you text me over you're like sean you're you're seven out of ten funny great out of ten charming and i was like this is this is a sam compliment i think i'm getting here yeah i feel like i could rule to where i know i could be what i want to from at all in and like a days off on a goal let's try back leaking back you know when michael jordan came back to the lee he just fax in a one pager with just those words on it i'm back we have a lot in comment and and i yeah unfortunately when he came back he was wearing number forty five and he kinda sucked that year and they got knocked out of the playoffs so i'm hoping you're coming back a little stronger a six seven black guys we have a lot in common you know what i'm saying me and me and m mj did you miss me it it felt like a long time for me i don't think it felt like a long time for you because you were pretty prolific you kinda had a couple hits i did so many podcasts in the last three weeks i definitely missed you because that was a lot of content i don't know why did that i didn't what i should have done in retrospect let's say okay sam out let's stop forced the issue when it comes back we'll come back strong instead i over compensated when you're out and i was like no i am going to create all the content the world needs tonight and that's what i tried to do and also we were working really hard ahead of time i mean i felt like i was recording a bunch ahead of time so you've been kinda grinding now for about five weeks now it feels like yeah the funny thing is we thought you were gonna be out this month so we have all these guest host planned for this month that your baby came early and so now we have like a full month of guests coming up can go away i can go away again but you did great i we'll we'll talk about some of the stuff i was doing but you were doing great so the sarah moore podcast was phenomenal that woman is a superstar you did a very good job of getting some good stuff out of her you also did a non pod thing that i thought was some of your finest work the the all in podcast video or the all in ceo application if you haven't seen it go to sean's twitter and you'll see it it got one point one million views outlook looked this morning that was very good and you did it all on your own you've even been edited it right yeah i didn't have an editor and it was one of those ideas that so okay i'll just explain what it is so the all in podcast which is a popular business podcast is they were like oh we're hiring a ceo and it's the it started by these four guys were super rich guys i the joke i make is the all in pod is billionaires talking about billionaire shit and our pod is millionaires talking about millionaire shit and so the they were like we're hiring a ceo and to turned this into a real brand and whatever and so i i was like you it'll be funny if i did like a joke application to this pod to the to the for the job so i recorded this video problem is the video is good but i only wrote at the very end that this was a joke and like not meant to be taken seriously so people are texting my dad they're like hey i heard sean's gonna get the job for a ceo all in congratulations my dad dad's like what's all in what's a podcast and i'm like and you're insulting them the whole time the funny thing by the way i told him i go my dad texted me that and i go no no it's just a joke and then he goes okay who started it he thinks like someone's like messing with me i started it but you were you were like you're a ribbon i'm just kinda it funny yeah it was so it's all fair because it was mostly funny stuff but you were giving them a hard time so that's pretty funny and then a couple of them replied and be like you've made it to the second round so i actually thought they handled it well did did they reach out to you at all no they handled it will they didn't reach out beyond the just like the public replies or whatever and then they played it on the pop on their they played the first five seconds or ten on their podcast and unfortunately that made it even worse because that's that part is where it sounds like i'm serious about it and then i start roasting them but they cut off all the me roasting them and just put the part where it's hey i i'm applying for this job which is actually the best roast back that they could have done i i think our our friend messaged us and said one of the great things about or what did he say he said a really powerful tool is to be able to take the popular narrative in blunt force your way into the conversation and you did it perfectly yeah amazing good job talking about a news jacking that i think brian holiday coined that term our at least he popularized it which is you take the current thing but you find a way to attach yourself to it you sort of hijack the news news jacking and it's not what well it wasn't my intent i just wanted to try something funny i so i've been i'll i'll tell you we do this podcast and i love this podcast but also i told you i'm not like i'm trying to not go start another company right which is all i've ever done for fifteen sixteen years is go be like i'm a startup up ceo i'm gonna start a company it's kinda of my identity and i'm trying to shift that and i'm having a lot of fun creating content but also it doesn't take that much time to produce this podcast like take some time for sure but like when you're used to working i don't know it's fifty sixty hours a week it doesn't i couldn't