Shaan Goes to LA, The Number 2 Guy Network and Getting Bucked Up

he'd just come back to it we're talking about a whole different topic he's like big o tires really you could just own twelve big o tires and that's it he would just come back with you example of one of these like shitty brick and mortar chains that are like you know so easy sweaty cash flow business i feel like i could rude where i know i could be what i want to from at all in it like a days on go alright we're gonna start the pod but before we we have an announcement we are looking to hire a new producer this producer is gonna be the person who sits live on these podcast podcasts helps us edit them and make the videos and podcast popular helps us get guests so we're hiring do we're hiring i i almost call them a band manager it's like you know the band manager's job is to make sure that the band blows up right and so this podcast has grown a lot it's time that we find somebody who wants to take it to the next level booking amazing guess helping us brainstorm great content segments and be like guys people love it when you do the blue color side hustle let's make sure we hit those every week and you know keep us on our a game make the audio the video tighter make the youtube channel better make it pop we want somebody who's great at this ideally we hire somebody who's already a fan of the show and is looking to basically hang out with us a few times a week see how we operate loves making great content loves getting content made and has the i don't know like kinda like the taste and the skills to put out a great content product and that's what we're looking for so if that's you you could reach out you can email me it's sean at sean p dot com so s h a a n at s h a n p r i dot com and i'll forward it to our team over at helps hubspot that is that is vetting and interviewing and everybody so we're gonna hire somebody this next few weeks and it's a full time position if you're an amateur you've never done this before you maybe you'll get notice but you have to be really good we're not looking for people who are trying to take huge risk on we're trying to look find people who are the best we've already had hundreds of people apply so we really want the best people out there if you've never done this before you could still throw your throw your your resume out there and try to impress those but make sure you do that if you've already been there done that that that's awesome too so check it out email sean sean at sean dot com alright let's get to the pod alright you're ready a greatest show ever done a lot of people have we got a lot of good comments on the last show people verse saying someone asked me an interesting question they go your guy's cadence is really good you guys you talk really fast and it feels quickly and then someone said do you do something to one another because we're sean and i are remote do you do something to one another to let each other to know that it's your turn to speak and i was thinking i think we just have we just know each other all enough that we know how to do it but there is something that we each do at least i pay really attention to you when you do it and i try to give you the signal which is you open up your mouth when you want to say something and then this you let it sit open for a minute do you know what it mean the zoom hack because you're like you're like and the little is without the without the sound is basically just said now but you know because on the recording they're not gonna see it so it's a silent signal whereas if you're doing that in person it'd be a little like strange but yeah it definitely works the hard one is during interviews because during interviews the guest is talking we don't know when they're gonna stop they're opening up like probably a bunch of like paths you could go down like oh they mentioned three things they say it was really hard then they said they met a guy who who was the guy and they said that it really changed the perspective but how what did it change and so you're like and then we don't know who's gonna go we're both pretty ins curious i have a bad habit of just like talking too much in general in life and so then it's like we don't know which path we're gonna go and we don't know who's gonna decide so a team interview i think is really hard it's it's very that's very hard the interviews are easier in person but what we do is this now with just us i think it's way easier on zoom because i've gotten so used to it also i've recorded in studios like you have done lately you're gonna talk about your trip in la i cannot stand when there's a third party there because i'm constantly trying to entertain her like the the like the person there but yeah we it what people don't see is we do a good job of opening our mouths just a little bit so the other person knows when it's done pro tips for everybody yeah that's what you learn after three years of a an intense podcasting one of the top ranked business podcasts in the world that you don't get these kind of insights anywhere else no oh my god someone was like you guys are so fast paced i'm like yeah it wears me out i usually always take like a twenty or thirty minute nap i just closed my eyes and lay down in this couch that guy's definitely just listening to us on two x and he's like wow these guys are strange you know he doesn't know he hit the button on his app so you just went to la last episode i asked you about it you said i'm gonna do a whole thing where i tell you about it i love these things because you're very absorbent you you you are you have great observations and you don't ever leave your house so when you do your extra you're at you have great observations boyd meets world and the the thing about you is you've got like a child's like all of the world because like you're so sheltered and you live in such a bubble and so you say these things that i'm used to but i love just hearing it anyway a so far back here call it one of the finest is yes all those things are true there used to be a website back of the i don't know you remember i don't know if it's still up pro is little big details did you ever see this website no and it's a great little blog it's a tumblr blog actually that's like tumble not even around anymore but what they did was those two thousand seventeen they would just it's like a swipe file so they would just capture any example of like a small thing that a company did well so like on a google doc it on a google doc when you go to share it and you don't name it it just takes the first line of what you spoke about and it makes that the title of the google doc as opposed to just naming it un title document yeah exactly or like it says on google if you google the word ke every word that shows up in the results has a large amount of ke right like the the the font or it'll be like you know the error like the four zero four page of this site instead of just saying error has this really fun if i can poem or whatever it is and so i love this website i love the name little big details i love the site because it just gave me a bunch of inspiration went back in the day when i was like more of like a pm product designer type guy but third little big details are the secret of life right i've said this before it's the moments in between the moments like it's not the big moments that matters it's the moments in between those moments that matter this is the product version of that it's like here's the little things i remember the first time i use slack and our designer typed a hex code they're were like oh it's gonna be color you know number eight eight three three four four f and then it just it automatically swapped that to the color swatch so we could see it area added the color swatch to it in line right and we were just like what the like it was a mic drop moment and our and our every like our design team was like okay i fuck with this product like they like somewhere in this a designer was like you know it'd be cool it'd be cool if you could actually see the preview of the thing because nobody knows what these numbers mean like i don't even know how they did it with the emoji size thing and it was just like a little big detail and there was a bunch of those with a great with great products like slack that that kind of like i we were in the first hundred users of slack or something and so it was very clear that like this thing might become a thing because the care that they took miss so anyways the things i wanna talk about the la trip they're not the big moments it's not oh i'm met with this famous person and here the the groundbreaking insight i tried to find a bunch of the little big details a bunch of the moments to between the moments i think we're interesting in their own way this is for two reasons one i don't really wanna brag or i can't really talk too much about the people i met in what they said because it'd be kind of airing out you know those private meetings but two i think there's just a lot of interesting stuff in these or at least i think there could be so i wrote down a bunch of very vague but slightly intriguing bullet points and you could pick but i will say here's the structure so i go to la with ben business partner ben we do three things so we here's the daily schedule morning is basically meetings in a workout that was the goal midday was typically recording a podcast live in person with someone that we admired respected or thought was really cool and then the evening was always a dinner with kinda like founder friends who were almost always people who had sold their companies hold one or more companies in the past and we did that for five days straight so we would leave the house at eight am we would get back around midnight and crash and then do it all again the next day oh my god and for me who's someone who's