Q&A: Gut punches, favorite guests, plus advice for life

alright sam i was going through the mail bag people email us questions and there was one that i had to had to bring up we gotta start with this so here's the he's the here's the email i feel like i could rule the world to i know i could be what i want to at all in it like a day's off on a travel never lived sam last month i sold my eco comm is and recently a startup that i invested went public i'm in my thirties i own very little house cars nothing i have fifty three million in cash sitting in my bank account but i'm not sure what to do if i do something it needs to be big i'm torn between a few options just put it in the sb p five hundred and move on get into real estate trying private equity chasing a billion dollar idea i've hit three major wins in a row i exited my company i invested winnie startup and i got really lucky on a real estate deal but i'm not entirely confident i can rebuild it from scratch if i lose it all my life goals are pretty simple have five kids a wife and become a billionaire i'm currently with someone i'm planning to marry what do you got for me okay so let's let's answer this question and then there's some good other mail questions that we have here alright so let me tell you what i told guy i basically said if you make fifty million dollars at the age of thirty five that basically becomes a billion eventually but that's kind of irrelevant but like i i think that's a dumb goal to become a billionaire or want to become a billionaire i you should do what you love after after after you have that much money but if you're wanna become a billionaire you will but what i told him was basically i think he should put most of it actually into a high yield savings account or just like some type of like short term treasury note or something like that and just sit for six to twelve months and do nothing except read and have conversations with interesting people and that actually six to twelve months that may take thirty six months that might actually take five or ten years but whatever you wanna do i my opinion is you should plot and read and talk and only do something if you're obsessed with it and oftentimes when you make a lot of money you get bored and because of that you start kinda it's like it's like falling in love with someone when you're like really horny it's like dude you don't actually love that person you know what i mean like don't don't actually do it and so i think but you have to be really intentional about what's next project that you do and you don't give yourself a timeline but you sit and you read and you wait for it to happen so with the money i would do some type of high yield savings this account for like six months and then eventually i would do eighty twenty s and p bonds i would try to live off three percent of that money and then i would just plot and wait until that one thing i find and then i would take a percentage of the money like for example let's say that you're comfortable living off of one point five million dollars a year you take how much you need in the s and p to live off that and the rest you are willing to allocate towards your big dream and new adventure alright i like the advice here's an analogy here's what i would tell this person have a name for the supposed they don't want their name out there let's call derek chuck okay derek alright chuck here's the deal here's an analogy for you you got a beautiful big screen tv beautiful ninety six inches it's some enormous beautiful plasma retina whatever the display is but it seems to me like behind the tv you have what a lot of us have you got the cables all tangled up and the reason i say this is because you asked one question that's actually five questions probably in one so let's separate let's start to pull the tang on these cables that are stuck behind the tv so one one cable is what do i do with this cash meaning i've got cash account and should i just leave it there or do i do something with this money there's another one which is what do do with my time and those are two separate questions because when you get rich the point of getting rich in a way is to separate the questions of what do i do with my money what do do for money and what do i do with my time those are now separate questions for you but before when you have no money they're the same you work you put your time in that's how you get the money out then you have a third third question which is what are my actual goals so he said my goals are to have five kids have a wife and have a billion dollars and have have have i don't know very many happy people who got happy because they they acquired things they have things they have caused the kid thing might be different i think you could acquire a kid to be happy actually i don't think so i think life is a lot more about figuring out what you love to do where you feel most useful and and who you wanna become and more importantly than than the things that you end up doing so i i think i would i would ask a question which is what are my actual goals and use the word actual as a loaded word because usually we have these goals that we just borrowed from others either from our parents from society from the movies from newspapers these goals that that are theirs so we make them ours it's a goal you had ten years ago but you're not the same person you wore ten years ago when i did this episode mike pose he's like dude but in my twenties all i wanna do is get rich get famous be successful be respected he's like i and then i in my thirties i was doing things that would give me those things but that's not what i wanted anymore i was living the dreams of twenty one year old me rather than than thirty one year old me who actually had new dreams and i i needed to update that i needed to update the the sort of motivational thing on the on the poster there's another great question which is he says something like i if i'm doing something i it's gotta be huge and anytime i hear that there's usually like a chip on your shoulder you probably wanna work on a great question here is are you being are you driven or are you being dragged so