put fifty sixty hours a week into this and again the smart chill move would be to just take that energy and go be a better dad go do some community service and just just better myself as a whole but i'm a flawed of human being and so i need to direct that fifty sixty eight hours of energy into some creative work project and so i was like i've been looking for way like other content i can create other content formats that are gonna be fun one of them was this idea of doing like something that's a little bit funnier it's almost the the thing i did was kind of like you were seen last week tonight or the daily show it's sort of like yeah i know that you've been having last week tonight i know you've been loving that style yeah so i were trying to do that style which by the way very nerve wracking hard it's one thing to be doing a podcast and crack a joke in the flow of a conversation another to be like in this video i'm gonna be funny i'm gonna tell jokes and make you laugh and it's like wait is this it like within ten minutes i was like is is any of this funny it's and i couldn't i couldn't figure it out bro i was like i was like i i don't know if this is good or this is gonna be a total fucking lame thing to put out there and that was a nice feeling it was a good to feel alive again well here's the good news twitter is not a very funny place so so even an eight out of ten can crush it yeah you texting me something you're like sean you're you're seven out of ten funny great out of ten charming and i like this is this is a sam compliment i think i'm getting here it was awesome i thought it was good but you tell me how's life as a dad you you created a baby you didn't really create it you played a a small role in creating this baby but the baby's here now life changed life the same what's the situation it changed i think i talked to thirty friends you're are one of them and i think the predominant answer was you love this from a man you love your baby but you're not in love with your baby and i only heard about five of the thirty people say i was in love right away and the but predominantly people were saying you know it's they're just like an alien at first and you don't really get feedback that wasn't the case with me man i've i i was i was in right away i've always been what i always say with animals and children i'm softer than cream cheese i've always been soft with with those types of things and i was in right away baby i i i loved it it was awesome we got a first of all we did a c section which is like magic the doctor was like i'm starting now and literally i timed it four minutes later the baby was crying and out and then the doctor's like and now i'm putting your uterus back inside of you and like it's crazy man like that's a mine you used to use right yeah yeah i was like jake's you'll be a coke doc wait you're in the room you had told me you were gonna be in the room i was in the room and basically what they do is you know mom is laying like one direction and then they take the baby and they bring her like ten feet to the side of her and i i go and check on the baby and i was like don't look don't look don't lose your angle like were they like i saw i still saw sam you you're like why you cleaning why are you cleaning all the glass wear over there yeah i know it's like staring at my feet tri not to look and i i definitely looked it was pretty wild it was gory another thing it it made me view women as wizards the fact that they could like have this being growing inside of them and then it like is out it's just like it gave me like almost a spiritual respect for my wife it was that that was pretty magical natural it's almost like you view her as a partner and also as like a sex thing like you know like she's she's sexual to you after this i'm like you're a god like there is we you what i like i can't imagine like you are not like just beautiful to me you like this like spiritual being so like the immense amount of respect another thing that happened i remember thinking the so the week i went in or the week we had the baby i think the stock market was like dying or something i barely looked but i remember thinking like the volume of love that i had for this new baby was so loud that every other problem which is silent i just didn't care nearly as much and so that was like a pretty breathtaking thing to have did you experience that some of those things you just described so i would say the first six weeks after watching my wife give birth was like i was like you can can i refill that for you what do you need and let's just sit down and talk about your needs for a little bit like how can i the peasant p that i am compared to you just make your life one ounce easier and it lasted like only six weeks i gotta say i went i revert back to my normal self after that but like for six weeks the the visceral feeling of watching that happen was it made me just be like okay i'm you're a miracle and i'm here to ease your life in any way that i can because you just did the hardest thing i've ever seen like you know i don't know what a c section is like but like you know my life was doing all the push and all that stuff and it's just like a primal experience know to door all that crap and so oh wow after that i was definitely like you you you're like you're saying just in awe and you see you know like a lot of people asked me when we got married they're like oh you're married now you know is how