almost always at home on it i have two little kids that are under the age of you know four years old so you know i'm on a kids schedule typically this was crazy but what was was an awesome was an awesome experience so now take it away alright so you have a list of maybe twenty things i bold about half of them that in in intrigued me i wanna learn about big company ceos talking about laundromat mats alright so this is the story we're out at one other the kinda of like after dinner just like let's go hanging at this other place so we're hanging at this other place and it's me it's business part of ben and it's our buddy suing and we're hanging out and ben goes hey that's so and so and we looking for like i i don't even i don't recognize the name or the face i'm like what are you talking about he's like we did a call with him two years ago and i was like what he's like yeah he him zoom call for like twenty minutes with that guy he intro us to this guy other guy and i was like i don't i mean i can't for the life of me remember this guy just and this guy by the way doesn't remember us either right like he doesn't recognize us either ben he's got like freaking the like you know what china has the facial recognition software that this running at all times using ai yeah ben has has that this happens like five or six times during the trip he would see someone walking by be like that's that girl from twitter like what you done this and so he does it he's like hey blah blah blah blah and they're like surprised he's like hey it's ben we talked two years ago on his gym call for twenty minutes and he's like i think you see the guy kinda like doesn't really know what's going on they're having there so we merged dinners wait did you really yeah we use merge hangouts their crew was awesome so they're their best friends from business school they went to harvard of business school together one of them runs one of them is now ceo of a public company i can't say which one but he's it's such a funny guy so assuming multi billion multi billion dollar company yeah over one billion dollars so we're hanging out and this guy who's the ceo of a multi of of a multi billion dollar company at the moment he goes he's like yeah he he was like oh you do a podcast what's a podcast oh what is called oh yeah i'll check it out right and he kinda like he's like one of those people that's like busy actually doing something so he's like what's kind of detached from like the world of like twitter and podcast podcasts and like content creators and all the stuff but as we're talking he's like oh you know one thing i did see what's with all these like entrepreneurs who own laundromat mats and hvac and shit yeah the they're just buying laundromat mats they're just making like a million dollars a year we're owning a laundromat like what what is this they can't be true he's like this is he's like he's like this either this is not true and they're lying or this is true and what the hell are we all doing why don't we all owning like fifteen laundromat he's like it's it could only be one of two situations and we have this hilarious conversation with his guy but there's not a third situation of it is true and it's kinda stupid no he was like if it's true that these things are as you know sort of simple and cash flow as pop as they sound why would we all not just on fifteen of these and call it a day and he's like and if it's not true why the hell are they talking about it like it is and i just thought it was so funny because it was like smart person it's kinda like when you if you took a really healthy person to like a grocery store and walk through the snack aisle they'd be like so this is all just sugar you'd be like well yeah was like so all the kid's food is sugar and then all the adult food is like sugar and salt like what you eat this but wouldn't you just eat normal food and you're like i mean i can't defend it it's just the way i know was just what it is that's how he was talking about like entrepreneurial content that he's run into on on social media just like in passing while he's like trying to like go see friends photos he's like why is this entrepreneur telling me that they make so much money so easily doing something so so do so stupid and hands off he's like it's either not hands off it doesn't make that much money or we are all idiots and because it is hands off and makes that much money and i just thought it was such a like it was so funny the way he was ranting about it and he was just like kept and then every fifteen minutes during the conversation he'd be like he'd just come back to it we we're talking about a whole different topic he's like big o tires really you could just own twelve big o tires and that's it he would just come back with you example of one of these like shitty brick and mortar chains that are like you know so easy sweaty cash flow business i went through this period so i was public about this i bought property to do an airbnb because i was like you know let's see if i'm interested in that and what i've learned is exactly what that guy feels which is if you can make money on the internet or like through content or software or something like that the business is so much better you can create a huge amount of money from nothing right you need nothing except you gotta work on it with real estate and laundry message shit you make we're talking like single digits if you're really lucky tens of thousands of dollars a month in profit and it's a pain in the butt man it is so hard and you have to have a ton of money to do it like it it it's quite challenging so i understand now i'm like oh my god like i i have the skill set this is so stupid to do this other thing when this other when this internet thing is so much easier i feel i i totally understand what he's saying and so the the other great story this guy told so try to do this without giving me to too much info so he you know he takes over sc ceo of this company he wasn't the original ceo he becomes he gets hired as sc ceo or or become ceo and now this company has like it's like has big scale but it's not profitable so the stock who is getting kinda hammered and the company wasn't doing so well because it's not profitable and so there's all these theories so if you if you just listen to like the pun bits they would be like it's a category problem like this category can't be profitable because of abc b c they're sort of like it's a more like they're all theo about it and they made it sound like it's just a law of physics that it's just not gonna work bad category like like like like grocery delivery yeah like fifteen minute grocery delivery or whatever right yeah and so that was if you just listen to the smart pun debts you would have just been like well impossible and if you listen to the original team they'd be like you know like yeah it's we're working on it like no you're not dude it every single customer we lose we lose money every time someone buys from us don't you recognize how big of it issue this is like how did you let this go on for this long this way and he's like okay so first act is as ceo he goes to like the kind of like let's say the place where the the kind of product is is is developed or made like it has like a real world product it's like a it's a it's a business that's like tech enabled but it has like a real world world component yeah similar to like an uber or a like airbnb has like you know there is the physical place so the guy goes and he's like we're like what do you do and he's like i just sat there i just sat i got a chair and i sat down in the middle and i just watched for eight hours straight he's like i just looked i looked at what was going on i had no pre judgments i said let me just watch what's actually happening here how is it that we are losing so much money for every order that we get every customer that we get we lose money how is this possible aa just sits there he watches he watches and he's like oh okay i see we got too many people doing too little shit and the manager is not doing what they're supposed to be doing and so he's like i like that got you're outside for half the time and therefore this person is not doing what they're doing and these three people are all trying to do the same thing he's like i didn't have to like like it wasn't a theoretical problem and it wasn't an inevitable problem it was just a everybody's too distance from the thing problem everybody nobody just sat here for eight hour straight and just watched what the hell is actually going on and and they told the story how they actually turned it around now it's profitable and like so on and so forth and so i think that's all i can say without giving too much way but i just love this guy i love the story the two things that he that he set out loud was the like hey wait wait pause time out time out we can all own big o tires and and call it today like so if it's that easy we should be doing it if it's not that easy screw those people for saying it and secondly he's like i'm just gonna go a sit for eight hours and watch and just really get to a first like a like a a clear understanding of what is actually happening before we come to any other conclusions will you ever do one of these things so i i dip my toes in it and and my thing like it's on paper it's successful it's just like it's just it's emotional baggage what what do you think about yours or are you ever going to do anything like that you mean a business that has real world sweat ness yeah yeah yeah like for our eco com we ran our own warehouse for a while said that was like you know ultimately my problem if it if things were wrong and i spent many weekends you know like breaking down know pallet and reorganizing the warehouse and making it work and looking at the numbers and be like why is this person's you know maybe we