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hey he's like he's like you afraid of me and i was like i was like yeah i'm afraid and he goes that's your truth yeah i feel like i could rule the world i know i could be what i want to put all in and like a day he's all on the less travel and never look what's going on i was wednesday it was good man ramon was on so you know you know ramon ramon is the best so ramon came on and did his thing he was the best good i'm i'm happy for him he he's getting a bunch of wins right now and that makes me happy for him yeah you where were you so you were doing something interesting that's why let me tell you come tell story so yeah let me tell you what i did so i volunteered here with this program called the last mile it was started by my friend chris red chris started started he did a bunch of stuff he was early at re bak so he's sixty five years old he was an early employee at re bak when you probably became very financially successful there then he started a company that they took public and then he started a vc fund that i i believe was quite successful they were in on wish dot com and a few other things and he started this charity or nonprofit called the last mile and the whole vision behind this thing is basically so i i'm not supposed to use the word inmates they've asked me not to use the word inmates but sometimes i'm still gonna use that word because that's what most people know what it means but basically prison inmates they are gonna get out what do they want you to say well the and and it's a good it's a good terminology and good way of thinking but basically they're like well look we're trying to get them out of prison and into the mindset they're gonna be working and having a job we don't wanna refer to them as offenders as inmates but students but okay but that would be confusing in this context okay yeah in this context yes and so i'm gonna kinda go against his rules in this context so there's something like a million people in prison right and a lot of guys are there for ten twenty thirty years for mans for doing whatever they're gonna get out and whether you like the whether you forgive them for their crime or not the fact is is that you they're gonna get out and so the last mile is teaching them how to code for about two or three years through a program and then helping them get jobs at like slack i believe ebay things like that and they've graduated i think eight hundred people out of prison the who have went through their program and none of them have gone back to prison and i believe the average prison the the average person who goes to prison i think it's like a sixty five percent chance that they go back to prison right so the fact is that these guys like for example i was with this one guy who basically he caught his wife cheating and they got into an argument according to the news i googled it she like went to fight him with a hammer he grabbed the hammer and killed her and he was in prison for twenty years and i was hanging out with this guy which is weird that's weird you know that's like a mind fuck and he was yeah i'm gonna get out in three years prior to this i was an engineer or sorry i was a sales person at a pharmaceutical company i had a great job and i'm learning how to do javascript and mongodb so i can get a job at a tech company hopefully because no one's gonna hire me unless i go through this program and that's crazy right isn't that weird like i'm hanging out and i was with my wife sarah we're walking around this prison just hanging out with these guys and i get to know that and i'm like i i would hey i mean you you're nice enough you're right we get along fine i'm i have no idea you'd ever done this and they start opening up and telling me what they did and it's pretty amazing and it's amazing for a couple of reasons the first reason is that when you're in this like when you're so some guys are just like habit virtual criminals was like i talked to this one i was like what was your job before this he was like i was a meth dealer right i stole meth and and i killed the guy we we went to rob this house and i killed someone and and i and but and he was like besides killing them i was just like criminal i just did all types of crazy shit but once i learned how to do coding i actually got more logical right i realized that if i do this than this other thing is going to happen and so i started la about impulse control and i started learning about myself and so it's like learning how to code but also learning about yourself like like if then statement for your life yes and so that's quite fascinating the second thing is you know there's not a lot of black coat but unfortunately there's a lot of black folks in prison and so these guys are learning how to code we are with we're in indiana it was mostly white people but i've done this in san quentin but like for someone who graduates and leaves jail and they go back to an all black neighborhood a lot of times it's these these kids these young kids it's the first time they're gonna meet a programmer who's black and who looks like them and so not only are we helping these folks stay out of prison but it's kinda cool that like you know you're actually like helping the diversity issue in tech and so so how heck did this guy chris red let's start this that seems so random from like you know your employee at a d a re ba and then you start a vc fund and where did this come from i i believe the story is ten years ago he was dating a woman and she volunteered at a prison and she was teaching i think math like she just got pulled into it at san quentin she live in san francisco and someone was like hey we need like or no sorry someone was like chris can you come and talk about entrepreneurship to these inmates right and he was like i guess i'll go and he goes and they're like can you come again can you come again and was like i guess and then eventually he was like wow you know this is a major problem that i'm passionate and i care about and so him and his wife they started a thing where they go hey they went to sacramento the the capital of california and they basically lob for this program they go hey everyone we'll put up the hundred thousand dollars you know they're talking to the politicians it would be okay if we did a cohort for entrepreneurship in san quentin and they like through friends of friend they got in front of the right people and it approved and then they're like well you know entrepreneurship is okay but teaching them out of code is way better so he starts doing that and then he goes and convince his apple the i believe the trump the trump administration the koch brothers rich people to donate money and now they have this like huge program that's kind of amazing they've trained some huge number of people right like there are a lot of people in this program is is that right yeah they've got i believe that they only allow like twenty or thirty people per like cohort and they have like fifteen prisons doing it by the way if you're listening to this well they graduated i think a thousand people was gonna say by way if you're listening to this i'm getting some of these numbers wrong i didn't like write all this down so whatever i'm saying divide by two and multiple multiply by two so i think they have like a thousand people but let me tell you something that's interesting so i was in this prison and you wanna know what's crazy dear most everyone was really fat and out of shape and yes as a fitness influencer you just you couldn't couldn't help yourself well here's why this is interesting to me so i was talking to chris and i was like you know everyone was like fat and like the food that they give these folks it's horrible it was like white bread and baloney and like generic like oreo cookies and you could buy stuff but he was like yeah well you know at some of the longer maximum maximum security prisons there are a little bit more fit but yeah it's a huge problem and in china i was like chris like if we gave these guys like look they're i understand like the idea of like you committed a crime you sacrifice privileges whatever but i think if we just gave them like some better meat and vegetables for every meal and force them to exercise like you gotta get up at seven am and as a prison we're gonna do jumping jacks push ups calisthenics aesthetics and like you it's like a the military i think they would behave better and ultimately like if your body works better you're gonna maybe behave and act a little bit better and he was like yeah you know i i think i agree but even in american prisons you can't force the people to do anything it's i think against the law against the rules but i started thinking about this and and i and i think that's kind of interesting and they do this in china and he was like yeah we we like got some we like saw chinese prisons and everyone shredded because they make you do this wow okay so did you know did you know i've done a very similar thing and so i got a couple of like when you said you were doing this i i like remembered back when i did this so there's a group in the bay area that does this called the inside inside circle i think it's called and nonprofit they basically go into it's like a men's group so for people who listen to this that don't know what a men's group is it's a idea that's been around for a long time and as many different flavors of this there's some that are like kinda of business oriented there's some that are oriented around just changing your life i forgot what's the what's was the famous one of the barrier that people think is a cult that's like a men's group yeah i don't know if you know the name of it it's like a weekend it's like a weekend thing