Lessons Learned from Interviewing Tim Ferriss, SaaS Business Ideas for OnlyFans, and More

so he's written i think five or six best selling business books non fiction business books and business life hack type books and if he was gonna do just another one of those it would've have been like okay cool like you know going back to the you know what butter is your brand right that's that makes sense but instead he's like i'm gonna build like a world like game of thrones he's like i'm a bit all day or like this like i'm it's an entire fantasy world all the characters or rooster okay there's eight houses they compete in the great games and they do this like you know then you know there's a war and there's different classes and this well all the all the things like if you create like a a sort of a giant fantasy like you know tolkien or or georgia r martin style thing and along with it there's like basically an nxt which you can buy that basically is not like is is literally just like you're buying a piece of art and you're buying a ticket into the entertainment of like watching him build this world what's up in this episode we're talking about hanging out with tim ferris a guy that we've looked up to for a long time and some of the insights that he he shared with us we talk about meeting a real estate billionaire and his model how he built from scratch in seven years to about a billion dollars in real estate assets we talked about the opportunity to build saas tools for only fans you're you're gonna wanna hear that and then last but not least sam got a a friend who's created his own i don't know religion sort of like the amish people who love money kinda it is almost like amish people who love money i'm going to this thing i'm gonna give big update on it next week but in this episode when we start off i'll tell you a little bit about it i think you're gonna dig it but yes that's the episode listen up alright we live can i tell you about an interesting call ahead with with your old pal tim ferris i'm so eager to hear this i only asked you a few questions because i was waiting to to hear about this so i interviewed tim ferris because he's got like a new n project that came out today or it's coming out today and one early day you should yeah called cock punch right so i was like okay what what's that about and i was yeah you should come on the milk road and like tell your story and blah blah blah and i've met tim ferris one time in my life you've met him a lot more than that i think because he was an investor in the hustle and was kind of like it lived around the same areas as here whatever but i met him one time and i guess i'll i'll i wanna tell you three things one it's pretty interesting to meet people who you've really gotten to know through their content what what was it the only fans girl who came on here called at the para social relationship where it's like i feel like i know a lot about you and to you i'm a complete stranger but you know i i feel like we're close friends because i know so much about you and you don't even know who the hell i am that's how i feel with him first that's how people feel with you and i have bet yeah it happens with with you and i and you know i was like well and it's just like a weird dynamic it's not no it's not like bad or good it's it's like a strange dynamic it's a natural thing that happens with content like this so i read the four hour workweek week when i was in college and i got you know before covid nineteen there was the four hour fever and the four hour fever was what happened to you right when you read that book for the next four hours you question every part of your life and you start fever dreaming about quitting everything you know hiring a va to do your job going and living in argentina and you know like basically creating some online passive income business is gonna give you seven k a month because that's your freedom number and so like and i know this because everybody i gave the book too i'm like look you might wanna clear the schedule because you're gonna have the four hour fever as soon as you're done with this like just don't make plans because whatever they are they're gonna get busted by this and sure enough if that's exactly what happened so far our work was one of those books that i found to be really really life changing informative life changing especially at the time that i read it i was twenty twenty one years old trying to figure out what i wanted to do with my life and it was a new it was somebody saying you know here's how i live and it was totally different than anybody else okay so that's how i knew him you knew him in a different way could you describe how you knew him and then i wanna tell you some of the takeaways i had from this interview so i initially met him when i i was coming home at six am from the hospital after i got a kidney stone my wife was driving me and i was sitting in the passenger seat and i was super messed up on morphine and all types of drugs and i pull up to my house and i go sarah what the hell tim bears dude in front of our house and i see if i go tim sup bro what are you doing here and he's like oh look on the he's like oh sick hey got cares for the kidney stones and i just sounded like a total asshole and then two days later i see him again i go tim what's going on man i just wanna apologize i i was come from the hospital i was hopped up when drugs but i'm a huge fan that's cool that your your you live around here and then through that we just started walking our dogs like in the park everyone's mouth together and i would just him in the park then a few weeks later i get an email from tim saying hey i wanna learn about emailing i like the hustle teach me about it can you go out you can when you meet me at this rush in my neighborhood i go and meet him at that restaurant and he goes