should measure their rates and like this guy's picking eighty products per hour and this one's is picking forty is it a person thing or is this guy is lazy or what's going on like and just dealing with all those issues you know one guy threatened to kill another guy today at work alright there's nothing in the handbook for that you know this doesn't make me money but i think you can lose me about you really have that incident you had that incident gotta call all those hey just one guy just threatened to kill the other guy like what should i do like it was a kind of a serious threat he's mad like i don't think he's gonna do it but he did yeah in front of everybody and i was like well i think you gotta fire that guy right now and i don't know why you're on the phone with me and then the other person like why are they why does that guy i wanna kill him what did do he do instead like you know can we just replace all these people with somebody else you know it was a it was not a if there's there's it's a very hard thing right is hard like getting warehouse cruise that are happy productive and kind you know and and reliable is not like a thing for anybody i have a friend who runs at e commerce store and they go i'm shutting down my warehouse took tomorrow like where can i move we're like oh what happened what happened he is someone just shit all over the floor in the warehouse for no reason you like what did he do she go she what did she why did she do i was like wow just for a woman to just shit on the floor in a warehouse he's like what what happen what what take was it a was it a spike shit or was it an accident shit i mean they matters i was it like asked all the wrong questions apparently because i didn't i didn't ask that one i had ten questions but that was one well what about the nba player alright nba nba a player so we need an nba player in la this isn't my story i wasn't there for this but then related to me it was very funny he's like you talked about like yes so is it it's kinda like what do you say to these guys right so like they get a bunch of fan boys and you don't wanna be a fan in general i would say there's was really two learnings the first was we go to this thing there's a bunch of nba players but who cares and like you know they're cool i i think they're cool i think they're cool what they do but like this event you know it's like it's hard to like what do you do they're they're not gonna be your friend like this like very unlike like what do you think is gonna happen here like you go in excited it's versus gonna hear you know what they're thinking you know what they're thinking which is like damn sean you're pretty tall you ever lace up like you know we we we need we need a fish like are you interested like that's what you want to happen right yeah exactly it's like we we've been waiting for this you know this indian guy with no athletic system i'm like you know would you like to become my best friend and come on the road with us like you know what what's like meeting drake and be like hey you're really like really good at speaking dude you happen to have a mixtape tape on you that i can check i wanna just i wanna get the get studio real quick yeah that's a that's how you want to happen so you're i think the realization was we got excited to go to this event but it's also like cool this event is cool but that's not gonna happen nothing's gonna happen that's awesome from this event in that way two things happened we need a team owner again ben runs facial recognition software like that guy's a minority owner of the philadelphia seventy six years or something like that and i was like how do you know the minority owners of this he's like i recognize recognized him from something i ran and i was like and nobody's talking to this guy because nobody knows this all kinda like older looking dude so we go up to them we're like hey you're blah blah normally when ben does this the person is so el that somebody kinda knows them that you're a fan of theirs they're nobody's talking to them otherwise they're kind of like they know they're actually pretty dope but nobody at the event knows their dope this is the opposite this guy just totally big dogg and made us seem like we were pieces of shit so we're like oh cool i asked you ten questions you gave me exactly ten words as answers so one word per question and you left your airpods in the whole time and then you looked at us at the end like if you ask one more question i'm gonna find it slap you yeah so we that we had that started and walked away and then we had the basketball player experience where ben takes a foot like oh look i got the photo with this like famous nba player and i we had a realization the realization was this it's dope if these guys were our friends but it's not gonna happen this way the only dope situation is not that we meet them and we're a fan of them and we they recognize us as a fan but that they're a fan of what we do and we're a fan of what they do that's the only cool version of this is do something dope so that they have respect for you as you have respect for them so you should actually spend your time instead of chasing them to meet them and get a picture with them and whatever just do dope shit become a magnet where other people who are awesome will respect to you and wanna meet you and wanna talk you or or have something that they you know some common ground that they could find peer versus fan yeah so like showing them your calves was not gonna like cut it like oh like i run a five four forty does that do anything for you can you jump high can you jump high those cab are like a great yeah i i wear i wear a fitbit we have so much to comment so okay next thing was every like right we're we're some so i have nothing to lose at this point so we're like so like what's it like just like having you know tons of chicks that wanna be with you like how do you do that i didn't navigate that he's like because we're like you know he's got he's like i got a wife like got kids and he's like he's like i told my wife i said this i is have somebody has that voice u yeah i'm in only good things come after that tone because i said baby you're happy right yeah i'm happy maybe you got the house of dreams right yeah yeah maybe i gave you three beautiful children right it's sure sure the beautiful children because maybe you could buy anything you want on this credit card right yeah yeah yeah maybe you got to be called my wife right i what more do you want baby hey what more do you want i just had it out open conversation with my wife that like look you're gonna have a bunch of amazing things in your in your life and so am i and i thought oh my god i hate that by the way i hate that of of course you hate that i mean it's it's not necessarily something that's admirable just saying it was something that was fucking hilarious and nobody's is that honest and i thought wow to have the the honesty to tell a stranger that story is a confidence level that i could only admire the you know do i do that with my wife no of course what i want to even it now oh i do it with my wife except it's a little bit different it's like hey sarah look you know if someone comes in this home i'm gonna go and fight to the debt to protect you right whatever you want i'll give you i'll do anything for you take out the trash please that usually it's more like that it's like will you be the one who takes out the the the dishwasher shirt today let you do it this week and tomorrow when someone breaks into our home i'll die for you normally it's normally that's the argument that i've made yeah yeah yeah these are all not great traits i would say but i thought it hilarious this falls in mind with just a general thing which was people in la say wild shit like people know right or so like name drop and muddy drop it's disgusting isn't it but they're not even really even aware of it it's crazy like they'll be like is made up example but the like yeah yeah we can meet at my place it's over on you know beverly and whatever it's a four point two million dollar property like well whoa what what did you add that at the end like completely unnecessary information complete brag out of nowhere and i just kept getting sides by brag as i was walking through la just oh sir you dropped this oh that's oh that's a producer you know yeah that's the name okay here you go take that like i couldn't believe it and i think s f is obnoxious san francisco exclusives is obnoxious in its own way which was you'll be like oh i'm gonna eat dinner they're like dinner is you know actually a unnecessary study show say what dude i just wanna eat dinner like don't like make me like we don't to like be trans right now like you know we don't have to like like not everything has to be a thing or like you know we don't to use ai to like you know go get a smoothie right now but like you you know so san francisco is obnoxious in its own ways but the la version of being obnoxious i found to be very strange yeah i it it makes me really uncomfortable whenever i'm there it's it it every every city is a dick measuring contest but the type that they measure in la i like the ruler is right and in san francisco is yeah how ambitious are you right no you say the craziest thing you're working on no you say the crazy investment you just made it's like it's an ambition contest and new york is like some power contest and la is basically like a fame a fame contest or a network contest like who do you know and who knows you when i when my wife used to work at facebook one time facebook rented out the baseball stadium at and t park and i remember going there and we wore nice clothes like a suit jacket or whatever but then the engineers would wear it was like a contest to see who could look the most sc so it would be like one guy wearing a tuxedo t shirt