you do but there's a whole bunch of water or something yeah something like that not not that but there's something like that so anyway the men's group is where a bunch of men get together they sit a circle and they talk about their feelings and they talk about what's going on and they and they have like a whole process that's like basically helps people unpack what's going on inside so that they when you unpack what's going on inside you're not carrying all this baggage around and then you you will act more like the way you wanna act because you don't have to sort of suppressed and pent up stuff inside that's my like layman's version of i'm sure there's a much fancier or better way of explaining it so i went to fu prison did the same same sort of thing two day program you go in i i'm met the guy gen he was kinda like you know you get a pen buddy basically so you you know you meet your buddy and he was in there he's been in there since he was eighteen and he had murdered somebody when he was eighteen and he's like been in there for twenty years and now so he's thirty eight and he was like you know yeah i did this horrible thing when i was eighteen and like i'm in here for life basically like my whole life is basically in prison and he had a great great attitude about him funny guy he was you know he was just it was kind of unreal because i had been you know kind of i'm embarrassed to admit it but i had been kind of you know in my head i just sort of wrote this off like i just wrote off people in prison like i think society write them off and i had sort of just i'm like yeah i'm not not super interested going in and meeting people have murdered people before but you know it's really not that simple once you meet them it's really not that simple to to sort of like bucket people like that as good and bad and so you know kind of you know it's kind of embarrassing to even say out loud it sounds obvious but you know it was kind of a i don't know it it's kind of awakening moment and then we we did these so we did these exercise where you're like you know you sit in your little group and you talk about what's going on and it's so funny because it was basically half successful tech guys and then half people from false and prison and and there it'd be like you know the tech guys like oh you know you know just a stereotype for i like my kids trying to get into this private school the admissions process and my wife is really blah blah blah and then like the next guy he's like you know i haven't seen my daughter in twenty five years and i just hope she's okay and i heard something heard something happen to her and i'm not able to help and it's just getting me and then the tech guy is like you know my company we we raised our a we're just trying to raise our b like so it was like so funny like real problems fake problems real no problems fake problems and but like this is sort of like no judgment right that's the idea is like actually it's funny the guys who lead you in there they're very like sort of wise people there the there's one guy at bj who runs the program and then i forgot the name of the other guy awesome guy he's like he's like recognized as a shaman and like seven different civilizations in africa like this guy is just a beast in all ways they in fact they call his nickname is beast master because he sort of was able to tame the beast in the prison and he's got this like presence about it him like you wouldn't believe like imagine ray lewis he does volunteer where he he wasn't in prison but he wasn't prison he got out and then he you know devoted his life to this work and he's like sort of one of the most wise guys ever and he said this early leon on he's like you know let's set some ground rules before we go in here man like okay what what are we and one guy was like you know no judgment i wanna be going here i don't wanna judge the guys in there he goes okay so we're gonna lie to ourselves and he's like what what do you mean and he's like he's like you're going to make a judgment the when somebody says something or does something the brain is instantaneously going make a judgment and you could sit there and say no i'm not doing it yet i don't wanna do it i you can try to resist it but you're gonna fail he goes instead let's just agree to this you'll make the judgment but then just agree to this the judgments says more about you than it does about them he's like said just use that that reaction to teach you about yourself don't use it to define the other people in there that's something that i still use to this day kind of like in every every walk of life because it's it's so true so anyway had this like crazy experience in there so i was i was talking or i guess like i don't know if i should even tell the story but basically i when i went in there was one guy in there that just looked like the bad dude in the prison he was wearing his sunglasses nobody else was wearing in sunglasses he had like a cane he wasn't the strongest or the biggest but you could tell you at the respect of everybody in there and almost like the fear like a fear version of respect at least that's what i perceived because you know you go into the situation you sort of quickly scope it out and you're trying to like understandably of the land and so instantaneously my brain's judgment was that's the bad dude in here like don't piss that guy off don't say the wrong thing in front of that person he kinda scares me and of course as fate would have it we get into a group of four we get matched up and he's my buddy in the group before and this guy basically i was you know said then you're supposed to like talk again talk about your problems and i was kinda conscious to be like okay i'm not gonna talk about these like first world problems so i tried to say some shit that was like deeper than that but he saw straight through it because these people have very good you know bullshit detector and he was like he's like man you're just saying what we wanna hear he's just cut me off like two minutes in oh that's bad and i was in the middle of my big kinda like heart and i'm a good talker i'm a good storyteller i'm a good liar frankly and he immediately was like man don't come in here and just say what we wanna hear and i was like oh shit and then i'm like my the guy i was already afraid of is now calling me out specifically for basically one of the worst things you could do in these situations which is be ina can be fake and it's like you didn't you really didn't have to do anything that was the one thing just don't be fake and that was i was being fake and this guy called me out on it he's like what you really thinking and i was like and i just said what was home my mind i go i go i really just don't wanna sound like an idiot in front of you hey he starts laughing hey he goes he goes you afraid of me i was like yeah i'm afraid hey i'm afraid here he goes so if i get closer you'd be afraid it gets closer closer it gets right up to my face like one inch for my face hey he's like he's like you afraid of me and i was like i was like yeah i'm afraid hey he goes that's your truth i go yeah he goes hey i go yeah i'm like in my head like oh okay i think i did it right i just said when i was thinking of that i think you know said them the brain numb the voice in my head that was like judging every word i was saying kinda like relaxed for a second because guy put him at ease and he was like he's like he's like i respect that and he's like and he's he starts telling a story about a time like his life and he was afraid and like know i'm off the hook i go sit down now and and at the end the guy like you know basically gave me a hug on the way out and he was like you know it's i hope i see you again sometime and i was like wow that was a just like like a little life moment that it doesn't like i don't telling the story now i don't think this even means anything to anybody but i remember this like it like it happened yesterday there's a very few moments of my life that i can remember so vividly but this was one of them i think it was because it was like a primal moment or i didn't know what was gonna happen it was real fear you talk about this a lot like we're very rarely in real danger situations and even though this wasn't actual danger this scott wasn't gotta do anything to me it definitely felt that way and i remember it and the crazy part and we can move on for this but the crazy part is like i think what separates you and me or anyone that's listening to this podcast which by the way i learned well i'll talk about that a second what separates us from someone like these folks like there i i i met a bunch of people who are like habit bitches criminals there were like yeah you i just like i was a drug addict or i was just i hated authority and and i've changed but i was the young i mean and i met a bunch of other people who work i met a guy who worked at abbott i met a guy who worked at ford i met a guy who as engineers like you know they're probably making six figures and mako my marriage went horrible one of us cheated and i got to a fist fight and i killed someone or i heard someone really badly and i was like i don't think i'm ever gonna like hurt someone but i could like it's not like in a in a mess in a thing of rage like you could flip out or i could get drunk and kill someone and driving you know like you could and it's not that we're not that different some of these guys and so that was really crazy and while there so let's get we'll talk about business there's was this there's the these guys have like ipads they're not apple but they're like a different brand of like i ipad type of like tablet okay and you can be an approved podcast and so if we go through this the