it's was like what what's the reason why do i feel the need to do that is it to prove something to other people i talked to a guy who who dinner with a guy who's created a a fifty billion dollar plus company he's doing a new i was like why are you doing another company like stressful hard well you just had kids why are you doing this it goes i just wanna prove you know i need to prove that like it wasn't just a fluke the first time really that's in my head i'm laughing because i'm like prove to who you know nobody doubts that you could do this like we all actually respected and admire you we think you're amazing who who are you proven this news proven it to yourself why do you doubt it you did it then doing it to prove something wrong or prove something right is is sort of a silly way a silly reason to do something so anyways my my final advice would be i would do nothing financially you know like you said just put in a savings account for for a year i would get a coach to help un some of these mental wires that are tangled up i would get in shape because when you're in shape all things start to look a little different and i would spend a year with people that you really love helping people and hanging out with them so i would find people who need help i go help them i'd find people who are free i'd go hang out with them and i would start to hang out with people who maybe have gone through this season of life and i think if it like a season i'd be like i had the season of achievement and i got a season of wandering but i gotta figure out what i'm doing next call it that so you don't feel uncomfortable when you're like man i'm so unproductive now call the season what it is and go hang out with people and and make no decisions until you know the clarity will show up the worst thing this person can do well one of the bad things this person could do is go and buy a bunch of stuff or get himself into situations that can't easily be un tied so for example i mostly filed my own advice when i kinda had an acquisition i did one dumb thing which is i bought some real estate that i was like gonna turn into a business and i did it like right away and a few months into it i'm like i don't know what the hell i'm doing and i don't like this and it took it took like a year to like unwind all that it consumed my brain and it really mess with me and so i i regret doing that and i think a lot of people make the same mistakes is a very common mistake is to go and like acquire a whole bunch of stuff which weighs you down and it ruins the whole seeking process the the only alternative version of that is what you go and you do something for your parents so like there's a great clip we should put play this clip of you know steven a smith is the espn anchor he he talks about when he first got money and he drives to his mom's where his mom worked and he's like i went into went into her office and i said mom get up get your bag would leaving him and then i told her boss she she ain't never coming back and talks about how he retired his mom on the spot and i was like that's a cool thing to do pay off your your parents mortgage or dad or something like that if you're gonna do anything do that it's a you know sort of a a phil in your own economy first is that that's i think that's what i did by the way we we i flew my parents first class to europe and it was awesome right it was awesome and i have this video of them my father stood up and like you know how old people hold their phone with two hands and he like is holding his phone like doing a circle of like and i and i like taking a picture of like his seat and i have a video of him doing that and that brought me so much i feel happy that i got that video that made me happy now the way i got a little hack on that when when we sold the milk road my mom was on a vacation with her all of her siblings she was like eight eight nine siblings and so i got them all like like i was like hey have the hotel call and be like your your you know your massage is ready and call all of the rooms at once and then they all went down and basically i've got them all kinda like a day passed at the spot vegas and it wasn't even that expensive probably a couple thousand dollars but for my mom it was like having a mortgage paid off in that she felt like oh my son treated me to something but also she felt broke good yeah i got to brag my kid is so good she felt good that it was good for everybody it wasn't just good for her and that you know doing something nice for her siblings made her feel so amazing yeah and she could brag that her kid has this shit together and maybe the other ones don't someone asks this question and i'm it it's related to a topic that we're talking to what's the number one thing that you've read or seen recently that's wow you i read this book called the replay it's a novel do you ever read novels yeah i'm like bigoted a novels that i thought like i thought like growing growing up i was like a flex question do you read novels like didn't like any of novels like i was scarred by like grade school or middle school of like having to read novels i don't like and then i got into the business world i'm like oh we only read like peter t book we don't read we don't read this nonsense and then now i've fallen in love with him i love novels i read this grade called the replay by ken g woods it's about this man who basically dies at the age of thirty five and he consistently relive his life over and over and over again and it's like oh like it he does everything that you would do if you could replay your life which is like what would you do you would like get rich by buying stocks you'd probably like get try to get a ton of girls whatever but he is able to talk to his parents again when they were alive and i read that book recently right when got to that part where he talks to his parents who had died now he's reliving his life again he's able to see his parents it made me very emotional and i called my parents and like hey november like fourth what are you doing cool clear schedule and so we're taking a a big like lavish trip together and so this awesome this book made a really