it's like oh i see it's like you're ironic that's funny and then another guy would be like just only wearing pajamas and bur stock right or another guy like only pajamas but like dress shoes so it's like oh it's cute you make a joke like how you think that that means you're dressing up get it i get it you're like a brilliant guy you're einstein and that's the type of contest that you would see there whereas an la it's like land rover range rover and fancy cars and everyone has beautiful white teeth and like have you noticed that here there the teeth in that v veneers listen yeah what about it veneers were i don't know just it was a blind spot for me i didn't even know what the hell veneers were didn't know who do know how you get them dude i went down the rabbit hole i went on youtube for like three hours what are these things do you like drill each tooth so it's almost looks like a spike and then you like put up these fake things on there and glue them on there so your teeth are like ruined i i believe like they're they're changed forever they aren't they shave them down i think the bad version is when they really shave too much and it becomes like a little spiked and you look like a little baby teeth i think the good version is they just take a layer of the enamel and then they basically glue a fake tooth front onto your thing and you it looks all like a decade and then you i get them switched and you have these pearly when they look off all the teeth they they look like barney keith remember barney that they puppet or the like it was just like one strip of white yeah i think the good version because i was like again i went down the rabbit hole was like the good doc makes them look like they're your teeth and not just like the generic thing but i said it really like like la i was like kind of enamored by this v veneers thing and i okay i i figured it out there's only two types of people in the world people who have veneers and people who need veneers because like once you see people who don't have veneers almost everyone's teeth are pretty pretty nasty like most people's teeth they're kinda yellow kinda you know miss shape and whatever the people generally don't have teeth and the people who do have ears so there's only two types of people in life this is now my belief people who have ears or people who need them i'm currently in the people who need them category and maybe who knows i'll go to do but but for some reason tell me this plastic surgery like i don't think you or i would ever be like you know what just i wish my eyebrow i was little higher up or whatever you know like dude i wish my i'm not nose was a little different the cool thing about being a man is like older men can be like pretty smoking to women you know like george clooney is like a fine wine you know what i mean like people still like brad pitt still look smoking my wife's has been trying to convince me that like botox for women is okay because she'll talk about like botox and i'm like no if that just age you look beautiful like it's cool that we're gonna age together then i met a couple people who get botox and they're like it's not that big a deal so maybe by opinion this changing on botox but in general i would say plastic surgery i'm like let it be let's age together and we're gonna look off so i'm generally pretty against that v two totally was in that camp as i met more people i'm like it's way more prevalent than i realized because i'm gonna dude tech bubble so it's way more prevalent than i realized and secondly there's something like i kinda get the teeth thing it's like it's like there's there's grades to it right it's like well you do get a haircut do you know maybe shave your beard alright might buy nicer clothes okay that's that's the thing like you what if you just like you know get the get like a a facial treatment maybe that makes you skin look looks a little bit better okay it's like a kind of like a almost like a slippery slope of of the beauty thing and like yeah but what did you see there like fake asses and fake boobs or stuff on men everything dude everything saw everything men with botox you know fake everything everybody's nose was had the same nose so that was insane the power of v veneers i was like yes alone it's pro it's a pleasure to make you laugh because i like seeing that smile no don't fall down this trap do not do it man do not so i might show up to one of these podcasts with the veneers and i job who knows we'll see what about the thing and and or like i i don't if i you this i have a like a deviate septum i went to ent person i was like yeah i don't know i never ever been able to breathe through my nose very well and they're like yeah because you have like a super screwed up thing like it's like horrible and he's like you should get that fixed i was like okay cool i was like does that change how my mind then they're like what looks well yeah they're like while we're there what's the he's it doesn't have to change how it looks but like we're doing the surgery anyways it's very easy like you know just shape it and i was like but does that make me lame and he's like that's a personal question like i said i was like what do you think it's said like if i did that what i have to tell my boys i got a nose job like what do are you like tell to like you're like doctor am i kids i was like i i need a three sixty opinion here on this like you can't just hit me with the med i need the medical the personal the social like i need all the opinions he's gonna diagnose you would be to do yeah he's i will go if you if be beers like you know alright maybe last one but what about the rich did you meet with someone who donated a hundreds of millions of dollars show high school yeah so rich people do really stupid things is the name of my my of this topic which is actually they do misguided things to help their kids so i met multiple people who had donated somewhere between single digit millions to double digit millions one person said a hundred million plus well i i don't believe it because we're i don't even know a high school go to a high school i'll give you one i'll give you one fame where would even ten million ago to you one public example which is that you know the fort brothers the guys who owned the before they sold it the guys who own casinos in vegas they their kids like to play football as many kids do but unlike many football parents these guys decided that their the high school their alma mater needed a like a a division one college level football facility and donated tens of millions of dollars they haven't said the exact number but you can kinda triangulate it because they later donated like ten or fifteen million bucks to a college and it's less than what they gave their high school for their football phone like god and it's like basically they gave at least twenty million dollars to a high school to build a better football facility so their kids would have a better shot at becoming a better football player and i was like this is such a misguided way such a like inefficient way to help your kids and i bet many people like this i know people who are wealthy beyond measure and i asked them why why are you still working like so many hours what are doing why you taking all this wrist like okay like my dad when i wanted to be a entrepreneur said you're never gonna do it and he refused to give me any money to start start so i struggled so hard at the beginning when my kids turn eighteen i'm gonna give them each twenty million dollars and say like you know i will support you in building any business you want with that you know someone who said that this their literal plan they're like and they're saying it bragging to again crazy brag how are their kids to me their kids are currently their oldest maybe ten years old and their youngest is four so they have four kids that's eighty million dollar you know allowance that they're they're create trust the trust fund that they're getting creative with the kids to start these business and i i told him i was like well you know that like because you didn't have the resources you developed all these skills which is what made you successful in business like you weren't if you were handed twenty million dollars i don't think you would actually be who you are today so i i love that you're trying to help your kids but i just don't think what you're doing which is working super hard when their kids being so busy being busy that you're kind of away from them making all this money that you plan to hand them at eighteen like i this sounds like a recipe for disaster but you know people it's a horrible drug out so you i don't think that message was was received very well but you know i i just found that people do crazy things in the name of of like their cans and money no i think that that's crazy i think that's exactly how you create like let bit a future heroin tell you a couple other ones i think are good talk to an investor friend so i have a friend who was a vc at one of the big vc firms he's left he left and start doing his own thing but he has a style and a strategy i think it's very different than most people i find it very fascinating so if i asked you i said what's what is like draw me like a picture of the typical silicon valley vc like can you just describe some things about them like you know what what are they like what are they doing you know like the the average vc let's say average vc a a a tall looking white guy who wears a sweater and brown shoes or shoes that have white sole like white bodies and they basically meet tons and tons of people of tons of coffee meetings yeah tons of coffee meetings lots of introductions from other people who come from really amazing universities and they'll pass on most of them but then they'll invest like fifty to a hundred companies smallest ish