oh what the hell you're the dog guy i go what's man he goes why don't you and so i basically he colby emailed me and i never told him who i was and it was a total coincidence and and that's how i got to know so i wanna say two things one i'm gonna tell people my philosophy about meeting people that you kind of you know admire or you think highly of in some way and the main trick that i have is i admire parts of people not the whole totally and this is a key key thing that i think a lot of people get wrong they look at it it's a binary yes or no thing oh this person do you love them or do you do you you hate them right are they the best are they the worst right are they are they your hero or they not your hero and i never think like that because when you meet people you see this like full three sixty picture of them and you're like oh like no for example i'm at tim ferris and who's actually quite quiet in person in the first time i'm this super quiet he's a little bit introverted or shy and and then when he did say things i was like oh wow that's like a little bit of the tim ferris that i i you know i've i've heard or followed coming out but also i was like you know even though i love ten things about this guy there's a couple things about him that i wouldn't wanna emulate right there's six things i'd wanna copy let's say about the way that tim ferris lives his life but i was like oh you know something this really important me is like let's say kids are having a family and i don't know if it's important to him or not i don't know that well but he doesn't have that so i don't wanna i don't wanna be him right i don't wanna be a hole but there's parts of him that i think are awesome that i would love to steal for my game and i think about this with i imagine you like standing over him and he's just sitting down and you're poking them with a stick and you're like come on tell me live hacks like come on yeah basically what you do with your kidneys stuff things like you're seem of these on your feet do yeah what's i man maybe you should ask a doctor and so same thing with tony robbins i love tony robbins but do i love the whole tony robbins no i love parts of tony robbins and some people are like dude what about that thing he did i thing he said like god i don't i mean i don't know about that and if he did those that that would be bad but i love his public speaking i think he's amazing at that i'm that's what i try to steal for right or i love his mindset around x y z that's what i've adopted from that's been really helpful and this other stuff that's either non applicable or not admirable oh it's fine i don't take that right i'm just walking through the farmer's market picking up little bits and pieces of people and being like oh you know like conor mcgregor now is like basically looks like he's like a roi head you know like don't know he's got allegations of sexual assault but he's just cooked out i don't no know guy's nuts but like conor mcgregor from the years two thousand and fifteen to through two thousand and eighteen yeah you know what they call the young hungry connor that's the connor i liked that was the things that drew a lot from and i don't let the other stuff really tarnish that because i'm just only looking for the good and the bad i just say oh somebody else can pick that that bad apple up i'm not taking that out alright so what about great so that's just my general philosophy week okay so let me tell you some of the nuggets that i took away from this interview because it was supposed to be i mean frankly speaking it was supposed to be like ta ferris comes on the mil that's cool that's a sort of like a bucket list item thing for me but you know for him obviously it was a good way to get the word out about n nfc project so i thought i i went it with like you know pretty low expectations generally when somebody goes on to like announce the launch of something they're kinda just shi that thing he didn't do that so that was kinda cool and he said a bunch of things that were i would i would say life advice or money advice i thought were interesting do you want the money or the life one first money alright money one so i was like what tim what are you doing crypto prices are crashing what are you doing are you making any adjustments do you look at the prices he's a crypto guy by the way yeah he said he bought crypto bought bitcoin for the first time but like late twenty twelve and been accumulating kind of sense he's like it's a you know significant thing for me not like you know not everything but it's significant he said last year q three twenty twenty one he sold enough to cover like i feel like he kind of covered his cost basis and banged a little bit of a win and then the rest he's just like you know holding to to to see how hell plays out and he was like he said a couple of interesting things he goes i've made most of my money mistakes selling early selling too early and he gave a bunch of examples he goes you know i owned i was the first adviser in shopify super early on and i own pre ipo shares of twitter and facebook and as soon as they went public you know you know yeah know so they were they they grow they go public and you know in that first year they all hit like turbulent times and they you know stock went way down he's like i just soon as the lock up was over i just sold because stocks going down i was kind of a novice in public markets frankly still a bit of a novice in public markets i didn't know what to do so i just sold all of he's like yeah all of it i think he didn't specify that but it me made it sound like all of it wow and he's like those are massive financial mistakes you know like selling facebook shopify at twitter like right when they went public you know six months after when the lock ends is you know he's like these are you know hideous