process of getting approved we can go in there and there's about a and there's about a million incarcerated folks in america and there's not that many podcast on this on this thing great time i was like oh i was like dude let's boost our numbers it's so i'm i'm i'm working with the right people there's like a company that makes these like amazing and and we're gonna call microsoft and it's a surface the the microsoft managers and sham as you keep calling out a that ipad dude i looked it up on on wikipedia it's this company and they were they sold to a pe company for two billion dollars and they basically make things that the prison gives to right you know in carson could buy they can like buy movies and shit and you basically if you have enough money on your accounts you can watch movies your entire stay and so anyway it was kinda cool so that's my story i have i have a related thing do you know the guy mike pos of course the musician so he i know who he is yeah so he's like kinda like rapper singer type dude i i i took a pill in ibiza that's like a took a pill of ibiza cooler than me he's got a couple big big big big songs be what the duke right he went to so he was there while i was there we were in the same year and and i remember meeting him or seeing him and he said he was white katie he said he gonna be a and white kid from detroit who said he was gonna be a rapper i was like alright like eminent like you know that's who goes to duke yeah like you went to duke yeah that's not really the path my friend but he killed it he did amazing and actually like one of the things i remember from that was he released his song on itunes you because he was in school so he could only somebody only a student or professor could put content on itunes you which was like the subs section of itunes and because most of the things that go up there like extremely academic right is like a lecture from this random biology class in at duke so now all a sudden you get this like rap song that goes on itunes itunes two and he hit the top of the charts on itunes two and he he would tell so he put out there like y i'm number one on itunes you know like parenthesis yeah and so that's how i think he got booked on first that's how we got a lot of college it's like a growth hack like a lot of college students heard a song because itunes you had like a like there was like the rankings it's like show the top ten itunes songs which is super competitive you gotta be like mega famous to do that and the right below list top ten itunes you downloads and he's his was number one and so i think he got a lot of fans that way and then he booked a bunch of early gigs when he had no name to say it by saying yeah i'm number one on college campuses on itunes and they were like well okay sounds decent ira well we'll give you a shot and that's if he went on a college tour and that's how we built his following so he did a very similar thing to what you're talking about that's bad ass i i like him a lot so that's a good that that's a good story it's like it's like bj getting famous in iceland or something like it's better to be like have like a local maximum like to be famous on a local on a local level and then you leverage that so wanna you on one more quick chris one before we we switch off that so so my buddy did my my best friend trevor did this thing called a book bookstore which i think is a great idea in general which is he wanted to write a book and so he's like alright books normally take a long time what if i did it differently he's like so let me he did like a quick not a draft but like just a quick like kind of concept of the book and then he flew out the five most badass people he knew and put us all up in a hotel and he said i want you here for basically a day and a half to just help me think through this book and he's like we'll brainstorm it together and he's like i think if i just do this with deep intensity i can make way more progress than if i just kinda like lightly touch this book every day for like two years yeah for two years and it it totally works the last name what's trevor last name reagan r a g a n so he so he and now he has the book that's coming out it did like a for forgot what he called like audiobook book it's like a podcast of the audit of the book or something like that so anyway he was he flew out it was me because i was like his best friend of college and then it was like this person who was like the the the olympic coach for the women's volleyball team it said the us us women's volleyball has just kicked ass internationally which is not expected because volleyball is a much bigger sport in other countries but this guy like turned the program around and like so he was amazing he was there and one guy was there and he had been in prison for twenty years and he had got out and he had trevor does a lot of pro bon like talking in prisons and so he had met this guy and in the process and he was like wow this is this guy's is amazing and this guy shared two things and i was like he came out and i was like man this guy guy's like he is so wise he is so articulate i feel like he's read every fucking book because he keeps referencing really insightful pieces from all these different books and i was like what's your story managers was like actually was in prison for twenty years i was whoa no shit and he goes you know i said so you read all these books while you there he goes he goes yeah he goes my first year when i was there i was like i was twenty years old or something like that he's he's like i decided i'm gonna see what i wanna see he goes so i i decided like you said they're calling they're called the students there he that's what he's that's that's what he did for himself and his brain he goes i told myself i'm not in prison i'm in university he's like every day i woke up i said i have i'm getting a twenty year phd in life and every day i woke up and i just i would everybody around me in the line we're getting food i this is this is the student union i'm at the student union i'm getting food from the from the from the meal hall i'm going to the library i am in university right now i am not in prison and he just literally like worked himself up into a friends where his minds only saw that and he saw everything as as university so he read all these different books and then similarly he said you know i would look around on the on the yard and on the yard you'd see all kinds of bad shit going on you the black guys find the white guys and the mexican guys and all that and you'd see broken you know just broken down you know our basketball hoop was half crooked all that he's like i just played a game every day in my mind i would change what i saw so i would see a beautiful greenfield i would see he's like every day he's like if i saw broken glass i would see roses and this guy's mindset impressed me so much it's another one that stuck with me which was like create your own reality and like how many times if this guy could do that in prison then when i'm waiting in line at starbucks i'm not waiting in line bored i changed it in my head just like the guy changed his university i another one that was like that's amazing huge life thing that i took away from that guy dude know what i love this prison talk we we should i got we got i think we should do like an entire episode on this there's like all these guys who are blowing up on youtube who are like are it's all about crime and and and and prison talk and and whatnot and i learned so much from those folks do you watch these videos that's basically like a guy these are not insightful and and what deep but they're just entertaining to me have you seen these ones where guys will go to film around a police station and then the cop comes out he's like hey why are you filming what you what what you doing here let me see your life let me see your id he's like nope i'm not gonna show you my idea and he's like what he's like let me see you watch i shit all the time and he's like no i know my i'm a public place i'm allowed to film said yeah but what what are you doing like do you not know the rights and they just like talk back to cops and there's something about this about just talking back to cops call it's it's called justice porn and it's exactly it's just as porn that's what i call it it and like and the comments are super polarized half the people are like what an asshole dude the you're just make you're just being annoying to the cops they're like you're provoking them and then they'd take the bait and then you like jump on them with it because you you why did you spend your day doing this and then the other half people are sort of like me and they're like god i don't know why i find this so entertaining i just love when somebody like it's just like most accident yeah there's something to it but i can't i care this that's my junk that's my new reality tv yeah go to reddit dot com slash justice porn and there's a whole subreddit for that and there's like a million subscribers it's pretty crazy yeah it's it's not like there'll be a guy gets pulled over and he's like let me see your and he shows him a password from another country and he's like not need your id he's like no you don't there's a treaty that says if i show you this password at blah blah and you cannot arrest me and he's like know some random like loophole and he's just driving around fast hoping to get pulled over just so we could do this thing on camera and get a bunch of views it's kinda sick but i like it speaking about the countries let me tell you about something interesting have you heard a prosper have you heard a prosper para sounds very familiar what is it okay so i almost or i'm in the process and i hope i can make it happen of investing