checks and then never hear from they don't really talk to the founder often unless things are going really bad and they bitch out yeah exactly they say they're gonna be value add they invest in dozens maybe forty fifty companies over their lifespan of like a couple years they're taking tons of coffee meetings they're super agreeable they're only kinda smile and say nice things to your face typically they cast a wide net they're they'd love going to meet mark networking event they'll say that like we're a founder first founder first we're founder friendly we invest in world changing ideas yeah all of them all of them only invest in the best somehow every single vc only invest in the best they they do all those things this is an investor friend that has a twitter egg profile picture they go to know networking events that are like vc run and and or like kind of generic founder events they do go to random events that are like oh i'm going to this bio hacker meetup in downtown oakland where people are gonna like shoot themselves up with dna it's like okay i'll go to that like they go to those types of events they have a strategy which is basically here's what he told me he goes every year one company becomes like kind of the center of the universe and my job is to have invested in that company three years ago and i go wow okay like so what did you give me examples he goes well like you know back when me met i'm at this in twenty twelve or twenty thirteen they were like you know stripe was actually the center of the universe at that time stripe was the company that like was the clear breakout recently he's like most recent ones last year would have been open so open before kinda like our like kinda early chat g or before releasing chip t three right now i go right now who is right he goes oz oz is the center of the josh right now and i was like oh interesting so not just like tech companies when i last time i talked to this person was maybe three years ago in in earnest and i was like so what are you up to nowadays and generic usually the answer is was like oh little bit of this a little bit of that this person said i quit my job and i am just hunting down a way to own a piece of only fans i go what the porn thing and he's like yeah only fans i think it's gonna be massive i think it's you know it's one of these it's the center of the universe right now and people are just gonna be the center of the universe people don't realize it i think it's gonna be one i think it's gonna be the one of this like this year kinda cohort this is gonna be the company that matters so my only mission is to add so much value to the owner of only fans that i can invest in it or own a piece of it somehow and if i don't whatever at least i was helping that rocket and chip go and you know previously it might have been spacex or tesla was like you know the those that come the company and bitcoin ethereum like those are like some of the other ones that had their their they own that that year there was no more valuable company that was like creating more value that would then in the future be realized and i just thought it was awesome i thought it was an amazing i was i'm just so happy that this person's is a friend that like think so differently operates so differently than the the average person that has he been successful has been successful and he told me i was like i go so what's the strategy here he goes oh i'm trying to make all the best investments i can so i can make the worst investment of my life and buy this like soccer club in europe that i grew up loving hey he's like i like i'm i'm trying to make the best investments ever so that i can make the one worst investment ever and and does he use other people's money in the past he did i think now he's doing a lot of own or he'll raise sp like i was like oh you invest in this company what what how much do you invested he goes a hundred million dollars i a hundred million ago a hundred million dollars he's like yeah i i raised that hundred million dollar sp because i believe in this company and i'm i then you just it puts your own conviction and ambition and check you're like so what's the company i believe most in how much have i plowed into that and why is that number not one hundred million right like you can only like self check when you hear stuff like this in a good way it's a frame breaker i said what where'd did you get the hundred million goes from one lp i convinced one person and they they were actually already convinced actually that person was kind of already convinced that this was a good company i busted my ass to get the the ability to put a hundred million dollar check in and they put the money in what did you put a hundred million dollars in can you say i can't say has it worked i again it's you baked these things three four years ahead then we'll find out like did that company was that the right place to concentrate like a laser beam of conviction so i loved that conversation and meeting that person so that was one that i think is great and let me give you one more that i think is oh here's a quick one neighborhoods not cities you're i think a great person to talk about this because you've been traveling around trying to find cool places to live you don't pick at the city level you pick at the neighborhood level it's actually what is the best neighborhood to be in not what is the best city to live in and it's that was your obvious understanding to me once you go to a place like la or you know you you've done this in in new york or brooklyn or and it's really hard to do that by the way like the idea that like let's say that you're a normal person in your home is likely gonna be the biggest purchase of your entire life and it will unfortunately be the for most people it'll be the largest portion of their net worth and it's pretty insane that you make that decision a twenty or thirty year decision off one maybe two one hour visits right like in like for a open house it's it's it's insane and you did this i think way back to the day i think you created one of these for san francisco i think it was the the roommate infographic for neighborhoods in san francisco it's like if you live in this neighborhood here's who your roommates is gonna be like which is so brilliant because it's a about neighborhoods and b it's about people because people is also what makes your experience when you're in a in a city it's not the it's not the environment yeah basically in two thousand fourteen we had this app and in order to make it popular we launched in five cities san francisco boston manhattan la in chicago i believe and what we did was we're like alright in order to make things go viral we have to name as many names of local restaurants and local people that we can think of because those people will shared if we name like fifty of them in each one that's fifty people sharing in that city that's how we'll get that's how we'll get popular and so we created this thing called the stereotypical roommates of los angeles stereotypical roommates of san francisco and if you google and we could find them and we just made like a infographic that made fun of each neighborhood and all the brands and places that they shop at and that way you could like figure out what restaurants were like that neighborhood but those restaurants and the people in those neighborhoods would share and here's the thing at that period i don't think i'd i'd had never been in new york i'd had never been to boston we just looked at yelp we just looked to yelp and look at what are the most popular things and we found the jokes that people were making about it and then that's how we made the infographic and it went like crazy i think we got tens and many many tens of thousands of downloads for the app in the first day i saw that before i ever i met you i read that thing when i moved to san francisco somebody shared it because it was so funny and like kinda like oh that's funny because it's true yeah like so it was actually useful too because it was like yeah it's a little bit stereo in general but it was it was true for the most so i thought that was so so good and i kinda wish somebody did that for every city now like just exactly whenever i go and look at new neighborhoods i i try always go to a bar and i say what's the stereotype of this neighborhood and i'll ask the bartender or whatever i'm like tell me the stereotypes and they'll be like oh a lot of gay people are moving in and i'm like alright up and coming got it that's what that means like gen or like new oh like what's the stereotype of this neighborhood with ted's of stroller so i'm like alright rich young families sorry got it what else you know what i mean like there's all these like things yeah there's like code codes it's like that's a it's like you know if you're if you're in the government it's like oh it's a to three eight three three that's a government code that means x this is the same thing it's like when somebody says critically acclaimed cool code for not profitable thank you move moving our boring yeah for the everyday man got it okay yeah i got a couple other quick ones for you rattle off one more i'll give you a networking hack so tim first back in the day this blog post called how to build a world class network and record time or something like that i loved that i i i remember reading that and like kind of like getting inspired by that so i don't know to know does this but business partner ben i think it's the greatest network in the world actually i've have now come to realize this i had no idea i had no idea what was going on until recently i've now now learned this he is working the phones and he is just like it's so funny too what what he does is he just checks in on people like just this morning he texted my friend from college that i had introduced him to once