financial mistakes that i made he's like and it wasn't because i he's like there's he's like go he's like so i learned what when do you sell so he goes i now go into any i i only buy if i know what conditions i would sell under he's like so most people have no exit plan they don't know when they would sell how long they plan to hold or what would cause them to sell he's like i now have a plan when i go in i know what would trigger me to sell so if i'm gonna deviate from that plan i better have a really strong reason because the second thing is i don't sell now because you know the price went down i sell if something i believe before i now have new information that tells me that's not true anymore or i'm surprised about he's like so for crypto for example he's like i haven't sold but i haven't sold up because i'm like you know more confident than ever he was frankly i just haven't done the homework to go figure out where any of my initial assumptions wrong i haven't done that homework yet and he's like that's what i'll i'll go talk to my smart friends the ones who will help me get into this and i'll say you know is there anything that you used to believe that you no longer believe about crypto or anything that any red flags that have come up for you that didn't go in line with your initial hypotheses i wanna hear those before i make a decision on what i wanna do i thought that was extremely reasonable and i thought that the the sort of selling early mistake is something that you know i i i've shared on the pod too then you know like i sold tesla early when there was like you know i basically lost five million i'm lost out on five million dollars had i held but i you know there was a bunch of bad news that i didn't know what to do and so then i just sold right and and by the way for the shopify example it looks like six months after it was around two dollars and fifty cents a share at its peak at its peak peak it was a hundred and fifty dollars so that's something like you know a million dollars of shares that he had which he definitely could have had would have been like fifty million dollars which is like very substantial and so you know he was pointing out you know my mistakes in investing haven't been buying the wrong thing the biggest mistakes have been selling the right thing too early and you know that i think that might be you know he's like i don't know if this applies anyways like for me that has been you know some of my largest kid of missteps okay so then the second thing he was talking about this project that he's doing this project and i was like so this is kinda crazy i don't know if you know what he do you know what he's doing do you know i know that he's always been interested in non fiction writing oh sorry fiction writing like he's always wanted to write like stories and for some reason he hasn't until now right and i think this is like his first fictional story or book or series of podcasts that it comes with an nxt right yeah exactly so he's written i think five or six best selling business books non fiction business books and business life hack type books and he was gonna do just under another one of those it would've have been like okay cool like you know just going back to the you know what butter is your bread right that's that makes sense but instead he's like i'm gonna build like a world like game of thrones he's like i'm gonna build a whole thing or like this like i'm it's an entire fantasy world all the characters are rooster okay there's eight houses they compete in the great games and they do this like you know then you know there's a war and there's different classes and this well all the all the things like if you create like a a sort of a giant fantasy like you know tolkien or or georgia or martin style thing and along with it there's like basically an n nxt which you could buy that basically is not like is it's literally just like you're buying a piece of art and you're buying a ticket into the entertainment of like watching him build this world out it's a book like one book it's not a book it's like i think it's just like long because he's like i've written in ten thousand words but i don't think he's gonna release it like a book i think he's gonna release in some other way like essays or chapters or podcasts and like other k he's playing with different formats i don't think he knows exactly how he wants it to come out yet so anyways pretty interesting i was like dude so why are you doing he's like well he sent a couple nuggets and he goes you know i'm having the most fun when i'm creating something and that's what gets me to flow state and so she's he's like so i knew i wanted to create something and i wanted to if i just did another non fiction book i don't feel like i would have that magical feeling of being challenged and satisfied at the same time yeah and so he goes he goes he goes i talked to the guy from who did steven pre redfield who i think wrote the war of arts yeah and he goes he goes you know he has this concept of a muse which is like the project you're working on or like you know the thing that you're you're you're playing with and he goes you're doing your muse a disservice if you don't go big and he goes so i decided like if i'm gonna do this i'm gonna go big and he goes big is not i have to write like an eight thousand word book or whatever like a eight thousand page book like this big doesn't mean like literal volume big means i have to go to a point where i'm uncomfortable with this and my friends are calling me and they're saying tim are you okay sure and this is what you wanna do and he's like that's how i know that i've like pushed it into a a realm that's like something interesting is gonna happen how i deal this yeah what's with this podcast what do you mean no with him coming up with a non fiction thing called