in this company call mini circle so prosper is this new like private charter city we've talked about private charter cities a bunch right okay and so it was set up in part by peter t who's very controversial weirdo type guy i like them but a lot of people don't and so he basically set up this country out the city in honduras and they have their own rules and their own laws and weird things like that so do you know what gene therapy is have you heard of gene therapy yeah is it basically like is chris would crispr be part of gene therapy so it's basically the modification of your dna in order to like fight disease is that is that a good description yeah so it's this very experimental kinda technique kinda like medical procedure where basically you insert and modify genes in order to in in in order to replace surgeries or drugs so for example there's this kid in syria he had some weird disorder where like all this skin started deteriorating deteriorating he was about to die and they did this gene editing stuff and he was able to reg grow back his skin and a lot of people but it's very controversial because you're doing a couple things you're kinda like playing god which i don't buy in but that's an argument people and also yeah and people don't like it and also it's experimental and so the fda like very closely monitors this stuff ryan they'll say like and so there's and there's a lot of like weird like bio hacker fringe types you're are interested in this stuff and so it's all like controversy controversial kinda but nonetheless it's cool so i'm trying to invest in this company called mini circle and they're making this new gene therapy that like increases muscle mass bone density helps you with insulin sensitivity and does all this like crazy shit to you but in order to get it done in america you gotta go through the fda and it's like this big process and so they've moved their company to prosper this peter teal city in order to make all this shit happen and they're doing their testing floating city or is this in honduras latin of america in honduras it's in honduras and so they're doing it like so basically they're like we're working with fully informed and trusted i'm reading off something we're working with fully informed and trusted study participants who are choosing to do this right but it we couldn't get this done in america it would take forty years to do this we're gonna do this on this on this weird city type of thing yep and i'm trying to invest in this company i think it's ridiculous i think it's crazy but kinda cool it is very cool i invested in one charter city called p and they're what they did was pretty smart they were like they first created just a bunch of like like a like a group here in america so they they invited a bunch of cool people from new york la san francisco and they're just like host events so throw dope parties so these people that they're like in a community they get to meet each other at these events and there's like an online component and they keep doing this they keep doing this and meanwhile they're searching they're going around to like all around the world and they're basically negotiating with governments and they're saying hey give us some free land and let us have our own rule of law and rule of financial law in the like our own financial regular regulations and our own rule of law in this zone we're gonna create a new city and we're gonna bring all these p like cool people plus like development dollars to your place right so in the in the us you could never say hey us government go give us you know a little piece of wyoming they're not really gonna give you that but you know you go to whatever you know you go just in the matter of mediterranean into the balkans and you find some random a piece of land and you say well this is beautiful it's right on the ocean it's undeveloped and you go to the government and you say look what if i could get a bunch of people from america you know successful people who want to kinda live in a new a new charter city and and so it's just like really wild moonshot idea i totally fully expect this investment to go to zero i put in a very small check but i had to participate because the founder was so convinced that like yeah of course people will do this and and that if you did it it would be very large it'd be like owning the raw land you know you you know the land under manhattan where all the buildings are gonna get built and you can either do development yourself or you could sell off the pads and make a ton of money so the business is great if you can kick off a new charter city and one of the ways you attract people is this like if you own if you have your own rule of law you can say hey bio come here because you're allowed to do you know you're allowed to run your experiments here because we have our own kind of like free zone where we can do our own shit and so i think it's really cool what's happening biology is pretty convinced that in the next ten years we're gonna see charter cities you know pop up startup cities yeah and on one hand to say to explain why this like why the haters exist on this and why i i definitely hate on them a little bit or you know there's like some negativity which is like it's most likely like fringe libertarian types kinda like how all the bitcoin rich folks are going to puerto rico to avoid taxes you know you could say like the fda exists for a good reason rules exist for a good reason you guys are freaks just trying to like avoid the reality and there's definitely a truth to that and there are like probably that's a solid argument some parts of that and then on the other side you could say well like that's like what the fucking america started right we we bailed on we where we were the free experimentation zone right yeah like we wrote a ship across like you know three thousand miles not knowing what to back and we just landed and we figured it out you why is interesting i think even the people who like start cities would say yeah great there should be the fda there should be all the stuff for most people in most places but if it covers all all land and all people within a country then you stamp out the wild experiment so i know that google guys have been talking about this before which is that they need to there should be a free space where if you opt in you can go and you could do some of the experimental things that you can't do here and the learnings from that let's say nine out of the ten things don't work out or they have bad consequences okay fine but if one breakthrough innovation or or or discovery is made then that can be exported back to the mainland and we could say look let's go let's take this through proper testing and let's roll it out to everybody so like you know people go to germany to go get you know stem cell treatments and things like that because it's not legal here but in other countries they're more liberal about it so like you know i started a company wants a biotech company and the technology was made in the us the government us government had had funded forty million dollars of r and d for this technology but you couldn't go use it in anywhere in the us because the like you would never get the permits the people would say why would we will not let you put these microbes into the ground it was basically these little microbes bugs that could eat coal underground so you don't have to mine it and they would basically just like fart or breathe out natural gas so they will just mine the coal themselves and you just collect the natural gas you don't have to f the earth and you don't have to mine the coal but the us would never let us pump these microbes into the ground because they're like we don't have to life is pretty good here we don't have to do that so we went to indonesia and we went to india where they were like yeah hey here's a huge plot of land how much money do you need to go do this we love this right we want economic activity we want innovation and if this works then we wanna capture some of the upside of being able to like sell this technology to others and so we got quick permits in indonesian india where we couldn't you know the company trying to do the same thing in the us they were bogged down for years and never got approvals have you ever heard of medical tourism yeah i've always been curious about like how how people have the guts to do this but it makes sense you you go to mexico get your teeth fixed or whatever you know have you done anything like this no so for those who don't know what this is i learned about this because me and sean's buddy john howard your friends with john howard yeah he's great we i shared an office with him at this place called founders dojo and they created a company i forget the name of it but it was basically medical tourism so basically i i think a a use case is typically like dentist or like v veneers and teeth stuff although then there's other stuff like breast implants and plastic surgery yeah where their premise was basically it's cheaper to get it done in bali or mexico or india somewhere like that where like there i have no idea if this is true they're like the the doctors are just as good but it's a fraction of the cost to fly out there get the surgery done and chill there for a week and recover and fly back the company did not work out and frankly in my opinion it sounds like a fucking pain in the ass i would never do that i'd rather pay twenty thousand dollars in america for v but be able to get it done like three blocks from my house than i would wanna go to mexico but well yeah it's not for you right it's for somebody who can't afford to here it's it's not if i could do this or that it's i can't do this and my teeth fucking hurt