big impact on me because it gave me this idea of like in thirty or forty years however long it's gonna be while my parents are no longer alive or whatever the situation is of like you cannot do in twenty years what you can do today well i have regretted you know not taking advantage of that period and so i'm i'm trying to i had made a like here's all the things that twenty years i'm gonna regret i'm and i'm gonna go go and just get it done now and so that book had a big impact on me oh that's great i'll give you a couple chris williamson put a little screenshot essay sa up that i really liked and he called it i've gotta be exactly what he called it but he goes type a people have type b problems and type b people have type a problems so what is he describing so type a like the achieve the assessor the kind of like high functioning adhd or high functioning high anxiety person which is a lot of people who we know a lot probably a lot of people who listen to this podcast it serves you really well you get great grades or you'll you'll know be successful in your career because you're so like type a about it but you suck at just relaxing chilling and enjoying slowing down being grateful you know the moment being in the moment and not thinking can constantly about planning for the future or assessing the past and just being there and he goes then there you have the type b person who we all characterize is like the guy who's just they're just walking around wandering through life sniffing flowers like dude you're you're not getting ahead where's your savings account what's your plan how are you gonna get ahead you don't have all your ducks in a row what you're missing out and you know society basically we reward the type a's who even if you're high type a and you you suck at type b it's like okay you it feels like you could always catch up even though in reality you can't and the type b person we sort of look down they almost seem lazy in a way it's like why aren't you getting your act together you what what are okay you're you're you're prioritizing you're happiness too much almost you should be you should be productive right now and i thought it was so true that people fall into these buckets as a as a cliche as a as a overs simplification and it really highlighted to me how undervalued type b people are and i have a few type b people in my life where if you look at their resume or you look at their series of accomplishments or how they spend their day and it just feels like wow you're behind and then when you hang out with them you're like wow you're ahead you hear owners who's got the this thing figured out and i think that one of the big mis priced assets is do you know how to chill dude that's like do you know how to say what i called did you just call it calm a mis priced asset sure dude sure did you did it unless of your own advice brother good call you know i called cold pledge people hot to up people right cold and just like you're trying to optimize everything you're trying to like shock your nervous system and like get your adrenaline pumping in the morning and hot tub people are trying to hang out have a beer it's you know kick it with friends and they're they're happier than the than the cold plus people and i think one of the things to to really do is to take pride and being able to do both well like instead of trying to be a a higher high achieve you know working on being able to shift gears and be able to have both gears and be able to do both well where when did you see this post because like a lot of times people ask access these questions and just most recent thing it's always the most recent thing this was last nine oh wait really yeah yeah the question you said what you read recently that wow you recently last night which is because i i i try like you do something interesting so whenever you go like to some conference or anything you're you're always like i took these notes on like lessons lessons i learned yep and i suck at that and so i was curious if this is something that you like saved from a year ago and you're still contemplating dude i have a slack channel called golden nuggets that is like it's a conversation with me myself and irene it is the longest conversation and is all just little tiny nuggets that i pick up from from people when gary tam is on the podcast for example i go here i right he had this great line he goes at some point you realize it's all made up but you get to make it up i was like man that's this is such a powerful simple way of explaining a lot of life it's all made up these are all stories we tell ourselves the rules are made up but like you get to make it up you get to make up your the story you tell yourself about yourself about the world about how how your life's is gonna go i think gary tan was a top ten maybe top five personally we've ever talked to yeah i i well that's a good question because one of these in here let me find it here we go jason from detroit wants to know similar thing he says fellas i was looking at the numbers recently you've hit six hundred plus episodes a hundred plus guests i have to ask you who is on the mount rushmore for m fam the number one thing you learned from them and ps i don't wanna hear i love them all i can't pick favorites i need you to dion sanders ps s p s did you know that dion sanders publicly ranks his kids check it out and he laid us to a article where dion sanders is ranking his kids shiloh moved up dude dion sanders junior is number one yeah as you should that's that's insane four sanders number five what should s sanders who's the quarterback of his of his team number four on the number four out of five not doing so lot what a weirdo okay well i ga tan up there but that's like a recent one so i try actually to stay away i'll i'll go i'll let me tell you mine really quick dude they're all brown dudes i just realized da man and i'm sad i guess sai it's not indian but it two out of the three are indian which is pretty funny da mesh is amazing to me da mesh proves that you can be aggressive while still being calm and nice da mesh is like shockingly aggressive towards life do you know that about da