an expert artist or something and you work hard harder you can eventually become that it but you kinda gotta act as if second it kinda reinforces habit it so you say like no i'm a healthy person therefore i don't do unhealthy things and third it gives you this aura of mystery and people who have mystery surrounding them typically are powerful right and in the and there's a ton of good examples about this like a really interesting and easy one because she does it so clearly is lady gaga so like oftentimes she'll reinvent herself so at first she was this like kinda just normal like white lady plane on the piano if you see her like when she's a little bit younger then she becomes like this weirdo person where she like puts meat on her body then she transforms and becomes she starts playing jazz with tony bennett you're like what the heck lady i guys doing that what the hell is that now she's like just got done doing some acting and she was a great actor so like constantly reinventing themselves i think arnold sc has done a really good job with that was just yeah you just you've gotta reinvent yourself consistently and kanye has done that where he's actually changed himself and i think inventing reinventing yourself you actually need to make the decision to get be like i am this now i am this exactly that's you choose that identity and after a while then you could be like alright great i that season was this season had a beginning in the middle and now it's come to the end what's the next season of me and you can actually pick and choose what those inventions are and when i read that when i was a little bit younger that kinda changed my perspective on things when i went to the tony robbins event it was a perfect example of what you're talking about so he he tells the story he's like you know he's like yeah there was his kid i was working with i was kid i met and kid was overweight and he wanted to be fit but he was talking about all you know it's hard i'm working so hard on time to exercise blah blah then he's like he wanted to be in a relationship and we saw a woman beautiful woman i said we'll go talk to her then and he didn't wanna go talk to said well why would she want a guy like me i'm too young she looks older than me you know i don't have a good job she probably wants a guy you know who's got you know something going for i'm looking at my clothes i don't look good so he didn't wanna go talk to her so he he talks about all these aspects of his life his health his relationship his career it's like do wanna you're you're working as a bus boy right now at a restaurant do you wanna be going to doing i wanna be over there i wanna run that dealership over there you know i just why don't you go apply for it well why would they hear i got no college education right like coming up with all the reasons why like labeling himself all these identities that he's not right i'm overweight no college education too young too dumb too fat to whatever right and people do this all the time and so he's like he draw a he basically talks about the turning point for this kid he's like he drew a line and he said no experience like no experience what do you talk about yeah no experience yeah yeah i don't have i'm not stuck in all the old ways like all those other motherfuckers right like i got fresh ideas i got the energy of a young stallion i'm not like some fifty year old guy who who you know dragging into work every day i got no experience i got the best experience no experience right or like why would this woman wanna be with me rick because i got that you know he just turns it around like what's the truth is the truth that you have no experience or the truth that you have fresh ideas and young energy and you'll you'll hustle a harder than anybody else to prove to prove yourself because you have this is your your track record right and so he he does that for each one of the things and then it's like you know at the end it's sort of like you know that kid's me and he shows a picture of himself before and where he was living and how he was working and how he turned himself around that's good and he says in this thing he goes you know right now you guys see me on stage and i got this in i i have energy and confidence and i have all these like this inside of wisdom or all these things that people praise me for he goes that what people don't realize is i created this tony robbins motherfucker i created him and like and i just thought those was so powerful of a way of thinking like you can create that that thing you wanna be that that the ideal version of you you get to create that and the people who've done they just created it they chose that identity and then they just lived up to that day by day and like you know there's a the kanye is like a you know a great example of of like literally speaking it into existence he says a ton of stuff on their like people gonna know me without my last name it'll just be kanye at some point and he and i go ahead no go go for what when when i was watching that it also reminded me over this other thing and here's a really small example so you sean are you're you're i don't know what you are i i i don't create creative is one word but that's not the most effective word i would say your whatever it requires to be a good like storyteller and podcast host that's what you are so it's like a mixture of creativity performing and a bunch of other stuff and what i've come to accept is like so i always joke that sean is always like usually two minutes late he's usually always two minutes late to stuff and at first that made me angry it doesn't make me angry anymore now because what i know is in order to be good in order for you sean to be sean and be