or i can't do this and i need this surgery done okay if i can't afford it here even with insurance then okay i'll go to mexico and i'll do it because i have no no no real other option alright it it's so prohibitive expensive it would cripple me financially and i don't wanna save my health and cripple my finances so i'm gonna do this there's i think it's a hundred billion dollars a year is paid it no way it's a hundred million dollars of medical tourism per year globally that amaze me i never would've have thought that i'm i just because it seems one saying in the ass it seems wild right but i think that's the you know when people are pushed into a corner they will find a way you know that that is sort of the the innovation of people and yeah i'm actually surprised thing didn't work what he was doing was he was selling leads so he would yeah find customers who were interested in it he would educate them and he would sell those leads to the off medical offices you know in mexico or wherever and say hey this person is interested they wanna do a phone call with you would you pay us a hundred dollars for that lead and they were like yeah sure you know and i i i honestly think that business should have worked and would have worked how do you stick with it it was like a pivot maybe he didn't have enough time to to figure it out yeah i don't i don't know the particulars but i know that it's it's when he told me about it i was like there's no way this would work but i say that about a lot of stuff yeah exactly alright what else was you wanna talk about i don't know what you wanna do let me look at your list here okay so there's julian building of ranch i think that's pretty cool i we should talk about that let's do julien building ranch and then let's do let's do that okay i have a have a good deep dive but i'm gonna save it for the next episode that's a good one about the diamond just alright lay the background of this so you know julian better than i do right yeah yeah so julian shapiro he's just at julian on twitter a lot people follow on there think got like you know two hundred thousand or maybe more followers he's a weirdo total weirdo in the best way possible yeah he called me the other day and i said i go hello and he goes the love of my life i like take my who the fuck is calling me and then he's like i have this deal blah blah and then he you know just go straight into it doesn't even acknowledge the love of my life part it was just hilarious he's just a hilarious character he sends us like the funniest memes like on twitter he's like this really thoughtful intellectual like guy he'll teach you how to write and teach you about all this other stuff teach how to think frameworks blah blah blah and then in our group chat he's sending you know the the goof memes which is like that's my favorite type of person who's got both of those sides to him the silly side and the smart side so he tweeted out that he's basically he's been talking about this for a while so it's not just like a bullshit thing but he's like he really really wants to build a ranch and actually by the way i should share the most interesting thing about him for the last eight months all he has eaten is wagyu you steak it boiled eggs which i don't believe i believe it because he's crazy and he he kinda needed to i think he had some like his his gut health wasn't right he just like like took control i'm gonna i'm gonna figure out how to fix this the doctors are helping me i'm gonna fix this myself he had read about the carnival diet and i think jordan peters had a very similar like kind of like issue and he famously we came out outside so i did car if it healed me basically and so he started doing it and he started feeling a little better then he committed to it he's like okay so he literally orders wagyu steak from these like farm from this one farm actually in particular and he orders like three thousand dollars a month of steak and he shows me his freezer his freezer is just full of bricks of steak like imagine like you know what when you see in a movie piles of cash like just bound up how's of cash it's that but with wagyu steaks and so he like said he said it was miserable for like six or eight weeks he was like i crave carbs i crave sugar and then he got six eight weeks and do it and he's like i can't even imagine eating sugar carbs again i i might crave them at all it sounds horrible by the way that's a real thing from what i understand that there's there's basically in your microbiome in your gut there's all these you know basically it's bacteria that live there and the bacteria feet of the different yeast and back series is feed off of different like substrate different different food and so the more you eat carbs so imagine if what you're putting in his carbs the bacteria that thrived off of let's call it meat are gonna sort of die out and the bacteria that thrive on carbs are gonna like proliferate they're gonna bread they're gonna multiply and they're gonna they're they're gonna make up the majority of your gut and then if you decide to switch and go low carb all of a sudden those bacteria are gonna say where the hell are food and the in the craving you feel those carb cravings is not just like your mind being weak it's literally the gut bacteria that are signaling to your body we need our fix we need our shit or we're gonna die dude what are you are you reading about body stuff now how do you know all this no i heard this one i was fascinated by it and somebody had told me this and i looked it because i was that bullshit and like i'll i'll just say half the shit i read five years later turns out to be bullshit so like with health i feel like nobody knows anything but in hearing this i was like oh that makes total sense and that's how you you know just like you get withdrawal pan if you stop caffeine and the same exact happens with the carbs and when you know that that's what's happening you're like oh okay i just need to ride your motherfuckers out like i just need to keep i just need to hold you guys else starve you guys out and in seven days you'll be dead and the only bacteria left will be the ones that feed that like the stuff i know i want to be eating so it's a total thing well okay so and back to julian and by the way that's always why i wanted to start my startup called hostage where we just like take you and throw you in this like like land and keep you in a cabin for like three weeks and just like monitor exactly guaranteed weight loss program would you yes would you be interested in a ten day program that would guarantee results i will i will pay you a hundred thousand dollars if you don't lose weight sounds good we just give you fourteen hundred calories a day welcome the hostage and yeah yeah it's it's yeah like would you like in glass of water like that's all we all you get what are your often ideas so anyways so julian basically yeah he buys and by the way the the ranch thought he was a restaurant because he was ordering so much fucking steak they're like well certainly you're a restaurant here's your like wholesale price break and it just turns out he's just a dude anyway so he really wants to build this ranch in the middle of nowhere because he's think about where i wanna live and then he he tweeted out this threat that i love it's just just searches his named julian and i'm building a ranch in the middle of nature and basically he's like you know why am i doing this i wanna leave san francisco i you know i i just think it'd be amazing and he basically tweets out his plans he's like here's where i'm looking here's the land here here's how much it cost i'm gonna build this like these like pre fab homes i'm gonna build this podcast studio i'm gonna have like like by blank you like this i know this is like right up your alley so what did you think about this okay so this is in my opinion very romanticized incredibly not practical and it won't work in most cases have you ever been you know you live in you lived in a city for a long time you now live in the be but it's still populated with people have you ever been by yourself for a while like in in a rural area shoot me yeah not horrible it's fun for a minute it's great i was just in hawaii and was like this is relaxing this is great i can't i think that you basically you wanna do it to the point where you're like i felt the benefits and now i wanna run back into society and tell everyone how awesome i am for doing this retreat from society yes and so like i'm reading the the teddy roosevelt about biography and he did the same thing so basically his wife and mother died on the same day and it was tragic it's horrible and while she the wife died allison while giving birth to his daughter so like the most complicated day ever and he was like the light of my life has gone i i cannot live anymore just the life has done for me and so he went and he bailed and he lived in the badlands which is in the dakota and he said i feel replenish i feel wonderful but you still gotta get he went eventually back to dc and or new york and became a politician and i think that i think what a lot of people re overestimate is or rather underestimate is community so in order to make this work i think a few people can make this work but from nine out of ten folks you need peers you need family you need friends life is i don't give a fuck if i live in the most beautiful place on earth if i don't have people that i can see on a regular basis who i love it's stupid i'd rather live pouring and in a shack with people i love that in a mansion on a fifty pla fifty acre hundred acre plot of land that's beautiful hundred percent agree i think part of his plan is to basically have a bunch of basically guest house and make it