she's the cofounder of hubspot cut to the ad alright we're back da mesh is a billionaire maybe a multi billionaire i don't know he started hubspot which is like a thirty billion dollar company and he's been on two to three times i think he's coming on next week or in a few weeks he's super aggressive about life but he comes off like a really nice guy and calm and easy going and like he is calm and easy going but he's very aggressive about life and i love that what do you mean aggressive about life that's a that's a that's a work that's a phrase tell me what that means so if you ask him about his background he grew up poor in india and he was like i wanted to be the best because i wanted to prove that i was capable of achieving and i also didn't wanna have nothing which is what i originally had so he's like i wanted to be great at ping pong and so i studied ping pong and i was the best at the school i went to or he was like someone told me that when i moved to america that apparently what these people do is they go play golf in order to meet clients and take care of clients and he's like i'm a twenty three year old guy who moved here from india i don't know even though what golf is but then i someone else said well if you can't do that just buy everyone's dinner as much as possible and so he has paid for one hundred percent of the dinners that he's ever gone out to for everyone do i tell you that story no dude go and he paid sure enough i went out to dinner with him and it was me nick ray neville and da da walks to the bathroom at the end nick gray watch this he runs and he pays for it da down and niko my tree der stands up he goes this is unacceptable i'm sorry i can't well hold on i'll tell you in a minute and he runs to the back of the kitchen he makes him refund nick gray credit card and he gives his credit card and he comes back to you us let me tell you story you know what when i came here from india did not think go someone told me to buy dinners so i committed at that age of twenty two to one hundred percent of the time pay for everyone's dinner and i have done this maybe he's fifty five now he has he goes i've done it for twenty five plus years and so by you pay for dinner i will not allow you to break that great thing and i go have you really done it was dude i've done it so much that one time we went out to i went say you would just like me mean brian of of hubspot and like apparently there was a company there at a company outing who saw us and bought our dinner as like a i thank you because we use hubspot whatever so da mesh was like i didn't have a lot that much money made we we're kinda new but we paid fifteen next morning he goes dude he goes we paid their fifteen thousand dollar dinner bill because i refused to have that streak broken and so da bash is very aggressive about life he started he wanted teach his kid how to program so they made a online video game that you know makes a million dollars year or something crazy like it's like a hugely popular he's very aggressive about life but if he don't hang out with him he's gentle he's soft to let you do all the talking and so i would say da mesh is one of my biggest inspiration what what about yours classic gentle giant hard to pick my it's funny though by my mount rushmore of guest has really nothing to do with their episode and it's just what impression they left on me or what i took away from them that it may may not have even been a remarkable episode maybe they didn't tell the best stories or have the the best ideas right up right off the bat so here's a couple of mine mine might all fall into the bucket of people who are playing their own game so i really really admire probably more than anything else somebody who takes the time to define how they wanna play the game of life what their rules are what their goals are what their code is that they live by and then of course succeed in doing it and and the result is that they are both happy and successful because you know one without the other is sort of the ultimate failure ryan holiday comes to mind i don't even remember i couldn't tell you one thing he said when he was on the podcast dude bullshit of since that i followed ryan i was like man i really appreciate this dude he seems he was i i think the only thing i remember on the podcast i told him i go you are one of the called the like mentally well or something else like you seem like one of the most well balanced like grounded people that's ever come on this podcast you just seem like genuinely happy and content and it just comes through in his vibe you know for example instead of getting money and being like now how do i like the the question we had earlier how do i par this into a private equity thing make more money off it he did the thing that he really wanted he bought his own bookstore and made an awesome bookstore and he's like a bookstore is a terrible investment but like he bought a bookstore at the top he built his office at the bottom he's got a bookstore why because he absolutely loves books he loves the vibe of a bookstore so every day he gets to ba in the glory the vibe of his investment whereas i put something in the stock market it's just a number on the screen somewhere and there's these clips of every time he has somebody come on the podcast they record upstairs and on the way out he gives he just starts handing the books he's like have you read this like no oh my god you gotta read this here let me earmarked the page where you're gonna love this book okay this is their famous book but actually this book is better and he just leaves them they walk out like it's a library and then got like you see us six books and i just love ryan holiday approach he did that with me and i i think it was literally a thousand dollars of books right it was like a a year's or worth of reading but he's the man i don't know he's but he's got his ranch he's got his family he's got he spends his days doing what he loves which is reading and writing and you exploring ideas he's tremendous you know i know who's met him respects him and it just seems like he's living life on his own terms he's not playing somebody else's game do