or a fiction thing like i wanna call him and be like i'm like yeah i'm like you know you have nothing to lose here because like you know you're set you're fine and if this is creative that's cool but like it's kinda weird what are you what what are you doing man i why you're okay yeah exactly and he goes that's when i'm gonna basically do the things that are off the beaten path something that i haven't done before or something that is new and interesting and novel and so that's how he was talking about this thing i was like okay i love that advice the second thing he said i i loves along those lines he goes he goes i go so i go what if we're just sitting here like you know a year from now just got a beer we're like dude what happened with talk much man that story was that was gonna be that project was crazy like where did it all go wrong like if it if it all goes wrong what do you think your answer will be if we're we're looking back at it a year from now and it's just like the yeah that went that went totally wrong what is the core risk he goes i've thought about this a lot to good question he goes if i end up managing the project instead of creating it i think it will have all gone wrong and he goes because a he goes he goes anything great comes from you know staying at it he goes so i have to do the things that give me energy because without the energy there is no endurance and that like really resonated with me he's was like you know with no energy there is no endurance he goes so i gotta spend my time on the things that i give me energy for me that's drawing and that's creative writing so i have to do those parts that's also the parts that those are my superpower that's what i'm good at and i'm trying hear better like like like he did get had a background was like illustrations and comics like that's how he made and stuff like that yeah he's like a sketch artist and i think that's what he originally wanted do was be a cartoon and somewhat a fascinating so and so he was like you know those are my powers i gotta spend the time on that if i just end up spending time managing this thing and it feels like a lot of administrative work i know that for me that gives me no energy therefore no endurance therefore i won't stay stay with it therefore the great things won't happen and i thought the self awareness was really key and this is something that i know as i think about my next projects these are the types of like you need to have like these strong ass pillars or tenants of like this is what it this is what i am doing and this what i'm not doing and if i do this i think it'll work and if i don't do this i know that i will have trouble and i think that self awareness is pretty baller dude that's awesome he's he's always been a pretty wise person even like you know i think he wrote for hour workweek week when he was maybe a little bit younger than you and i like at he might have been only thirty when he wrote it and he always was pretty wise man he he's he's he's always had like interesting insight and that's a really good insight about the energy and the endurance thing he had another one that goes he goes i go so i was on the topic of failure he goes he goes i should first say that i kinda rigged the deck in my favor and i was like what do you mean he goes you know i i go into a project thinking how do i win even if this fails how do i succeed even if the sales and so he goes i think about it in terms of sure there's the like you know do a lot of people read this thing and you know does this become popular does it become financially successful sure those are things but like he's like i want to win even if those hard things don't happen so you he goes i will only pick projects if i know that the act of doing it the creative process of doing it is gonna be awesome if the people i'm gonna meet along the way doing this are gonna be awesome and if the skills that i'm gonna develop doing this are gonna make me more awesome and so she goes if i do those three things if i know that the skills the knowledge and the network that i acquire along the way is gonna make it worth it for me then i don't have to stress about the the popularity of financial income because i'm gonna win in either case i'm gonna when if if just those things happen or i'm gonna win even bigger if the other happens so he goes i pick projects where i can stack the deck in my favor and that's what i've done here and is this still the life it or the money advice of the life one now we're in the life advice yeah dude he's good man he's a really interesting guy i what's he doing now so he just like is he is he treating that as like that's been his like forty hour work week like that's been his job job for yeah he been he's just going hang on this for like you know close to a year now and he's like i dude i've just put so many so many hours into this he's like yeah and which is funny because people are criticizing like oh dude you doing an n nxt or just like another celebrity doing an n just to cash grab and i like i told him this on the calls was like dude that's crazy to be first of all he's donating a hundred percent of the proceeds to like his charity that does like the research arm like psychedelics stuff like that to treat ptsd so so all the primary sales are going there right so that's like you know mostly you know that's a huge chunk of the financial reason you would do it the second thing is if you just count like the number of hours it takes to do this world building type of thing like he's gotta be working for minimum wage just basically just in terms of the number of hours it takes to create something like this and third he was gonna do a cash grab n he would done it last year he wouldn't be launching it now and he wouldn't be giving away the money to to charity and he would be like doing it in a way