an awesome ranch where he'll just have this rotation of kind of friends and cool people that wanna come stay and i think that will i think that will happen but he's i think he's single so i don't you know if i went out there with my my wife my kids then i think i could last a lot longer than than if i went out there literally by myself you've just hoping to kind of friends would come to visit so i think that is one thing and i think this is a great example of you wanna have this dream but then i think you need to test it i think you need to go live i think he need you just stop right now you should go somewhere for one week and just say okay let me go test our two weeks let me go spend two weeks by myself in this airbnb in the middle of nowhere and let me just see how i feel after two weeks and then let me try that again and i know he's got the discipline because if you can eat steak only for you know steak and eggs only for no props but like you don't want it to feel like an endurance contest if you're trying to choose your lifestyle you want it to be one that feels effortlessly awesome not like a a a test of your mental fort to i think so i think it's amazing i would love to go visit but i would not wanna do this myself so i've actually like done this a bunch of times so there's a bunch of stuff that i wanted in my life and i was able to test it on a very small scale and i'll give you a few examples so for example i wanted to retire and so i had the opportunity a couple years ago i took six weeks off right and i just took it off completely and by the fifth week i was like i can't retire i have to be around i have to have something to do another example is buying a fancy car you can go and test these cars for right it's a lot of money it's a thousand dollars a day but you can testing a two hundred thousand dollar car for two days is my you you you get into it this ferrari is so small i cannot drive this up and down like a driveway it's just gonna smack the ground and it's not fun yeah i'm stressed about this in the fun of having yeah versus dress of having it is actually not a good trade now that i feel it anyway another example is having a five thousand square foot home for the longest time i was like i wanna a five thousand square foot house so i went and rented a five thousand square foot house i i spent a lot of money maybe i think i did it in new york i i rented a fifty five hundred square foot house and it was like thirteen thousand dollars for a month a lot of money no doubt about that but the house was way more expensive than that and i got in this house and i was like i i cannot imagine having to fix all this crap all the time this is exhausting i can't do this i don't want this or i'm i'm only using the living room the bedroom in this huge kitchen which i like i don't need these six other bedrooms and anyway i think that you could actually test a lot of stuff and more people should do that they should they you can hundred percent dude so i i okay my rant for a second think about like in college right so i think there's this crazy thing in society which is like over commitment and over specialization without dabbling so like you're a freshman i remember at the end of my freshman when you're in college i had to commit to a major like dude i had just figured out like where the hell the bathroom is i don't know what a major is i don't know what the other majors could be i know that if i don't commit i'm gonna be falling behind and off track you know i'm not gonna have my credits on time and i'm not gonna know what career course is to take and i'm basically picking my career without ever even knowing what my career should be so forget what classes i'm gonna like these that my major sort of dictates what job i'm eligible for at the end and i think it's crazy and the same thing with people's you know like first job they just decided to sort of pick a career track without dabbling and figuring out what they actually might like to do the like the idea of dating is a is amazing like my parents were arranged marriage so they you know they literally my mom read an ad in the newspaper for my dad which said like you know a six feet tall which is a slight lie you know he's five ten you know indian what else engineer degree and a good family i i was basically at the ad and she was like i they describe like every indian american good enough good enough to marry love let's let's meet and then they were the parents met and they're like okay in this one tea we're having together this one coffee meeting we're having alright cool we're done deal see you it the next time i see we'll be at the wedding and that's how they got married and like you know really shocker that you know the these marriages aren't always the best and so that's why are they happy no and most so i would say like any marriage just have like a very low divorce rate because like societal it's like like there's like a taboo against getting divorce so they just like even worse stay together unhappy is what most people do and then obviously some get divorced but like there's a arranged marriage ideas is it's not great now the counter point would be you know i think in new york there's a fifty three percent divorce rate also so you know maybe the whole yeah dating thing doesn't work as well so that that's that's a fair counter but i would say this idea of dating i've basically try before you buy is is really important in life and like these these tests that you've done for yourself are super important and i'm shocked more people don't do them i started doing them and i'm like wow that's way better than this like i'll just have this idea in my head and it'll get so real in my head and then when i finally do it i'm like oh shit that was under wilmington it's like couldn't i have just sample this beforehand and known that and not having this idea like what's an example like okay i'll give you an example on the plus side so they've been example of the plus so i hired a chef so i have a personal chef i wanted a personal chef for a really long time how much does that cost a month so how much does it cost me a month this about three thousand four hundred dollars a month three thousand five hundred dollars maybe thirty five hundred includes food that does not include the food no the food on top that's just like that just the service the service of having a private chef in my house and by the way worth it amazing like you know fortunate to be able to afford it but like to me i i don't have a fancy car i don't even have a fancy home but i got a house who comes you know three three days a week and i got a per private chef and to me that's like that's my version of luxury that's like i you know that's my version of a lamb it's like a lifestyle so does this person help me everything does this so i had a chef as well for a minute but it was a little bit different i was more like meal prep does this person come and and i paid way less a fraction of that right i've been the bay area here so you know it's a yeah but my guy came two days a week and they would meal prep for me and i didn't like it i ended up just not using them and i i made my own food so so i tested them so to do the sample idea i first even got the idea because i got to sample it so my previous company monkey for furniture no you've you've been there before for lunch i think probably the the the investors behind us they were kinda like a a billionaire family the the birch family they had a private chef in their home but you know they were out and about all day working or they'd be at the office so their chef would just come to the office and cook for all of us and so you know a company of like twenty people and he would cook this amazing spread and all of a sudden healthy food tasted it good so immediately i was like holy shit this is kind of amazing i don't have to like go out figure out what to eat every day this guy just decides so that's one decision i don't make he cooks healthy food and it tastes like junk food alright that's like you know wow that's amazing if i just ate this for all my meals i'd be way healthier than just my lunch and so so i got to sample it that told me i want this and there's other things that i got to try you know when i was at their house or fancy parties that they throw or fancy cars that they have that you know i got to try and i was like i i don't care about this good i can scratch that off the list it's one less thing i want it's one less thing i care about and so that's just hanging out with them got me got me to try some things that i thought i was working for and figure out what like i'm don't like so then i tried some meal prep people what what i figured out what i really like is somebody who comes i don't decide what to eat they know my they know my life's they they know what food i they know what what health what level of health ness i i care about and they just come make it fresh on the spot because saying fresh food tastes way better than meal prep food and so she comes at she and then i also thought i also realized oh this is not just about my health like one of the most time bits i mean parts of being a parent is constantly trying to your kid i like my kids like a picky eater and so she you know like i'm making the three dishes for her every meal just trying to get her to eat something that she likes and that just takes up more time than even cooking for myself did so the chef cooks for me my wife who's vegan and our our baby and so our baby now eats like way better than when we were just you know let's make some mac and cheese just warm something up and and it makes it fun feed week the week so it's tired so she so right now she's coming three days a week so she comes every other