you know how many books he's written by the way how many books he's published guess seven or eight fifteen yeah he's prolific and he writes a daily email i don't know how he's like this prolific he's buddy billy works for him and you can get a good sense of how somebody is when you talk to somebody who works under them it has for years and he's got you know nothing but good things to say so anyways run holidays up there jesse kinda like that i really admire this dude's variety so doing you know from rapper to starting a jingle company and selling that to starting a private jet share company and selling that to warren buffett to creating a coconut water brand to creating now a pickles brand creating a running brand but he just takes the things he loves it's he is his business is him pushed out he loves running he creates the running club he creates the everest thing where you run up and down this mountain until you've run as many miles as everest he just seems to have taken his passion instead of wearing his hard honestly sleeve he just like manifested it through the world of business i think that's really cool creative dude seems like a lot of fun and i like some of his other things like having a miss for the year or how he his little three seas thing that i stole where he's like yeah every day i take ten minutes and it's a a compliment a congratulations or a cons what's it called when like consult you could consolation for somebody when they when they've gone through something yeah he he just thinks of who in my life deserves one of those right now who deserves some con congratulations a compliment or or being console and he he checks that out it's a very easy way to build amazing relationships in life i'm doing his twenty it's called twenty nine o twenty nine it's the everest it's everest do it i think yeah i i i i was invited to his partner i've became friends with and he's was like pick which one you wanna to go and so i got sarah signed up before it and we're gonna we have a pick to date but yeah it sounds awesome dude it's really popular by the way they're it it's also really expensive and they're all always sold out as it should be last one i had is mike posed around my little mount rushmore which i don't i don't think that episodes come out yet but he said a couple of things that stood out to me but the biggest one is just a operating philosophy for for any creator you know he bet he his first song was a hit whatever five time five x platinum his second song was a little disappointing only three times platinum his third song only one x platinum felt like total failures and every time he went to the studio trying to make a hit he goes i only succeeded in making something that i hated and nobody else loved when i when i went in trying to make a hit that everybody would love all i made was something that everybody else hated or something that i hated and also because i hated it else hated it too and he goes now my philosophy is very simple i just do what's cool to me and every once in a while the whole world agrees and i just thought that is a wonderful banner cry for a creator an artist is to say i just make what's cool to me and sometimes the whole world agrees yeah he that documentary he has where he walks across the country that or it's like a music video actually or is it a music video it's like a ten minute video so good he's very inspiring watch the music video for move on is that what is that the it feels like a documentary because like there's so much talking in but or you know ten minute one that's pretty bad ass alright which one should we do let's go to this one isaac for marilyn says i just started training boxing thanks for the inspiration and i took my first liver shot wow son of a gun it feels like somebody hit the off button on my body and i thought about it later and i started thinking what's the equivalent of a liver shot in business we all know that a punched of the jaws i think that's supposed to knock out but sometimes it's the sneaky liver shot that gets you i told my wife about this idea and she says that sounds like something stupid that your reference friends on that stupid podcast would talk about so let's have it boys what's the liver shot of business tell me if you felt this before you're having a problem in your company and you think i have found this one person that's gonna change everything everything's gonna be better because i've hired this one person i think and have i ever had a okay so maybe that could happen i don't think i've ever had a situation where my expectations have been lived up to and but what you just say you've never had a situation where your expectations been lived up to when my i don't no when my expectation is that this person is gonna be the silver bullet oh oh oh yeah yeah yeah they're never lived up to and it's not their fault they could be fantastic but like whenever i like i'll buy into someone so much and they'll do like one thing that like kind of is a bummer to me and then i'm like what else is there that you're gonna do and then like another homeopathic medicine yeah about girl you get yeah it's like i have to try it's so yeah i have felt that so many times and i've always made i make that mistake consistent where i buy into someone you know like when you're you're like in high school and you're like seen a girl or like a girl you gotta crush on so much and like she finally gives you the like the chance and you're like every life is perfect i have crossed thresholds and like she's never elbows those but yeah or like her like her ring toe is like bigger than like her big toe you know what i mean like do that i hate that for i know it's out of their control and i think like thirty percent the pop felicia has that thing we're one does longer than the other but it's disgusting to me have you seen shallow hell or like he it's like this ugly dude dates like the ten out of ten model but her toe is like that so he breaks up with her this podcast where you get award buffett quote and a shallow hal quote at the same it's waited five minutes do you know who makes an the appearance in shallow hal is tony robbins tony robbins he's