is like is it different with you guys i was like no we've been living the other for three years like literally nothing changed and then but the time something did change was after the baby and not even because of the baby more how how i saw her just changed you know i like i saw her perform you know an active of god and so that that was cool so definitely felt that didn't feel the instant attachment but that's cool that you did did you do like skin to scan and all that was it like oh yeah is it like a ph amount thing like at the time is it like is it chemical or was it philosophical like did you did you think it or did it just like feel like did the words it's just a the chemicals in your brain going off what was it i haven't worn a shirt in two weeks i basically just it for me it was that's not what they mean when they say so it crushed yeah i went and bought a bunch of beater i've only been wearing of beetles basically very easy access i did it just to keep the kid warm i mean i i do it just to keep her warm and it feels nice touching her skin it's just like i just like touching her i just i men are a little bit different i've noticed i watch a video on instagram it's like i'm just like playing with her face and like just like rubbing her rubbing her cheeks and like rubbing her chest and rubbing her back i just like touching her it just makes me feel good to touch her and i think it keeps her warm yeah we you also said something like it makes the other problems seem small that's definitely true right because everything's relative for in life like you know it isn't it crazy like i saw a video the other day on tiktok maybe so sad this video it wasn't meant to be a sad video it was look you know these youtubers that vlog their life it was a guy vlogging his day except he was in peru and they lived in a hut with like dirt floor and his two kids it was like he wakes up at five in the morning he does this morning routine which is he does push ups he was basically doing like andrew lieberman but like you know the real shit you know like he's doing push ups on the dirt floor he's outside in nature because his home is partially in nature and his kids were these two small kids maybe like three to five years old and they were like just warming themselves up with like the hot water in the morning and then they were doing their school work on the like c that they were living on i'll play this video like it is sad and it's like heartwarming at the same time is weird thing and especially you know like my daughter is the same age as the kid in the video and so like you just see the difference in quality of life and it's kind of stunning it's not the first time right like i lived in indonesia you know my family for from india like i've seen poverty before but you every time you see it it's like you know just like re puts it back in the front of your brain rather than yeah but was the very happy he was super happy and that's what was are like he was happy he was as happy as i am and i'm like you know this is like some obviously like college wisdom but like it really is just we acc to whatever our circumstances are and we have the sort of like a baseline normal but it is also everything is relative and so it's relative to your expectations it's relative to your neighbors as relative to what you know and what you felt and so for him you know whatever was happening that day would spike him up towards you know peak peak happiness and if something was went went wrong it would go a little bit below and so like but the absolute the absolute should have been if you just like objectively if an alien was watching they would say certainly this person is at least ten times happier on an absolute basis and like no not at all we're actually probably exactly the same in the on an absolute basis but one thing that does happen is if you have you know a kid like your your quote unquote problems from before or no longer problems or like you know your kid has runny nose and a cough and all of a sudden who cares what's happening in slack or what whatever else and i think that's one of the it's one of the many blessings that kids will give you the other which you haven't experience yet probably is when you are talking like when a kid is little like maybe let's say a year and a half years old you're showing them things and you're like look like oh my god the water is dripping or like look at this i could take this eraser and i could erase the words it's gone it's magic and like in trying to make the kid like see the magic and the everyday things like you obviously are also there for the ride and so you slow down and start to like even when you're kind of faking it for the kid you are feeling the same wonder about all the little so that's like the other huge thing the kids i think for you i'm excited for that another thing that i don't think people discussed enough and i think it's probably because i hang out with a bunch of peter pan so like most of my friends are between thirty and forty have like some type of financial success and just like go to spain when they want our single pizza yeah like a lot of my friends are like kinda selfish you know not not that that's wrong but what wasn't discussed with me ahead of time was i feel like a fucking man i feel so masculine and have a kid like i feel like i feel like it's the final piece of the puzzle and that i can continue putting the pieces together but i have all of the