this my one of my best friends from college that were helping by a business he goes y y i remember you said that the close date was supposed to be seven thirty one did it end ended up closing i was like bro how did you like a member to check in like he's the he's the perfect boyfriend basically he's just fucking checking in and supporting everybody like bar shop you can probably test this and our and all of ours we work together i probably text you i don't know couple times a year max and it's usually about something that's like urgent sort of transactional can i'm just guessing that you talked to ben fairly often could you just describe this for a second because i think there's something to learn here out of this whole thing yeah i could pull up my text he he probably hits me up like two or three times a week like how's the x project going or how's is the how's x going yeah he's a beast so i noticed this because i would meet people and then somehow afterwards they're only keeping in touch with ben i'm like dude midas un uncomfortable i was like and i think there's something too i i definitely give off some some stink that's like you know repel people but ben as the opposite effect on people he draws them in he's like a goal of retriever and he's always smiling he's just harmless and people people like him and he's helpful he's just supportive and helpful to everybody and so he's like he knows here's what he's figured out he's figured out that most people just nobody checks in with him so he's he checks in on how that that your mission in life how's is that going does he do it on his cell phone or on the computer on his phone then they reply with like a long ass update and i'm like you're basically just saying sup and then the sup is generating this like highly interesting response and then what he does is he's just like connect dots so he'll be like oh you talked to that guy like oh you you you really like this team show we just met the writer or you should meet him and he'll just connect dots and like he he's just a doc connector and the people are like that was helpful or like once he knows you're trying to do x like let's say he knows sam you're trying to do some body fat thing he'll then just start sending you tweets just little links like he doesn't to it and is he he's also what's they call like in like you can ignore like you probably ignored the last four that he sent don't matter no hard feelings gonna keep them coming and i'm like wow this is just a recipe so this kinda led me to this understanding of okay ben is world class at this fantastic but in general ben's kinda like my wing man he's like my number two and everybody's got like a number two at some it's and once you get to start level you get like a number two and actually the number two guy network is the most under untapped resource so why were we meeting these nba players because we're friends with the number two of an nba player and it's like and guess what nobody knows that guy everybody wants to get to the nba player nobody even knows this guy's name but he's got all the access he's got ninety eight percent of the access the nba guy has but he's got two percent of the like the the the busy and which we did with with superman guy god i'm blanking on his first name what what's his name rob rob moore yeah i went out to i hung out with that guy in la and he was like he runs the he bit show he been to the face but this guy got all the keys he's like oh yeah we need this first person team you ever wanna talk let me know the keys so the came no generally these people are nicer less busy they're the ones who actually do a lot of the fucking work so they're actually more interesting people they also are kinda like the gatekeeper like they decide who gets in and who gets out what opportunities come in and what gets out and they're hit up way less they're hit way less so they're they're way more available and they're very helpful they they they know a bunch of other people and so i'm like oh shit the numb two guy network i don't know what i'm gonna do with this but i've had the insight now and i'm like i i actually get along better with the number two guys but for all those reasons i just mentioned and i just think that this is like an under tap resource and i get why everybody hits up ben now because he's the number two guy and some people have figured out this arbitrage that you should hit up the number two guy because he's you know nicer smarter better faster more accessible all the things and so this was just a realization for me on the networking side one of the one of the few like big unlocks i think that i've had before we wrap up did you what was this thing about buck up is that someone you met with in la i didn't meet them but i i met somebody who told me their story and i was blown away had you ever heard of buck up no what is it so buck a hunting thing is that hunting thing no no let me tell you don't let a look it let me just tell you the story so starts basically in the two in the in early two thousands there's these two guys two twin brothers i think and they just do affiliate marketing so they're like affiliate marketing they're like hey it's two thousand and one google is not that competitive we can basically say oh you want leads for your lawyer practice cool are you gonna pay us we'll get you leads for that you want leads for your apartment thing we'll get you that you want leads for this this supplement we'll get you that so and at that time those guys killed it those you guys are killing it kill it by twenty ten so they've been they do this for about ten years they're making money by twenty ten they're generating twenty five million a year in revenue with only three employees that means are basically pulling in like twenty million a year of profit as more if if they're if they're if they're cbc are low or if could cost per clicks are low which bet back then they were maybe i'm super aggressive yeah i thought it was it'd be pretty low them maybe i'm super grateful to say it's eight to ten million of profit i think it's very a ton which is just amazing three people doing this so this was like you know what they were doing my partner my partner joe by the way joe spies and my partner in hampton he started this and when he was twenty five he sold the business it was called epic advertising he was the affiliate marketer he sold a portion of the business for two hundred and fifty million dollars that's amazing and it was all this affiliate marketing stuff and so these guys they're doing the affiliate marketing thing and a guy comes to them and says there's now like a decade later right and they it comes to them and says hey i have the supplement called l ar and and the brand's called l ar plus and he's like i don't know what l ar does but like it's like a vitamin i think it helps make you sleep or does it give you energy i think it gives you energy or does a happy brain function better who the hell knows i don't know it's one of those i think you're supposed to trick with caffeine and it gives you energy i think yeah maybe like right now it's just some generic fucking stuff is the one but back then it was ar was the one and so yeah whatever the guy goes aca si bowls and shit it's all it's all or a kai barrier what are the fuck that thing is but it's all a different thing every time what's that shit called what's that brazilian shit cold a k i need no a berries it's like whenever i see the word it's alright what's that q no chin i know queen quinoa yeah it's like what do you call did you ever use to call i used to think that like like qui inn was liquid qui you know what i'm talking about the liquid qui head i didn't know is the thing you said you say how do you say it now because i think it's also completely wrong place call like qui what's supposed to be called i think it's but i don't know liquid qui so so guy approached says hey i'm making two hundred fifty dollars a day this a large anything thing well you guys be my affiliate marketers quickly in three weeks they ramp it up it's now making like over three thousand dollars a day okay that's pretty good three thousand dollars a that's like a hundred k a month they own fifty percent of this thing on and they buy l ar dot com to get an exact match they're ranking number one that's doing pretty well and then he reads this article so he's interested in this supplement game he reads this article that major league baseball just banned deer ant spray never heard of it what the hell deer atlas right looks it up finds that dear ant has some extract that's supposed to help you with recovery damn must be if it's so good that the ml bans it that means shit must be fire like the the must should be a a lot of so he he he takes he he has the right what does that chris farley thing did you learn the right lesson he learned the right lesson from that news which was this shit must be fire and every aspect that's gonna want it so he buys dear ant spray dot com for eight dollars and he's he owns the domain he's done at one rank and it goes okay at first not not huge demand but he's kind of he's there and then i don't know if you remember this but one year before the super bowl ray lewis who's the the killed the guy no he killed the guy i think the year before but during the playoff run he gets hurt got it and there's a two week yeah there's like a there's like a extra week rest between like the super bowl and and the playoffs or whatever i think the story goes ray lewis is hurt but he's gotta play in the super bowl and then he plays amazing and they win the super bowl and he's and it comes out that he used deer ant spray to like recover during that week and like get get rid of the pain and allow him to play well demand explodes through the roof baby and g comes to him and says hey we'd like thirty units and he's like