good at these things that means by nature you're gonna be the opposite of good at these other things right like that's just what that's just what it comes with like so like if you want someone like so it's like well you know you can't be this amazing athlete and have time to do all these other things like in order to be amazing athlete you gotta train all the time so like i just accept that like i want him to be good at this therefore i accept that maybe sometimes i'll just he'll just be two minutes late and when kanye acts like a crazy person online and he says all this crazy shit about kim kardashian and he types in all caps on twitter and shit people are like this guy's crazy like what's he doing and i was like well that's what we need being crazy is good like that's why we got all this gold and i love those crazy people and you and so what i've learned is like in order to be great you're gonna be messed up in some other in some other categories the the distribution thing i was talking about the beginning he said something just like this he goes like joe rogan gonna like you know what was it like you know what would your friends think or whatever he goes he's like a first friend just thought it was weird like nobody that wasn't a popular thing to make videos and then they just got sick of it because all i everyone wanted to talk about was making youtube videos they would ask me about other stuff or try to talk me about other this stuff i just didn't have any interest in anything else i was just obsessed with making great videos and it's all i wanted to think about and i remember there's a there's an interview with conor mcgregor it goes on bbc it's like one of the bigger like it's like not just like an mma guy covering connor asking about i was world or something like that i was go to an interview and they asked him some question or there was like some small talk you know about like about like the news or the game and he's like oh yeah you know both teams play hard and he just sent something generic and then the camera cuts his documentary cruise filming because i have no clue those teams are i don't follow any i don't i don't follow sport i don't follow news he goes i think because i don't know anything about anything and i don't wanna know anything about anything i just i'm obsessed with my with my craft i have lost my mind to my craft and i've seen that and so you know it's like this kind of inspiring thing that you see as like a common what are the common denominators of greatness you i wouldn't say you have to do anything because there's many ways to win but these these things do show up often right they sort of rhyme with success is like these are the obsession the sort of singular obsession with something or identity seeing yourself as big becoming something even when the rest of the world doesn't see it having that one believer like your mom right like so like i gonna say like the lessons from kanye which i think is what this episode is turning into like you know number one is like you know the power of that one believer like his mom number two is like the power of identity number three is is like so he has this moment where he goes some somebody said something they go they go you know do you think it's harder for you because you're from chicago and because you have this background as a producer so people don't take you seriously as rapper and he goes he just goes he goes the way i feel is anything that anybody ever tells me is a disadvantage i'm a make it my advantage and then he basically if you watch the documentary this exactly what he's doing he's like okay i'm pigeon hole as a producer well i'm a make the dope beats for myself and i'm gonna use my beats as currency so he's like yeah i supply beats to j z guess what i get j z to do a hook on my first album what she's not gonna do for like some random no name rapper but because i build this credibility i'm gonna i'm gonna use that as my currency or like he gets in this car accident and his jaw is wired shut and it's like i'm a turn that to my advantage how did he turn a disadvantage like for a rapper having a jaw wired shut through the wire he creates a song called through the wire wrapping about his time and then like you know the first line is like you know about drinking ensure or like you know other people make pancakes i just drink scissors but you know just the syrup because he can't eat solid foods right so he writes his hit song when he's got the broken jaw and he also says his other here he i was laying there i couldn't do nothing back there there's no no like cell phones or anything so he no the smartphones so he's just like saying sitting in the hospital doing nothing for seven days he goes i was laying there and i decided i'm gonna be the best dressed rapper in the game he's like because he's watching music videos so they they put music videos on there but they couldn't put the volume high so we couldn't like bump to the music we're just watching other rappers so he turned the disadvantage revenge which was he realized all these rappers dressed the same way and it's this one style i'm a dress fact then and that was a fashion rap billionaire you know and back then rap fashion was horrible it was just like it was like a basketball jersey and like baggy geez yeah it was the worst so he did a good job let me ask let me ask you a question quick we don't say their names because you might have to insult them but the three wealthiest people you know k what or is what around what do you think they're worth is each about the the ones like i know per like i know well like for somebody not just like somebody i've met yeah for somebody is like a friend who you know about some of their