that's like not doesn't require him to like build out this whole fictional world like he would just be like hey here's a picture hey meet this yeah this gives you five minutes to talk to tim ferris right that's what he would do is it's just like a cash grab if you wanted to do it and so i thought that was like you know dude in funny criticism tim has like a really interesting celebrity ryan holiday has this too and i know don't know if you guys that that have had this where there's people i look up to and then there's people who the people i look up to look up to so like ryan and tim they both get like all these football coaches all these like politicians these rich billionaire types all these interesting like powerful traditionally powerful people will reach out to them in like hey sensei show me the way what can i do about this what should i do next and i have always found that type of celebrity to be incredibly fascinating and so like i mean he'll tim will like not in a bad way but he'll like name drop all these stories like on the pod but yeah you know was with ed ed norton recently and he was telling me like this this and this and i was trying to help him like figure out what do you know like he like tells these stories or like when i was jamie fox he was asking me about this and i've always found that celebrity to be so fascinating i've always wonder what his life is like i also i asked him another question i i go you know you're one of the most like prolific interviewers you've done i don't know six hundred episodes of of interviews on your podcast one other top i don't know five or ten podcast podcasts in the world and i i go you know if you had a chance to sit down with sam bank fried and interview them you got a couple hours with them how would you approach it and i thought his answer was pretty interesting so he goes he goes it's a tricky one because i don't know going in how much of what he's gonna tell me is the truth or a lie and so he goes but i'll tell you how i would approach it given that that's the problem like he goes first i would my goal initially is just to get him off of his party lines get him off of his p script and so he's like i would go and i would try to talk to as many of his old friends and coworkers as i can and ask them y if i if you you know you must be surprised at what's happened here if you could ask sam one question just genuinely hurt to heart what would you wanna know the answer to that i can maybe ask on your behalf and then he's like i did he's like then in the interview i would use their name to kinda soften soften him up a little bit now know i talked to james who you know was your called and knew you before any of this stuff right when you were just a guy blah blah yeah he said he would wanna know this like what would you say to james because it's like saying to james versus saying to think it's like interesting so i thought that was an interesting tactic he goes that gives me good research but also maybe can get him to just like deviate from the same repetitive loop of answers he's gonna give to everybody else he it's the second thing saying he i'd be pretty direct i go what percent of what you say to you know before we do this what percent should i assume is true of the things that you're gonna tell me is it a hundred there's it less than a hundred and like you know if it's less than a hundred i understand that but why hey you guys another version of that would be you're doing a lot of media what do you what do are your lawyers think of what you're doing he's like because they might make him laugh and get him to talk kinda talk about his motivations for why he's doing an interview like this because it seems kinda counterintuitive intuitive to be doing all this stuff no lawyer would tell you to tell go go on do this up he goes the last thing he goes he goes you know i would he he goes i would he goes i just wanna know the guy's fundamental beliefs because it seems like he's not stupid he's got good hardware upstairs and that's why i wanna know what its beliefs are you know and am i just supposed to assume that he's just a bad person he was a criminal minded person and for a long time he planned to do this criminal behavior or was he did he have the right intentions and then somewhere along the way made a bad ethical decision under some stress or pressure and that led him down a path of making the wrong decisions you know like and he's like that's what i'd be trying to figure out and you know i would try to to understand you know his you know he's thinking around that and tell him that's what i wanna know i wanna understand that i thought that was pretty cool so i'll i'll wrap up with one last story about tim so then this what you're saying kind of like he'll he'll save these things sometimes in interviews as if he's coming off the cuff or that he's like just thinking out loud i have never met someone like him who prepares for everything he prepares for every single thing and this is quite different than you and you and i are are totally cool improvising and you would think someone like him who's interviewed all these people whereas has talked publicly for so many hours that they can improvise maybe he can but for my experience he is not someone who improvise and he everything he says the words are chosen very very specifically and so you like he'll say this line like oh i don't play a doctor on tv and i don't pretend to do that like i'll always say that line and like that's just like he must have heard that somewhere is like okay that's actually a good line to get that's a good brand message arm yeah i'm gonna keep saying and so another thing that he'll do is like one time i interviewed him for the hustle and i interviewed him on the phone and then i transcribe transcribed it and there was a instances where i made an air so