okay cool no problem and like no sorry thirty thousand units and he's like oh what they're sold out everywhere as soon as they they they they they get all this influx of demand they're they're trying to keep up so for one or two years they're just keeping up with the new demand and being the number one player in this ant atlas spray thing but as they go they're like okay we we're kinda limited it's like very niche what if we expand this to to something a little bit bigger so they changed the name from deer ant spray to buck up they kinda stay with the deer oh my god they changed to buck up because one of the g c franchisees who they were chilling with it goes yeah you know what sells really well but like you know look it it doesn't look that good is these pre workout supplements so basically this powder you take before you work out remember explode yeah no explode dude that the thing was acid that would that would you could remove paint with that thing i used to take that shit and you would lift so much weight but it would make you feel miserable after i don't even know what was in it yeah it felt your heart was gonna explode should've have just been called like you know order explode and like you know one out and ten people die of this thing it was crazy but like that category of pre workout supplements turns out is a very big category so buck up today they say is the number one pre workout supplement this thing does guess how much revenue this does i have no idea ten two hundred and fifty million a year apparently buck up does dude the flavors so it's called mother booker motherfucker that's one of their things the mother booker and it just says like their slogan should be like strong as in ox like this is like ridiculous pew focus strength energy the mother of all pre workouts mother motherfucker that's crazy to be this is du you know sometimes when i'm flipping the channels on tv i'll see like you know hasn't min hush and he's just like you know this guy who's who's is comedian and he makes the world laugh he's so good looking he's you know happy he's having all this success and i think and i was maybe one or two you know like turns away from from going down that path when you see buck up do you think this because i feel like you were one or two right turns away from being the creator owner and sole pride of buck up dot com selling mother motherfucker pre workout powder to people on the internet yeah maybe maybe i mean i don't know i like ninety thousand square foot factory in missouri of and just like you know have a soul patch a huge ant tattoo on your back and the soul patch dude it listen the flavors are woke a f another one is the bam heist the the the other one is the ban hi stimulation another one is the lf g pre workout let's fucking go another one is called rut this is hilarious these are all like really good names of like really mean dogs you know what i mean like i'm gonna have like a really like a my junkyard dog named buck get them buck that's like what the stuff is you know what like run yeah like this is crazy this is the whole dear are you this is from that to this is is kind of an an insane insane story and yeah i just and they still kill it yeah they're doing really well right now apparently i mean i mean i'm talking about what i i know this from one guy and then what you google about them but like apparently just crushing it oh my god i have no idea it's in this stuff i would like i mean this might be a legit performance enhancing drug as it's still illegal for the ml because maybe i will order it exactly like that's so insane you know as you check out well people talk about performance enhancing drugs like it's a bad thing but i'm like i would love my performance to be enhanced right do if you know what i mean like made problem with my performance that it's enhanced right now yeah how do i enhance my performance i really want it to be enhanced i prefer to be enhanced been uni enhanced so like give me the pet so i'm like in favor of some pet not not if it means to break the rule but well we i talked about this did you see that thing the enhanced games that somebody was creating was that the was that just the different sports but for steroid users it's basically like it's like you know i feel like every college bro had this like conversation in their dorm room which like they should just do the olympics but with the drugs like you could take anything and see what happens like wanna see somebody run like with two second hundred meter dash and it's like these guys created it it's called the enhanced games and it's happening and i don't know if you've it came out and it almost looked like like satire tire like it wasn't happening so if you go to it it's an enhanced dot com i think a better version of the olympics yeah yeah exactly that's a great that's a great or basically air airbnb but better performance it's performance enhanced i can't find their their websites websites down right now the websites down but enhanced games is a plan international sports event where the athletes will not be subject to drug testing it's meant to take place in december of two thousand twenty four so the guy aaron d's is the same guy that peter t funded to take down ga by the way okay so signed me up prolific you know best linkedin ever so he hear is how he does it he says athletes are adults they have the right to do with their body as they wish my body my choice your body your choice and no government should be making these decisions for athletes particularly those around the fda yeah so here's what he said he goes here's the game plan he goes every athlete who participate is gonna be a a part owner in the thing because you're you're generating you know part of the opportunity i assume that if you were in olympia you won gold medal your life is made it's not the case it's sad to see people who've achieved the highest level of human excellence are living living and objectively impoverished existence afterwards but you know the bureau who own these things make millions it's we took the olympics has thirteen thousand athletes we're reducing that to maybe a thousand with no special infrastructure so instead of costing a hundred billion to deliver this it'll cost us you know just double digit millions and yeah they have like a bunch of things you know here's kinda like their their belief system so it says the enhanced games will be a competitor to the corrupt and dysfunctional olympic games the first international it'll be the first international sports event without drug testing olympics are about the past it's about grief greek gods from history the enhanced games are about the future we're building superheroes and it talks about how the io c is corrupt like the the committee that runs the olympics and that you know anti agent gets s because of all the anti science like you know authorities trying to like take drugs out of out of performance we're trying to do the opposites my body my choice he says think think back fifty years ago being a gay man was like being an enhanced man today it's stigma ties marginal illegal in some senses i don't know about that yeah and then i don't know if it's actually gonna happen or not this is seemed seemed our website doesn't work so like we'll see they can't afford their godaddy renewal for the domain but no i think i'm i think i'm cool with that it might a i mean besides lance i'm armstrong kinda used to be my hero and then he like got trouble for lying and i kinda like got upset about that but besides that whole lying thing i was like they're all doing it and he's doing it as well and he's still one so like it's kinda fair right so i and so i do get that i i i'm i'm kind of on board with that and i think a lot of the pet are pretty amazing like do you know what ep is it makes you get more red red blood cells in your in your blood tear more endurance basically yeah yeah better endurance and i hear about that stuff and i'm like that sounds great give me more of that i want that you know what i mean like they're and there's some ana box steroids that you know you'll die young there was this what which i don't like but there was this one have you seen the guy on instagram he was only thirty but he think his name was joe i forget what his like handle was it was like joe like all ripped or something and he was the guy who you would see flexing and he was so lean and big that you would see it looked like he had a little spiders in his chest because all the little muscles were like flexing i think it was called his name was like joe flex have you seen that guy no that's well he died like last week he died like oh that was that guy okay yeah i've seen he died last week because i he definitely was on the juice and he was just it's really hard to be that lean for that long so you have to be on a ton of stuff and he died and so like i'm not in favor of that type of stuff but some of the other performance enhancing drugs like i actually think that you could you you would be a healthier longer living human being if you took some of that stuff or like blood doping so like in the sixties this runner in finland named blasts he would like to go up in the mountains and know would see him when he was training and what they alleged that he did with blood doping you could just take out some of your blood and you could put it in a refrigerator and that gives that ox it it gives it it'll or it gives you more red blood cells ultimately and you just inject it back in your body that's considered illegal that's crazy to me it's not illegal it's a it's against it's against rules for for the olympics but that's insane that blood doping like that is illegal it's like well dude it's just your blood you're just freezing it and put it back in you things like that you can't do but i thought about that i think it'd be amazing