personality traits in their personal life where yeah i would say like somewhere between like three hundred million and seven hundred million i like i know them like i know about their like real life not just like the surface level so of those people how many of them have this trait of being obsessed and and to the point where if a normal person a non wealthy person saw their life they would be like dude your weird or the way that you're handling this is wrong you know you're you how how many would say something like that one hundred percent of one hundred percent of that what are what examples of yeah so one of them they worked so hard on their business they were so obsessed that like their family members used to come to the office and say you gotta come home like you just you're working too hard or afraid and when they sold their company like forty five days later they had like a heart surgery because they had like worked themselves that hard during that time another one i remember the day after they became worth over a hundred million dollars i was i knew them well that that same night they were up till three in the morning working on there their like new project that had like no no like less than a hundred customers and like clearly they'd already made it and it's like for them to stay up fixing bugs in this like test flight product that was you know a three in the morning that day like most people would be chilling hard for it going on a bender for a year like wired very differently third person they're not just obsessed in their work life they're obsessed with kind of anything so they they like it's like if they get into like some random hobby or sport they just take it to like a level that's not like common or like they're a hardcore gamer or they they just like get they're they to they have in an obsessive personality it's not just an obsession with worker or money that just happens to be the game that pays out in points called dollars and but they just can't obsessed with any game that like catches their catches their their their interest yeah that that rings for you to all the people i that i know do you have an example trying yeah so our our mutual buddy i i wonder if i could i'm not actually not gonna say his name so well i'll say it yeah i could say jack smith so the chair like he the building of a chair right that's that's an example well i'll give you a different so he's obsessed with if he buys anything he'll buy thirty of them and at his house i've seen it he's got a google spreadsheet he tracks every item in every category of thing that he's bought and he ranks it so if you ask him about chocolate he actually has a spreadsheet with literally a hundred pieces of chocolate he goes i tested all of them here's the best one that i think is the best when we got married my wedding gift from him was roughly a thousand dollars of stuff that he considered the best and it was so weird like the best socks the best underwear the best lotion and he's so obsessed with this that amazon multiple times has banned him from having an account and so he has to create different credit cards just to continue getting an account and he's up so he's just obsessed to its stuff right and he's he's incredibly wealthy and he probably got he probably got wealthy when he was twenty eight really young but he's just crazy obsessed with stuff to the point where like i i just i just that's i just accept that's he's just an odd ball right so yeah the that's one example so let me give you another one that i thought was kind of like one of the lessons the let let lesson number i don't know where we're on now less five from kanye close mouth don't get fed so i i don't know if you've seen this scene where he goes into he he kinda like just like he the there's like a point where like the the record label is not like paying for like the studio time because they're like you know they're they kinda like put them on the shelf they're like they're they weren't sure out they don't wanna put the money into like promoting them and getting them to record and all the so he's like pulling in favor some way somehow when he goes to like he he asked jamie fox who he's like made beats for before he's like hey i wanna come over oh you got the studio in your house y you mind if i just record something real quick and like boom uses the studio and then get gets jamie fox to do vocals and that becomes the vocals on one of his tracks jay i'll shop yeah slow so then this one with jay he gets into the studio with jay jay recording and he's like you'll you you might have her referee real quick and he's like yeah okay hey yes you know i'm not gonna say no and he just freestyle styles on the spot with no backtrack four j z to his face like a one on one like basically just rip one man fighting a poem to another man it's like kind of an amazing thing that's happening and then jay seemed him i'm like start to nod his head he starts to like he's like i like it he he lets him do a hook on jay he's like lets him do a verse on jay z track and then jay z says out loud in the studio he goes i had no idea he goes but he goes that just shows you closed mouth don't get fed and like and then the and then they catch on the documentary the guy coo they the recording guy he goes jay he's like leaving and could shoots his shot too he goes he goes oh man what do you think about kanye west and he goes a kanye west may he's he's got it he's gonna be big and he goes and then he goes he goes you think so he goes i'll put my money on it and he he walks out he does like the jay z laugh for walks out the studio and they capture that and they're like yes we got like basically in an endorsement from jay z that's gonna help us keep going