he was right to yell at me and he didn't yell at but he was just like no this is that's not what i said and we're talking about like i i would write the word hadn't instead of had not he said had not and i wrote hadn't so i was in fact wrong and he like very specifically called that out and he did that so or he's like no there shouldn't be a comma here there should be a period and then a new sentence or like these like incredibly incredibly if if he did that that he's gonna be pissed at this interview because i definitely dude you know move stuff around to help him no what i he does not like that it i don't blame him he is so specific about his brand and in fact if you go and see the like for example there's this conference called two twelve that i went to and tim went and he gave a testimonial for it and if you read the testimonial it's very specific where in his head he's like what i can't endorse anything like but i but i can't say is you know adam hosted a great conference they're wonderful he's he's a wonderful person or like like you know like some people will ask us you and i like i'm asked you to do a testimonial testimony for something and you're like just write whatever no not him everything about his brand like what you see out in public and what he writes he is very specific and it's all incredibly well thought out so like we almost had him speak at a conference or something like that and we just like went through we just start chatting about it and he was like wanting to know exactly who all was there and i'm like what do you mean dude why does it matter to just like fucking wing it just talk and like that's not his style at all like it it was all incredibly precise well thought out it's all and everything had a purpose and i've i've always found that to be very admirable about him because i remember being pissed off when he didn't yell at me but like he kinda like had a tone where he's like no that's not what i said this is what i said i remember being upset about that and then i was like no man he's right he's he he's has a brain and he's sticking to it and i always thought that was really interesting yeah well alright tim i'm sorry i did definitely chop and chop up the interview to to try to make it shorter and better to go live went to go live it's it's already live too late tell me if he replies to you that's gonna be the follow i bet you he will he he it he's very specific about it i and i appreciate that you're you're right i had told him i was like he's like he's like yeah i'll do you know just send me the questions in so i wanna make sure i can prepare and do do the best job i can and i was like well i don't know the questions i'm gonna ask you so i okay guess i'll do the work now and i did it and then he's like okay cool for this question i think we should do this and this on this but i was like wow this is like way more in depth than anybody and then even during the thing he's like he's like did an audio video test earlier blah blah blah it should be good because he's like you know whatever in some foreign country right now and he's like you know i and then on some of the answers she's like okay stop can we can i read you that i think i just not being clear there and then he would like to do again and i was like wow we're so different but i get why being the way that you are leads you to have the type of brand and and success that you have i am so different than that i am like you know complete i'm basically like the equivalent of a food fight and he's like a michelin star restaurant exactly you're like so fascinating throw mashed potatoes around and get it everywhere and he's like you know drive that perfect place and i remember where we're with our dogs like walking and i go oh that's a cool dog leash and like or like cool dog collar or something and he and i was just expecting him and be like oh yeah i god amazon is pretty great he was like oh this thing you see this comes from like this rare like african horse hair and like he had like some in story about it and that was my and then i noticed every time something like we had these conversations everything about his life it felt very purposeful high intent intentional yeah thought that was fascinating yeah that's cool it really highlights like it's like you see a twelve out of ten at being very intentional and then you're like oh wow i thought i might have been an eight or a nine actually i'm a four totally it's very scale our software is the worst have you heard of hubspot see most crm are a cobb together mess but hubspot is easy to adopt and actually looks gorgeous i think i love our new crm our software is the best hubspot grow better alright you wanna do another one of yours yeah let's do some other topics okay so where do you wanna shift to maybe some ideas what's it's spotify interesting or real estate insights i that's i'm interested in that you said maybe but let me give you the real estate thing real quick so i talked to somebody i can't say their name but i like to who has hat who has built i would say in the last seven years i think it is yeah seven years they've built a real estate portfolio owning about a billion dollars of real estate assets where with forty percent debt so sixty percent is equities so about six hundred million of of equity in these properties and do i know started seven years ago from zero and has zero ability to like zero networks zero ability to borrow only like skills the new thought they knew what they were doing and they were able to build this okay so i was talking to him and i was like i was like huge and he does retail in a specific he he does retail real estate so basically or i guess in their world they were call commercial but what i mean is like retail stores so he'll buy a shopping center and the shopping center will have a you know a hobby lobby and