pieces now i didn't realize how masculine it would make me feel i think i'm i read somewhere that someone defined masculinity as producing excess resources to make sure that your tribe has what they need and i was like i get it i and i i know another i think that the definition masculinity is looking up and defining the word masculinity to like put put some words to this that's the most vascular thing i could think of i am what i am and then i remember thinking how hormonal like i like i remember like like i of two nights after or the first night at home i remember i just heard someone walking outside or something just in the street and i just like bolted it up and i was and i and i was like ready to roll and then it's also crazy how the woman i was like in the doctor i'm like so when did she gonna start making milk and like she didn't have it like two hours ago and they're like oh she's probably ready to roll like right now and i was like so you're telling me that you didn't have it and then like an hour later you do like and they're like yeah your body just knows and it was just mind boggling to me how primal and animal we are yet we try to avoid that totally totally it's miraculous is that crazy you like like where i i was like i was like you guys where's is the threshold like does she have to like do push ups what do we gotta do to like it was flowing yeah is there a we eat yeah and then they're were like oh just give it a few hours i so many of those like hang on hang on hang on hang on moments with the nurses and they were like yeah so i was like like this happened also during the delivery i was like okay and they're were like yeah you can like walk around like you you know you could deliver the baby standing up you could be on all fours she i was like on all fours what are we talking about here they're like actually it's an easier position less painful and i was like i every movie or tv show there's only one position that they show so they show they can't show butt butt hole on the camera so i'm in the like second phase of the like labor process and i'm having a hang on hold on no way no way moment and they're like dude it's first of all it's just not about you right now you need to learn that's actually rule number one rule number two yes all of these things that you don't understand they're real and they happen yeah so that was crazy and then maybe i'll say the last thing i don't know how this has impacted your career but let's talk about money for a minute i have a feeling that that's is gonna make me significantly better in my career because i think my hours will be more focused i also think that as she grows i'm gonna wanna show like consistency so like a normal nine to five or it it just to make an example of like look i i i'm am here to provide i commit to what i say i i show up and and get through things i think it's gonna actually make me more successful even if i have less hours do you think that's gonna be true i think it's true because you're telling yourself that yeah like you know my my grand theory of life is that our brain is basically a giant labeling machine and that the my view of the world is that these it's like a box is coming on the conveyor belt that's just things happening in life and then our brain puts the label on it and says this means this oh this guy joe in front of me this means he's an asshole and he cut me off versus or like this means like something else completely i could just completely make up a different definition i could be focusing on the plants instead of that and so our brain is this labeling machine and it's that's what defines everything that happens in our life and i think that for you you're gonna you're saying you know what this baby means in my life it means that now i'm gonna be more mature i'm gonna be wiser i'm gonna be more focused i'm gonna show her work ethic think i'm gonna wanna you know be less erratic i'm gonna actually like sent out or or sort of chill out and and be a stable rock type figure then you're gonna do exactly that it's a self fulfilling thing right like so yeah i do think it will be that for you but i don't think it's because of the baby i think that's because you're putting a really strong empowering meaning on the baby you did this by i we should talk about and i'm so sorry to hear about sid your dog but i read your blog post so you said kind of a similar thing can you talk about that like you basically said like do you were kind of in the f boy mode did you get this dog so so if you follow me on social media you know i've got this huge dog or i had this huge dog i've had him for fifteen years almost and he was my best friend i love this animal and basically when he was three maybe or two years old i got a dui and i spent twenty four hours in jail and i came home and he went to the bathroom in the house and i was i was so upset i'm like oh my god this dog didn't know if i was gonna come home what if i was there for three days this was miserable i gotta get my shit together i have a responsibility and so that was a turning point was i was like i i have this responsibility i have to take care of him and it changed my life and i remember thinking like it felt good it felt good to care about something and some people i guess i could say this now that have had kids but people were insulted i when i would say i was like have a dog it's it's kinda like five percent of having a kid and people were like what how