like the whole point in the movie like he can convinced his jack black to only see people's inner inter beauty so now he only sees people it's pretty funny i love that movie i think it's a great movie getting my gut punches tony like being let down by people which is frankly i'm one hundred percent blame for that right right mine is actually just having a health issue either you or someone you know really close to you when you're running a startup because the day before everything felt level ten important and this is the most important thing in the world we're run a mission we're at war this is this is everything and then as soon as you have a health hell a real health issue there's that phrase know a man has a thousand problems until he has a health problem then he only has one problem and is so true like a the liver punch of business is when you have a a real life scare and you're like wow i feel so stupid for having just spent you like caring so much about these stupid kpis and metrics and dialing the knobs and optimizing this funnel like dude honestly who gives a shit so it it is the the the one thing that really just shook me out of the delusion of like business felt like everything to me until that happened that was my my liver punch i always feel that way whenever i have a nurse treat me like you know like nurses nurses like like the real job dude they're like the tug boats of world war you know like tug like are like have like helped us win world war two like the tug boats work their asses off to get these ships out there but they're the un song heroes you know no one like gave tug votes love tug what is he tug do i don't know this so during world war two we were like building ships like crazy or i'll give you a better analogy nine eleven during nine eleven you know what tug boat is like a taco like at a tiny boat that pulls when you let let's say you have a a cruise ship when a cruise ship comes into a relatively small place like for example when a cruise ship is gonna dock in san francisco you need a tug boat to go out and get it and like drag it and place it perfectly where it goes but they've been the un unplug heroes for many occasions so for example during world war two we were building ships like crazy and getting them out there these fucking tug boats were working their asses off and they like and like the tug operators were like performing miracle same with on nine eleven on nine eleven it was like the tug boats that were getting people off the island of manhattan to like brooklyn or whatever and nurses are like tug votes like you forget about a nurse like or you think you kinda dismiss a nurses like you hospital for the doctor that's the doctor who's was the most important and then you like a nurse will come like give you advil or like give you a pops and like suit you and like you're you're so much more important a you're more important than the doctor maybe and b you're more important than my fucking job like it's it's not even told percent hundred percent alright let's do it another one you pick one off here if you could shadow anyone for a week to learn how they operate who would it be and why alright i would split it between either somebody who's hyper productive which is might as well go for elon because there's all these myths about elon and i i just wanna see it for myself i wanna see what's the real deal how's this guy running four companies and playing dia at night and got eleven kids and like i wanna actually follow this guy and see what's going on what's dia what is dia y'all the game video new game oh okay he's like streaming on on x at night like the same night you know they catch the the starship right they catch the heaviest rocket ever with like these chopsticks then the same night he's playing dia for like four hours on stream and he's like doing like a high level rain it's pretty wild in the same way that do you know this lebron james recently screenshot this thing out that he he's a top a top a hundred ranked bad player or like he reached rank one hundred which is like the top rank no way it's gonna be one of the most played games in the world right yeah it doesn't mean he's a top hundred player but it means he he still reached the top rank of the people who are playing competitively at that moment that's still impressive it doesn't matter have or we're like you know we've told the story about travis clinic being the number two or three we tennis player in the world luca who's like one the best basketball players in the world he's a he's a top one hundred overwatch player i play watch this is insane it's insane that watches at a war game it's a first person shooter or i don't know what you've call like a team first shooter or whatever and he's the best or one of he's he's a he's a grand master player and he reached top i think it was top five hundred which is the the the they don't do top hundred they do top five hundred and luca was in the top five hundred it's insane like i i i can't believe it people are like oh these guys are their athletes save have a lot of time to if video do games a lot of downtime when their body still ridiculous i would give a shit dude i was playing overwatch three hours a day for like you know in two years couldn't even break you know bronze this is incredible how he did that i think i wanna alright so did you read that new york times article on alex carp i didn't read it actually but a bunch of people recommended it what did it say so he's the ceo of pal what did it say alex carr is the ceo of pal or pal it's like a almost a hundred billion dollar company and they're kind of controversial because they typically have a libertarian into republican lean culture in silicon valley that's like not common and he's also like a freak and so he's a freak because he grew up like in germany i believe and he says and he says ridiculous stuff so he's like i've got some i think he said i got a jewish mom and a black dad i can get away with anything like he says like silly things like that or he'll be like the only time i'm not he said this on like a like a quarterly earnings call he's like the only time i'm not thinking about pal here is