day basically and then on the weekends we wanna eat out so we like to go to restaurants or whatever so we we said don't don't come on the weekends and we may move it up to five days at some point but right right now it's good basically she and it's little things like here's a green smoothie she makes every you know so in between meals instead of a snack it's she's like oh you want your smoothie i'm like i do want that smoothie thank you have you lost weight i think so i i don't really weigh myself but in the mirror i look like you lost weight i look better and i know if i wait has changed i don't i don't use the scale but i just use the mirror as the scale and so often had does your cleaner come three days week also and how much you pay for that a hundred and sixty bucks per visit i think damn dude so you spend a lot of money on these things i mean spent a lot of money on they may extremely happy to do it but make like the the feeling after the cleaners are here is like you know that's like a high for me that's like i did it well i don't know what molly is but that's moly for me i feel so good in my own home it's amazing having food having fresh healthy food made i think that's that's a a treat that's an absolute treat for me i i'm perfectly happy with we have a cleaner who comes every two weeks and i think we've spend a hundred and twenty or hundred fifth i don't remember but i'm also messy in fuck and i have kids and they're messi as fucked so like you know the house gets destroyed you know my sister cleans i think four times a day in our house is putting putting toys away every you know every four hours basically so it's crazy but i don't know people care about this but i guess my my my the point i trying to make is i think sample this episode is already like totally rinse off the way to go with it i think sampling your lifestyle is super important i'll give you one more story here that that helps so you know that i did a podcast from vegas i said i was as that somebody's home you know a fifteen thousand square feet yeah i don't even know how i'm it's like ten ten to fifteen thousand square feet just un it looks like a hotel basically and unbelievable they they have a they have a lamb and a ferrari and a monster truck and like all this other cool shit they have all the toys there's a batting cage in the backyard there's a you know like infinity pool that looks over the city you know you can see the strip there's like everything you would want the home they got it elevator all all the crazy shit and and so anyways like i when i was there i had this feeling that i don't like that i thought i had slowed this feeling but no it came back and it was like kinda like jealousy it was like i was and the way i knew it was because i was like kinda poo poo like oh i don't need all this i'm happy without all this and i was kinda like in my head trying to like almost say why i didn't want these things because actually i felt bad that i didn't have all these things like this weird psychology thing but the simple way of explaining it was like i felt these like little hunger pan of of envy of like oh i want that and i was like oh that's not a good feeling and the shift i made was instead of feeling like oh you know these are things i don't have but they have right like it's not nothing wrong with them but just i don't have these things and and other people have them instead i looked at it differently and i was i the by the third day there i i was like i gotta shift my mindset i'm not trying to have this jealousy feeling in my my day is not a cool feeling for me so i was like alright what i'm gonna shift it to and i said oh how about i look at this like a like i'm at i'm getting a a sample platter here so these are things i can have these are things i can have in the next few years you know things go right in my business i i can afford all these things so why don't i feel like what it feels like to wake up in a in a mansion like this why don't i feel like what it's like to to have a basketball court in a batting cage you know built into the home why don't i feel what it's like to to drive this car and now i'm all of a sudden feeling excited oh what do i get to try today that's like you know i get to go try on something that i might have in the future did you did you drive this for yeah so i get to test drive the stuff and feel like what like you know what does it feel like you like it no i for me cars are stressful like i don't like fancy cars are very stressful to me and they're kind of like uncomfortable like i don't really get off on it there's probably like a version of a car that i like but not the like super cars basically super cars are not something i want and so i got to figure out what do i not want and then oh actually this feels really good it feels really good to have you know the this home gym built into my home so okay you know why don't i do that and you know why don't i why don't i go for that then so i think that sampling is not only just an effective way to figure out what you want it's also a cure for jealousy because when you're in those situations where you're jealous switch it to thinking of it like i'm just getting to try before i buy before i have all these things i get to sample them and figure out what exact flavor of this i'm gonna want and then it becomes yours instead of feeling like it's theirs and you don't have it i have that feeling with them so we have this guy in the podcast a while ago we should have him back on again his name's is nick bai b a r e nick bear he runs bayer performance nutrition or some bp vpn had a big youtube channel right and a huge youtube channel this guy came out with us he came out with this his content production is so freaking good so he's got this supplement business that does like twenty or thirty million in revenue a lot but when we had him on it was like six million revenue or or something like that it wasn't like it was good but it wasn't significant and he created this youtube channel he's like good looking like yolk like he's a massive dude but he so he lifts weights and he's this muscle head but he's really cool and now he's in doing endurance sports and so on his youtube channel which now when we had him on i think it had like two hundred thousand subscribers now getting close to a million seven eight hundred thousand he did this thing he's got this whole team behind his his youtube channel he's got like three or four guys working full time on it he released a forty five minute documentary about him running the lead one hundred the lead one hundred is a hundred mile rates to the mountains of lead colorado and you basically i it looked like it was like laps or something of like fifteen or twenty miles and he had these guys at checkpoints to film him and i was watching this guy it was the most inspirational shit i've ever seen i'm gonna go and buy like i don't even know what bear nutrition sells because whenever never i my weight protein i just go to whole foods and i just buy like you know like or in amazon i'm purposely gonna go out of my way to buy his stuff have have you been paying attention to nick bear i don't doesn't show on my youtube page i need to subscribe that starts to show up with my feet dude you gotta watch this guy it is the crate so he's ex military you're the only figure i watch laura we could talk about that in a second but he this he's inspired me to like take it to the he is so crazy this guy is nuts like they he has a video of him like dead lifting five hundred and fifty pounds which is a shit ton of weight and then he goes and he runs a marathon in like two hours and fifty five minutes which is very very fast and he's the biggest guy doing it it's very interesting so i've been watching this guy and i have this like pretty big sense of jealousy where i'm like i wanna be doing that and so that's why i'm doing this little fitness influencer shit now and it's kind of a joke but not really a joke and to be honest it's so fun dude you totally have to do this it one hundred percent makes you accountable and makes you exercise harder yeah i love it i have to so i sample george gym so i went to your house sample george i was like wow amazing and then i called you the other i was y what are you using for the flooring and what are you doing for this what are you doing for that give me the give me this the the the blueprint because i'm turning my garage into your garage i i'm like that is a great that was such an amazing feeling to work out there i wanna have that feeling on a daily basis so dude it's way cheaper than you think i know i i i didn't even take a it's not even a lot of money but it's more like it's more of having the clear vision of what you want and seeing yours was like oh now i know what i like and i'm i just have some additions some modifications i'm like oh my daughter who's too she loves to come out when i'm working out and she loves to work out with me side by side which is just like she just wants to be to wants to do little things next to me so we're creating a little workout play pen where she can go in there with little phone weights and do her thing while i'm doing mine so i'm like okay i'm gonna craft this lifestyle to be what i want and and so like you know that there's something to this sampling and i really encourage people to find a way to sample it if you wanna know what kind of home you want go air airbnb something before i did this chef thing i hired a chef for one meal to cook like a kind of a dinner for like had some friends in town like let me hire somebody off craig just to make one meal like i don't wanna deal i we can go out to eat but wouldn't it be cool if a chef came to our house and did it and like the cost is about the