dare you and i'm like now that i have a kid but yeah i was like five percent where like i i had a thing that i cared for it it was the animals obviously inherently probably less valuable but also like less work but i had this like inherent i care for you and i wanna i wanna make sure you have what you need and that definitely changed me for the better leading up to the baby being born i knew sid was gonna die soon i even wrote like a fake obituary for him before he died so i can enjoy my last six months with him and we my wife and i were like we gotta get them to we gotta get them to the birth we gotta do this we need to just take this one picture and we need to just to to complete the picture or i needed to of like going from like moron idiot fuck boy to like a family man and i've got my act together like you said something great and you said dogs for guys in their early twenties are like a special thing specifically what does you mean a dog in your early twenties because when men in the early twenties when you're twenty one you have you're no longer a kids so you have more responsibility and you are you don't get a pass for doing dumb things but you're still a dumb person and oftentimes that means that you're gonna grow and when you grow the friends that you have at twenty one a lot of times aren't the same friends that you have at thirty one but your dog in your twenties is the only one that has been there the whole time and they've been giving you loyalty and love on unconditionally and so a man and and their dog in the twenties that's a very special dog they see the transformation they see the transformation and they're the only ones i mean not all the people who your friends with that twenty one they knew college sean right and you're still friends with them maybe but they don't know what you've been doing lately and then your wife and your friends now they don't know what you were and there's really only one one there every day in your house and like you said unconditionally they don't judge you either what they you know and it's a powerful thing the point of my blog post was like i never truly cared about legacy because i'm like the feeling that i'm gonna have when i die is the feeling that i had before i was born which is nothing so why do i care and this dog died my my buddies said died and i remember thinking like i did so much to please you and that impacted me which maybe i've had a little bit of impact on some other people and it was really because of my love for you and so it changed my perspective on legacy and what's crazy is we were due like right about now november one and he died in october so we had him for ten days after birth and i was like i kinda like as it was a little spiritual where i'm like oh my god like the world worked like how on how like whatever fifteen years is however many days that is that many days plus ten days is what i got right and so that was like a very meaningful impact for me i posted that blog post what's crazy to me is i felt like a pussy sharing that because i used to make fun of people who like cared about their dogs this much and then i'm like oh i've totally become that if you ever i mean it might be too well for you at the moment but there's a great there's a guy who runs or like as a main host of sports center scott van pe and he did tribute to his dog when his dog passed on air on sports center for like three minutes he just talked and you know definitely gonna cry you know when he watched that and you know that feeling is i don't know anybody who has a dog that doesn't love their dog i don't know if who loves who loves their dog that wouldn't feel that way so you know it is completely reasonable it it was the first time i've cried in probably thirteen years and i was like oh my god like you said it was pretty wild but i'm happy it worked out and i have one bone picked with you i wish you would have told me to have a kid sooner i wish you would have told me because you're you're all always been like mister cool guy where you like you withhold a little bit of emotion you don't wanna express how wonderful it is and well maybe you just don't feel that way but i don't think that's true but in like within days of having her i remember thinking there was no reason for me not to do this four years sooner because then i will have four years left because if i die at the same age i would have had four additional years i wish you would have told me to do it sooner i wish that that's one of my only regret and not a lot of people talk about that they always say oh wait you've got time man it's pretty awesome i wish i would've have done it sooner yeah i i think my i i guess my personal advice would still be the same so kids are amazing awesome and so like so much fun like you know the fund gets baked into your day you don't have to like go do anything like what you don't realize when you're in your like twenties or thirties or single or whatever is like to you have to basically chase fun like oh go to fucking coachella and then i'm going into this thing i'm gonna go hang out over here and then we're gonna i'm gonna learn this new skill and i'm gonna do all these things if you look at people with kids and you're like the sucker trapped in jail with their kids and don't realize is you basically took all of the dope life experiences you simplified them and you get to just have them in your house all the time and like that's actually what's happening