when i'm out cross country skiing or having sex like he just like kinda like says like ridiculous stuff like that but he he's just like a weirdo and and and and i i really like this he was raised in germany he went to school as a philosophy major peter t and him used to argue all the time and debate peter t right of center alex carp his left of center and so they had opposite politics and he said in the article that they would argue like raven animals and because of that they fell in love with each other and peter t and came to carp with this idea for pal year and he was the perfect person to lead and run the company and so he just tells like twenty five years of stories in the new york times article because this is his moment the company twenty five years old they are finally like the top dog and he tells all these crazy stories and he's just quirky and weird and i love that the the article starts alex carr never learned to drive his quote i was too poor and then i was too rich the pictures him wearing pig socks at his new new hampshire home just like sort of sitting in everything about him is weird everything you're just said about that is like different and strange keep going i'm i'm jewish racially ambiguous d so i can say anything yes okay wow he's just quirky man he's really funky so you wanna follow this guy because you think he's a genius or you just think this guy's a a weird well weirdo i you just wanna see it up close all the above annie is living in his own world i have friends that who report to him at pal and they love him like this is one of those stories where you said similarly to ryan holiday we talk to people who work for they all love them they have jokes and and they i think they reference it in the article they call them papa or daddy ka like they like revere him like this wise like sage guy yeah okay this guy is pretty fascinating okay so alex carr would be your pick easy nice the i i would either do some elon or somebody super creative like the the creators of south park that documentary six days to air is one of one of miserable life to watch how hard is that i don't wanna be either of them both of them play the game on absolute hard mode but if you're good you know if i wanna break my frame i'm not gonna hang out with who have exactly kind of like what i feel comfortable with it's i wanna hang out with people who play the game at level twelve so i know what the hell level twelve is and then i'll dial it back to eight or nine which is where i like to i like to stay in that range i don't you won't you don't even know what a eight or nine is unless you've seen what the extreme i wanna see the extreme of productivity in the extreme of creativity yeah man the documentaries is amazing basically for those who haven't seen it i think it's on youtube for free south park which has been around for twenty five years it's basically two guys matt and tray they come up with an an entire thirty minute episode in six days so from idea to it be live is six days and they do that every single season and they've done for twenty five years which is which is unheard of that that timeline isn't unheard of most a animated shows would be like you know sort of like a it's like a family is nine months six six to nine months twelve months that's like normal six days just breaks your brain of how do you do that and the way they do that is they're like they're you know it's like monday we're pitching ideas and then we grab the idea the animators start start drawing we go into the studio we start doing the voices so that the animators have the dialogue we're working out the jokes as we go it's crazy they also do that with snl by the way i saw this interview with him recently so you won't i don't know if you will know this but i lived in denver and that's where they're from and there's this restaurant that's famous there called casa do you know about bought the story dude they bought it and it's amazing do you know what it is first was it like i know it's in this tv show i watched it at the show all the time it was a joke in the show where it was like carmen wants to go there and there's like it's like is it mexican i guess and there's people jumping off like cliffs into pools and like all you can eat mexican food imagine you walk in to the biggest rainforest cafe you've ever seen so you walk in and it feels like you're gonna cave or some kind of like treasure hunt sort of situation but your it says part rainforest cafe on steroids there's part school lunch because you just grab a tray and you walk down this it's like it's like a ikea you walk down this path and then there's like these lunch ladies just put a s on your tray and the swap is the worst mexican food you ever had in your life and then you get out to till you finally exit the maze when you got your slap on your trade you sit down and now you're at like this table and there's this it's this huge restaurant that has these like giant indoor waterfall and then there's a whole show that happens with cliff divers and they're diving into the water there's like a it's like a little play that's happening so then you get broadway so you get broadway the rainforest cafe and like the craziest prism lunch you've ever had it's like an experience it was dying and i guess you know there it's like a staple for anybody who lives in that area it's like it's like a thing and you knew if it ever died no it would never come back because the whole idea that doesn't even make sense in the first place so they bought it for like i think a couple million bucks and the guy said they go he goes so you've since had to invest in like kind of turning it around saw this and he's like yeah mean we invested a lot of money he goes how much you invest he goes we put in about forty million dollars to rescue this restaurant which is just insane and they along the way they filmed it as they're trying to rescue this thing that turned into its own documentary and so just a crazy crazy story it's a food better the the reviews on it are like still not good i i don't know i don't wanna hear any bad things about it i do i love those guys i love casa i have a lot of memories for