there was a guy in netflix who did it where he was an amateur cyclist and he was like i'm gonna blood dope and i'm gonna documentary this and this was the whole documentary and it was awesome he crushed it he killed it he like improved so much and i thought that's pretty cool i think this actually would be a good youtube or podcast channel have you ever gone on youtube down a rabbit ahold of college ethics classes have you ever seen that whole no sounds boring as hell but it's actually kind of interesting it's not very interesting because it's not made for youtube but basically if you go like you could basically sit in on a stanford or harvard ethics class will oppose some question like should you be allowed to like our our performance enhancing drugs should they be allowed in the or whatever like some philosophical question like the version of the trolley thing where it's like if you could say save five lives and pull the trolley and kill one would you do it right like that those kinda like moral and ethical like thought experiment questions and you see people just stand up at a college lecture hall and they're like i say no because blah blah and then somebody says sense says i disagree i would say yes because i think that what about blah blah and you just see the debate i think debate is actually like pretty interesting and i think if somebody did that well you could do a kind of like npr style or gi style like intelligent but entertaining podcast series or youtube channel that like just gets like find these things like they could the equivalent of like somebody i was i was at one of these dinners in la somebody goes i had jury duty and the case that i had jury duty for was actually kinda interesting this guy this guy goes online and he's in this online forum our community for like kinda like kinky meetups okay nothing illegal about that and there's a woman there who says hey me and my husband really wanna do a thing it's you know here's our things kinda weird but like we want somebody to come over and we want a role play like a kind of like a rape scenario and she's like so you know i'm looking for somebody who wants to do that this guy's is like that's fun i i can do that and she's like cool so here's what's gonna happen you're gonna come over this place i'm gonna act surprised i'm gonna say no that's part of the bit we're gonna do it anyways and you know we're all good was it like a setup was it like a different woman no the the husband like playing it there's bad so the husband was on this form as acting his he was the woman saying that that's what i mean and on it she wasn't his wife is told no so this no now this guy's so the jury duty was should this guy be go to jail for rape not a horrible scenario for everyone involved lose loose right like just ten friend but it's was kind of like an interesting question like well like on one hand what a commanding husband yeah it was like okay definitely the husband should be in trouble like that's kind of a set type scenario but the guy like should he go to jail for like twenty years because of the scenario we're not like and the the vote was basically like should this go to like is like an indictment so it's like should he go to should this go to trial or no should this not be not go to trial or whatever and we had this as like fascinating dinner conversation about it with just hearing everybody's kind of hearing like a little bit of a a healthy kind of debate or just like a perspective on it similarly there was another one that was like you know this couple looks like they're holding drugs like crack or whatever cop starts chasing after him they throw something away in the trash cop you cop grabs them they don't have it on them he's like i saw you dump it in the trash they he opens a trash sees it there but who's to say they didn't throw something else away right should they go to jail for this like this offense and it's like well on what if you're in the jury like you kinda do think like they they probably did it but you don't have like un or whatever like evidence that like leaves no shadow of a doubt that they that they did it and it's like kind of a nonviolent offense do we really wanna punish them you're you start bringing your own subjective opinion into this versus what you're supposed to do as a jury member anyways i just the conversation was so interesting that i thought i think this could make for an interesting pod or youtube channel what do you think you have a good sense for content what do you think about i think i think they would be great i think i i think you could do a youtube channel a ten ten minute videos where you could so dissect some of these interesting things and just had one take a take a side of the debate and then people live vote i i think wasn't there an app that was trying to do this where it was like live debates and you vote on who's is the winner maybe i you don't remember that yeah have in two thousand of fourteen yeah i think you could kill it's it's where it's you know almost like remember you know drunk rap battles where it's like napoleon versus like caesar yeah yeah you do this yeah in that situation i think like it's in it's an incredibly interesting topic i mean clearly if you've gotten gotten into it yeah i think it could work cool alright that's all i got from my trip to la hope i actually i had a bunch more but i think that's that's enough also one keep into this place yeah i went there before and i wanted to buy the most expensive bottled of water they had to see what it was about and it was like twenty or thirty bucks this fun a fun fun experience how's the water is fine the the the the it was normal but and i also bought like the most expensive i i wanted to i like whatever like the most expensive chocolate is and water i'm getting it i think they have like asparagus there like asparagus water that's really a lay up tiktok channel you know one experiments or the air one taste tests you just give famous people there though what's that that's how you go but did you see any famous people that's why you go no i was just looking at the snacks is that what i was supposed to be doing oh god this is like second college when i used to go to the bar and you know i'm there to listen to the music and i said i didn't mean anybody i yeah i missed a point yeah you're like doing a long island i see tasting bar there forgot yeah it's just supposed to go and see famous people you no it's a fun experience that kills it the i they're expanding i think our i don't they have they used to be one just santa monica i think thirteen or something like that for those who don't know everyone is basically like the boo it makes whole foods it makes whole foods look like the dollar store yeah you like you look down at whole foods people as peasants yeah one is to whole foods as aioli is to mayonnaise yes it's the like just jazz version the cool part about it is it has a lot of products that are like almost like it's like a d d to pop up shop it's like here's a bunch of products that are not the normal things that are on the shelves so you can try them and they're all three times more expensive then they should be already five times more and i think a lay up content thing would be go to one buy all the chocolates or buy all the chocolates versus the fancy on versus walmart and you do blind taste tests and you like absolutely try to rank them and you just give your recommendation you spend the money on the stuff and you just do like one shopping you just you become the one guy like dude if i was broke again i'd be back i'd be back so fast because i just know that contact issues are right you just see it and you know it like another one is prank i hate the prank dude have you seen this guy who does the i think there was jody or something like that like what is this guy's channel the guy who went to sleep at an nba at w nba game did you see this no so but i hate the prank where it's like people like prank pick a fight with you and then the person responds and actually beats him up and then the recipient is like it was just a prank bro so this guy hate or gtn jd on a how he say exactly i love his video so he goes he went to the w nba all star game he bought four courts seats dropped like you know like whatever twenty five k on these seats and then he came with a blanket and i guess looks like like eye i mask and he he just took an asshole and he's like the funny thing is they asked him about it he was like do i had the idea because i knew this would like go viral just fall asleep because he's done it before like he goes to a a basketball game courts tied and he brought his barber and they put like the the the bib on him and he gets a haircut during the game but like if you're just watching tv be like is that guy getting a haircut like this is like very obvious and so he had this idea i wasn't gonna do that i thought it might be too mean i told my friend about it y maybe you wanna it like i was like like he's like that guy got so excited because he knew this would go so viral i was like nah fuck i'm gonna do it myself he's like so i did it he's like but then turned it to like a political thing which not why i intended it like he got banned from all nba events clean up man from all nba and the be nba events for for doing this but this guy is just so good at trolling the world and it's like that's just like a it's a it's a niche that will never get old like you can let and asshole all it's just like like infinite demand for like i get he also caught one of the nba balls and try to shoot it from his seat because he was courts side dude he's so he's so he's so funny this guy alright i think we should wrap up there that's the pod we done yeah i feel like i could rule world i know i could be what i want to from at all in in like a day's off on a travel never looking back