same of you know taking my friends out to a restaurant so let me just do that at home and it was amazing and so having that chef at the at the home was like a good way to test these things and so that's my kind of challenge to anybody who has made it through this random episode which is like think about the shit that you have been telling yourself you want and figure out a way to go sample it like in the next week go rent the car go hang out at someone's house go shadow a ceo go you know hire the chef for the day do do like the sample of it and figure out does it make you want it ten times more or ten times less because usually that's the reaction i have when i when i feel it for the first time real and i want it way more or way less i'm curious the people are gonna like this rambling i like this stuff but i don't know i wonder what what people will enjoy because i i could talk about this shit all day i like this this fitness crap as building the life that you want crap i love this stuff ben ben chime in here what do you what do you think ben i can only speak from like my perspective which is i'm really into the charter city stuff so that like i really liked that and prison stuff think is gonna be interesting to anyone so it it worked for me and teddy roosevelt i mean come on you that would be on there so are you gonna do do teddy roosevelt is the most prolific person i have ever read about i've read hunt maybe over a hundred biographies he is likely the most active person i have ever read he has done so much amazing stuff this guy's a freak teddy roosevelt is a fan where is where is the how to take of the world episode on teddy roosevelt he of i would say of the people that that people bring up that they want me to do teddy roosevelt is probably number two gang con probably number one that people mentioned and teddy roosevelt all them do so it'll it'll dude roosevelt is like he's different than napoleon like napoleon did a lot but roosevelt is far more ec he like before he was even in politics when he was twenty one he wrote a book on the spanish american war and it was considered a textbook for decades and then he wrote a couple more books he became president obviously that's amazing he was like this avid hunter and this zoo out zoo out what is it when you collect animals and like describe like the the where they come from and things like that like darwin shit he did that type of crap before he was like an thirties very prolific very interesting person you gotta read about teddy roosevelt very intriguing what book are you reading the rise of ted of teddy roosevelt i think there's like three of good because i know of them there's one that came out fairly recently it's really popular now about his trip to the amazon with in life the other matt was amazing the guy was ridiculous he also has this book that i'm thinking about reading this title is beautiful it's called a strenuous life and so he had this phrase where he was like so roosevelt would like at even when he was president every morning he would box like fight box like spa he loved and he was like it's our like we have to live the strenuous life where we put in effort physical effort and we get hurt sometimes and we struggle is like you we have to do that otherwise you're never gonna feel like a man or or a human being and so i've been very inspired by teddy roosevelt very interesting person that's funny you know i'm i'm listening ben i'm listening to the vladimir putin episodes that you did on the on how to take over the world and i'm i'm only i'm i'm on part one and i love that he was like the opposite of what you're describing because when sam describes these people it's like holy shit these are just like another species it's like a guy who's done this and this and this and this all before the age of thirty and the best part of about the putin thing was you were like up until thirty he basically had a very sort of like average average life there's nothing remarkable that would tell you that this guy's is about to become what putin ended up becoming there was like little hints little signs a couple moments but you know by and large it was like you know mediocre mediocre student you know kinda like low level low level you know spy not not you know put in this like random random office not in the high highest level and then that was all till thirty and then i am i'm guessing it because haven't listened a part two yet but i'm guessing that obviously it's gonna turn up and he's gonna end up you know becoming the laser leader of the country but it was so crazy to me that he was un unreliable essentially till thirty was that surprising to you yeah and the the the moment that you're talking about is like he was kind of like a mid level operative in saint petersburg and i think the guy that he worked for lost an election so he's like out of a job and he was gonna go just like start j jim in saint petersburg russia yeah because he's like pretty good sounded like just like he's wife somebody office he's like in scranton he's just a mid level and he's assistant to the regional manager and then somehow becomes you know it's like if dwight became elon musk that's sort like what happened with putin mid level officer to like you know president do you think ben that he is actually the richest person in the world no i don't so insofar as like do i actually think he has like whatever a hundred billion dollars in secret accounts probably not but it's like it kinda doesn't matter because he has access to as much money as he wants whenever he wants no do so he probably just doesn't have to he like doesn't have to go all that money to his account he scares me ma'am so rich he doesn't wanna either for his account he freaks me out man putin scares the shit out of me sam have you listened to this after to the putin one there's a no i i dude i i i fear him and so i've been nervous to listen to it the if there's a line at the beginning that i love this like it's like there's little little anecdote it's like he was kinda like not a great student in school and just like wasn't very interesting i the teacher is like he's smart but he's not that interested in school and so the teacher tells his dad like you know he's not living up to he's not living up to his potential and the dad like as just like as a russian dad would is like most most russian shit ever he goes so what do i kill him or what do i do like those that what's the response so much should i do kill him i was like wow oh my god most russian thing ever dude he's freaked me out man a lot of the russians scare me that's kinda like why i like could be in the because the russians like freaked me out they they on another level they're on another level there's levels to it let's just put it this one level i've never seen a rush doing a podcast russians don't do right they live a harder life than us they're doing more and more tough shit than than sitting in front of a microphone i never even seen a russian smile like they don't i was like they don't i think i've almost had big like a so smiling in rush weakness if you saw russian and he wink at you what would what would happen anybody there's this comedian who like talks about like he's like you know like one time i was going through this bad neighborhood and i was nervous and i and he was this guy's is a white guy and i was nervous and and he goes someone came up to me talk me and asked me like a question that i thought that they're were just like trying to like tricked me into like you know testing me to see where you know if they're gonna rob me or not and he goes immediately i just spoke at a russian accent and immediately they were afraid afraid of me walked away and he's like this is my defense mechanism he just says of course i know like are you in this like horrible rush like do i know where i am of course do you like you like says this like scary thing to this guy he like walks away from entirely and that's his defense mechanism from now and is just speaking of a russian accent that's amazing if i do that in indian next that i just get beat up on the spot so yeah doesn't work to same alright we should wrap it up i was just i was gonna say something i was gonna stick up for the russians a little bit i visited russia with with my wife she speaks a little bit of russian and my experience was like there they are very much like that like they're kinda rough and like a little scary or whatever but there were a couple times where like like my phone wasn't working and like we needed to get to the transition in an hour or like we were gonna miss our flight and everything gonna go wrong and like people were more willing to go out of their way and like literally walk with us for like five blocks make sure we found the exact right spot than anywhere else ever been so it's like they have this very tough exterior but once you get past it they're like there and obviously we're joking if you are russian we have love for you but we're i thought we were complementing the whole time i was say don't poison in sand don't feel i was say how bad as they are everything i said i stand behind as a compliment you know even just the cities dude saint petersburg do we have anything on the level of the word moscow s saint these just sound tougher than american cities right like whenever i hear the word of the kremlin or kremlin i'm like i freak out yeah exactly the kremlin gary word bro we have the tampa bay it's this is not the comparable what we have yeah know it's just they're on another another level of tough like denver can you imagine it's just put it just put denver up against moscow america america's just not where it's at alright i gotta go i'm just before i get canceled for for for praising the russians