there as a kid and i love that these guys tried to basically the same thing that the fort did with the usc where they bought it for two million bucks and then lost forty million trying to like like i build the brand they do that but just with casa dude but yeah i don't know if the outcome is gonna be the same but that's pretty wild i mean they're like epic rich those guys they they guys and restaurants they have better combo like yeah alright we'll do one more or or is that it let's do this father one so jeremy from austin okay that's maybe somebody you know he says i'm assumed to be dad i've read all the books i'm listen to podcast but i gotta hear from the boys what advice was actually useful underline for when you became a dad so we all get advice what was actually useful did mind so much easier yours is gonna be like insightful and philosophical here's my mine was like so easy so you it's it was called like the five s's but it really could just be like two so what a baby's crying zero to three months you sw them super tight i was shocked at how tight you need to be yeah you turn them you think you're supposed to be doing yeah like you're putting this thing in a straight jacket like like child protective services need to be called like that's how like tight it feels like when you swallow these kids and then you hold them on their side when they're crying and you lift them up in your ear and you shu at them but when you shu it's super loud like i like when they told me i i'm gonna hurt the baby's ear and they're like no this i don't know however it works this is what they're used to hearing you shu really loud in their ear and they quit crying after like twenty seconds so it was like the sw sideways s that was very productive alright that's good i'll tell you what doesn't help first so when i when we got pregnant for the first time it was like oh better could of sleep now that's not how sleep works and that doesn't do anything don't don't that but you can't build it up with a bank if they wanted to say what could you actually do before the kid comes which is not much it'd be like hey just take this fifteen pound dumbbell and curl it just hold it in the curl and then try to do the rest of your life so now operate you know do your computer and like make food and do everything while curling this thing because that's actually the only prep that i that would actually helped i i think the biggest spread is mental for at least for the dad here's what i think for the for three faces of father hood this my bit i'm working on i'm working on a bit here right the three phases of father hood are i want kids that's phase one i want kids yeah i want kids hell yeah and then phase two which is when you're pregnant and the baby's coming i want kids dot dot dot right yeah scary now yeah and that's phase two and then phase three which comes a prop you think it's supposed to come when the baby's born but it will not for most people it comes like twelve to eighteen months later is i can't live without kids and then that's what that's where you will get to that's the third phase it does come have faith and so totally normal to have the the initial i want this then the questioning and the doubt and the the panic the freak out then the initial anti thing where the baby's an the an ina object and you're kinda useless as a dad you're kinda just helping the mom you don't feel too much that was at least smile was my experience and that's you're kinda concerned like wait do i have a soul why don't i feel what i'm supposed to feel about this kid and then at sort of twelve to eighteen months once they start to like smile and laugh or you know crawl like do things like that then you're able to then then it turns around and you're like i can't imagine life with that how kids out i probably spoke to thirty guys before i had my kid and i was like what should i expect and i asked all of them a very like blunt question but they all understood what i meant which was did you love her right away or did you love the baby right away and of the probably seventy percent of them said no i had love but i wasn't love cared about the wall sure i cared but like there i wasn't didn't love until let's say eight or ten months something like that i personally was into it because i had animals like it kinda replaced like a dog for me if i'm being honest like or where like i love dogs and i was i i like that i like that type of shit so i was into it but i was preparing not to be into it right away lowered expectations the key to life i think most men aren't into their kids for you know what i mean when when i say into in love for like eight eight months i had a hilarious dinner with this guy and he was like yeah i you know if i'm honest it's hard i i i can't same same description ai care but i i i guess i wouldn't say i'm like totally like head over heels like you know i can't live with without type of thing it's like me it's like a roommate that you enjoy you i was like oh totally totally normal turns around know twelve eighteen months they're like the other three i hell you're broken dude you know what also shocked to me like every all of my friends after they have kids they all most of them have said similar things which is i wish i started sooner and that shocked me i was always the opposite i thought i i always thought it was the opposite yeah i i don't waste that i'm like i i i i'm glad i got in all the the stuff that you can only do when you're you know young loud and free i'm glad i got that in because it's a one way door once you do it you can't there is no there's no breaks there's no mu that know at least from me so you know it just seems like it's i'm glad i took the time alright that's this episode or we we're gonna call this mail bag mail bags are fun yeah if you have questions again like this go to m m m pod dot com and we're gonna add a contact button and you could ask questions yeah add a mail button drop them in there make them entertaining make them fun we like them alright that's it that's a pop i feel like i could rude where i know i could be what i want to put at all in it like a day's off on a travel never looking back