to those people you think are trapped with their kids but like the people in their kids you know you don't wanna be that obnoxious condescending person with kids it's just like like my brother likes of this one said he's like he he's like you know the only real person that like we could talk real with each other and he's like your life doesn't have any meaning till you have kids he's like that's just how i feel okay he's like i know i'm not supposed to say that i know that like gatekeeper kit i'm gonna a gatekeeper from now and when people say something like you don't know any better completely young kids you know what said that to he said that not to me but he was like we're talking about somebody else he's like they just don't realize it and they're gonna keep talking themselves to how you know blah like how their life is so awesome without kids he's like but my life he's he's typing for himself he's you know i didn't have any meaning until this and now i have you know you know my cup is full the other thing i would say though is that the four years you're talking about like there it is a one way door to use the jeff bezos decision making framework once you have the kid you can't un have the kid really and so you you're gonna like your freedoms have changed fundamentally from this point forward and so i think that the freedoms you have like you know that age twenty six to thirty one or whatever are pretty valuable you should have them while you're there and then go walk through that one way door and like you know now you have a different set of joys but you do have a different set of a different degree of freedom i think that's much more important than like you you know worrying about these like kind of a my age is seventy six to eighty you know glad i had those four extra years i don't think you're i think life actually works like that i think you it is good you had the freedom to do all the things you did and become the person you became you know it it happened at the right time for you i think you settled down yeah but it's four years ago what were you doing you're living on sixth street and san francisco you're stressed i was learning the difference between meth crack and heroin and like the different ways that what you put it in your body walking around soma up you're having a dare class without the dare officer in so san francisco and you're stressed out building your company you're making thirty seven thousand dollars a year i don't think that was the right time to have the i think my advice was good to to say wait by the way i know that you what i i i i understand this perspective of why people don't do it i totally get it a knight nurse is a cheat code everyone keeps telling me so those who don't know a night nurse it's basically this lady who is in this other room with the baby when the baby cries every three hours she goes and wakes up mom and says alright alright he it's time to feed alright kyle like my my wife is basically a cow for three months and she's like hey with the boom out you're you're you're good to go and i sleep in a separate room and my sleep has been awesome women i i don't know if it's my wife but i feel like a lot of women they go through the the waking up every three hours and they still have a pretty good day the next day maybe there's running on a adrenaline but for me i cannot wake up every three hours and still be a fun functioning human being the next day you need a night nurse too i need the night nurse i want someone to sw me i would love to get sw all too i still sleep with my wife's pregnancy pillow because i'm like this is incredible this is the level of comfort that was available to me i why is this only for pregnant women justice is for non pregnant women my knees haven't touched in bed for like the last nine months like dude knees should not be touching with one pregnancy pillow below the swedish one somebody sent and i was like swedish pregnancy pillow who did i can i just get one off amazon and they're like brother just shut up and trust me and i did i ordered this thing it took like a week and a half to arrive a boy has it arrived in my life you know like you my daughter's four now that's four years i've sleeping with it below i bought two what is it it's incredible yeah i've been wearing nipple guards when i go running so like hey i'm all about all the different pregnancy stuff but yeah it's been awesome i'm gonna try and not be that guy that posts all the stuff on social media but i might be you you don't post your children to you i don't i don't even use instagram and stuff so i don't i don't know is it a rule that you don't do it no no no i just you just i don't have it gone around to do it i don't like to post that type of stuff i post like i'll tweet random thoughts or i'll do a podcast that's like what i to put thoughts out there not necessarily like life pictures well i'm gonna try also not to be that guy but we'll see if we'll see if i can keep up with that alright well this is the the catch up episode we'll just go ahead and publish this even though it's totally different than a normal episode it's us reconnecting bonding you know we needed a little skin to scan after what only yeah two weeks bro what put my cheek let me put my cheek your chest badge one my cheeks alright that's to pie i feel like i could rule world i know i could be what i want to put my all in it like a days on on a road less travel never looking back