and it's just one instance after another of like in the moment of truth he didn't sit around and wait he shot his shot and like you know close mouth don't get fed and i just think that's like how how did how did you remember all this did were you literally just with a pen and paper take my phone i i would write notes i just write like i'd write like literally says closed la because i misspelled it typing fast closed la don't get myth you don't get fed jay z and then i and i thought about it right like because because this this is on your on your iphone apps no app yeah note and and do you do this for all your all things like yeah i just have notes for everything like i have i have a thing called jokes and i'm like slowly building a a stand of comedy set over time like eventually i'll collect enough funny things i'm like i could be joke i'll put it there god i find that to be amazing i because i watched the same thing but you remembered so much more than i did i was just upset i was into it man i i i just so saw so many lessons and i i remember like there's so many moments of my life like i bet you have one two where which is like do you have a closed mouth don't get fed moment like just one jump to mind i'll tell you mine and and i i bet you you have one i probably have a few but i i i you know as you can expect because i got a big mouth i typically have always i've done a good job of speaking up with yours like when i was in college i at the time i thought i was gonna be a doctor i was pretty mad i took the mca i was ready to graduate and go to med school and just fun i took a blow off class the easiest class offered on duke campus was called getting rich and obviously that changed the direction of my life in one of the classes so the teacher was basically she would bring in somebody who had made it in some world and they would come and just talk to us so this guy was a was this the most popular you told me about this was the hardest class to get into because it was like highest highest rated of ea of fun and like the on rate my professor dot com that that professor had a chili pepper next to her i mean she's still she's saying so it was like all all the the high scores so i got in and and i was sitting in class one day and there the guy was a hedge fund guy i think and he was talking about his career he's like enough about me like what about you guys who's doing something cool who's who's who's got a business that they're trying to trying to who's got a business that they're that they're running or who's got a business they wanna launch and he started looking around the class he basically scanned from left to right he goes pitch me like that's what i do i invest so so pitch me hey lives from less left right know witness crickets nobody's you know you never seen quieter group of smart people and nobody's nobody's the hand i'm at the very edge of the class on the so i kinda had the advantage i a moment to like assess the fork in the road yeah and the the night before me and my friends had had that dumb idea for why isn't there a chipotle for sushi oh do we can make that like it was a chipotle on campus and we want there's a there's was subway on campus and we we wanted to build a version of that fast casual thing for institution i thought was a funny idea and i've been pitching it at that i four to my friends where i was safe and now here was this guy saying pitch me an idea and nobody's saying shit and then i had this thing in my like backed to identity i this thing which was like you know you're the cool kid or something not the i i mean i definitely wasn't cool in school but i just felt to myself like i'll take the shot i'll take the shot like your basketball terms like if in the moment of in the clutch moment i'm not gonna be afraid to shoot i might miss but i'm not afraid to shoot and so i did it i raised my hand and he goes alright finally what you got and i pitched the idea he goes that's a terrible idea he's just like blu me off and like but he's like but gonna let me tell you like he's like even if you go and do that and he like gave us lesson which was like this is america like it's the only country on earth where you get rewarded for failing like you can go fail at a business and people will give you positive credit for trying he's like most countries that's is not how it works and he goes it goes you know the other thing is a lot of guys might wanna work at a hedge fund someday or investment bank or whatever guess what the first three four year your resume is all gonna look the same it's only the bottom the other section that's gonna have anything different between you and the next kid who also was on a roll student did good on the sat and then and graduated with three three five gpa so like that's the only way that you're gonna get differentiated so you go do your sushi restaurant it'll lead you you know it it it'll help you in what you wanna do even if it fails and that's like pretty much exactly played out this was a good conversation because of how much you care i i thoroughly enjoyed this i just i barely said a word but i enjoyed it do think bed i it's so i evident when one of us is like incredibly passionate about the topic yeah what do you guys feel that like is the kanye pod in the zeitgeist like do you think that most of your friends are watching it right now everyone knows what it is i think i think a lot of people are watching it like i i've talked to maybe like i don't know a six you know one of the big things on netflix this it's always like you're watching the thing on netflix that's at the top yeah like i yeah wait ben you you're you haven't seen it i have seen it yeah i watch that yeah i think that like i'm i'm only one of us who finished it actually i watched the the the third part is is not as good as as the first two though so you got the first part was great so have you are you guys watching euphoria no but i've i've seen i've seen a couple episodes at the beginning dude that's shit got me shook you gotta watch that like yeah apparently it's your parent like it's just like yeah nightmare scenario well it's this this lady what's her name she's like half white half black zed dahlia or something za day it she just knocks it out the park man this girl is so freaking good it just it was it was wonderful acting she killed it i was really i sarah and i both cried watching it oh and that's got like a bunch of seasons right like two or something too okay yeah i think too you gotta watch that it's so good man this lady such a good actor and why you ask you to sit a zeitgeist guys so you you think it's not or why it yeah i just like i would think that it would kinda reach like maybe not tiger king because that was like a phenomenon but i was hoping because i loved it so much that this documentary would be like the thing on netflix and i was that's true that like a third of my friends have seen it that's true it's not like as popular but his craziness is pop like the whole thing that he's doing with that with the guy who's dating and kim what's the what's the name pete davis david davidson that thing is like even that's because that's kinda overs it yeah that could be right his crazy is coming out hard i think part of the reason i liked it is of the reason it's not like getting that big which is essentially for the first episode for the first part he just like has old footage of kanye and kinda just lets it run like a little bit of narration and it's so it's not that much of like a a narrative story arc that sucks you in he just kinda like lets you be a fly on the wall ben knowing what you know you had a podcast called raising a genius is it possible to raise a genius like i i i didn't you're you're i i didn't like that podcast because he didn't do the best job of like just tell me the answer so like i listen is it also he did get tell the answer but i feel like it was too narrow was like the guy raised three chess champions okay i get that you can raise a chess champions play chess yeah does that mean you can raise a genius or that you can out practice people at a game of chess right like you know so i think those are two different things well so can he can't can't can the encouragement that donna whatever don west can the incur encouragement that she gave him be a huge factor or a small factor i think it's a factor the pulled method this guy last po ga had a very specific method and i don't think it would work all that well for wrapping because it is oriented towards like outcome driven like it'd be good for raising like a guitar player or a chest champion or a swim or like those kind like very discreet you can teach people exactly or a tennis player would be really good but like a rapper or something more creative i don't know if you can like it's almost like if it's creative it has to come from within you can't have someone else come out and like try and raise it but do you think that that her encouragement of him made him confident or he was born confident i think watching that documentary he was crazy to see some of the manner that were the same between her and kanye was like oh there's something genetic about this like yes it was her encouragement but it's was also like whatever he has he kinda got from her probably would it had it anyway i read this book called the blueprint gene and it kinda changed my opinion where like eighty five percent of everything is genetics that's kinda where i am now i'm like even if she was a rude to him maybe he still would have killed it dude but she was rap she was good i she just like reciting his rap well yeah my mom would not be able to do that if she wasn't she she was in english cheaper clearly she was interested i mean it's very related and also he said he's been like making beats since like six or seventh grade like eleven or twelve and so it's the same sort of thing it's like yeah by the time you're twenty five you're gonna be really fucking good at something you've been doing for like over you know over ten years basically at that point and at like a formative stage where you know when you're twelve and you get obsessed with something you can kind of just like do it pretty much nonstop and get really good at something because you could pick stuff up so fast you don't have any other things to go do right now that it was a good documentary there was it got me thinking a lot that that was a good that was a good one i'm just not gonna i just i couldn't watch the rest because i i knew she was gonna die and it and it was i was being it made me sad just watching them together it may i got i choked up a couple times seen them together yeah it was she was was like touching yeah yeah she was the third part is like kinda interesting because it goes it's like a twenty year time and then goes into like a lot of stuff he's going through now and kind of the weirdness and running for president and like all of that and like at the end coo he's just kinda like yeah man i don't know pretty weird you know like he doesn't really have anything to say about it he's just like kinda baffled as well dude did comes to the territory that's what i was when you're in your creative band you that you're gonna be crazy you gotta accept the crazy this he's so crazy do you remember when he went to trump's office to show his version of air force one like he's he like drew up with air force what should look like he's he's a he's he's a genius alright that's the episode