you know a starbucks and whatever and there's like you know spots and he'll basically own that center and then he'll he'll get at least buy it he'll build on it he'll lease it up and then he'll either hold it or or sell it after that and he's basically compounded his money i think about i i was doing the calculations afterwards these compound powder money about sixty percent a year for like just seven years or something like that even it maybe even a little bit more and so i think sixty percent was the minimum that i calculated that it was was possible for where where he was at i think it's it is is a little bit a little bit north of that and i was like dude i was again i was like first of all this is crazy congratulations second of all my world is that like do shopping centers like is this still a thing like i i aren't you is this not dying like in my world in the tech world we're just like everything's going online everything's commerce you know you're going you're swimming against the the current and echo go am i just wrong about that or what's going on how do i mean folks are always gonna need a lobby to hobby bro like they're they're there they're going in real life like so so that's what he said he goes you're right he goes but there are some specific trends some specific categories that are going completely anti train and expand money probably because i go i how does it work he goes like what's your edge like what are you doing differently than anybody else because you're getting a dramatically better result than anybody else i know in real estate he goes well i'll get a call from you know the owner of you know whatever dollar general or something like that and they'll say hey literally not the owner like like an executive like someone an executive there you mean could be the ceo could be the head of of real estate whoever somebody somebody at the top of these companies and they'll say look we're trying to get into lexington kentucky you know we wanna be in that geo and we or we want more stores in that geo can you make this happen and i'm like and he's like so then i go make it happen go no slow down slow on i go so what why do they call you he's well they've done business with me i'm like okay great but like why aren't they just calling a broker like or somebody in lexington and he's like he's like he's just start laughing he's like he's like you know our or or even more specifically i'm like so then you have to find the right location you goes no sometimes they'll just tell me we wanna be in this location i was like why don't they just contact the guy from there and like just do the deal and he's like i'm like they have these companies have real estate teams he's like oh he's like yeah they do he's like but he's like three things he goes number one most of the owners of these places are like a pain in the ass for them to deal with he goes they know i'm easy to do business with why most owners don't wanna invest in their properties they won't do any tenant improvements i will invest money to build out the stores the way they want and because i've been willing to do that they want they would prefer to work with me over any other developer or like the average developer because i have shown that i can build fast and i will invest my own dollars into building it okay second thing and i go but doesn't that guy just think like man and if i just did this he goes yeah but it's speculation he goes i know because i have these relationships i know they'll come through that owner would have to like on spec invest in in maybe improving something part of their property in order to make it more inhabit i'll just do it and and by the way so he gets the hobby lobby like interest then he can go get a loan and tell the bank hey i got interest in this therefore not even that he'll he'll get the interest then he'll go tie up the property he'll commit to buy it he doesn't have to have the money right away he has ninety days or whatever he's got to like close ninety days sixty days whatever it is and in that time he then goes he gets hobby lobby to sign the lease then he goes to the financier he says here's a here's a property with assigned ten year lease from a you know from a a highly reputable client can i now get financing it sounds like the past business ever yeah exactly and they're like oh i'll be a lot of not go down of business anytime soon you have a ten year ten tenant yeah this is an easy this is all easy so then he was like he's like i was like okay so okay i kinda buy that the mom and pop owner of these like you know they own like one or two shopping centers three shopping centers they're not like they're more scared than they are more fearful than they are green they're not investing in okay buy that some people might fall into that what else what are your other edges he goes i don't die by paralysis by analysis he goes these guys will something on page seven of the lease will get them all tied up hey goes they'll just get like some covenant they're really worried about he goes i have like basically like standardize deal with these guys my leases are like clean and simple and like you know i'm willing to bear some risk these are not like the most iron clad bullet bulletproof every every inch of every part of my body is covered and can't be exposed he's like you know i just don't die by paralysis by analysis like these guys will just die in the deal making process of the lease because they get worried about stuff that really doesn't matter i've been doing this for long enough that i understand look if things go wrong have a plan b a plan c plan d i don't have to make plan a this completely fully insured thing mh it's okay that's interesting tell me more and he goes he goes the other thing is that they will have like you gave me some other deal making points but i i'll leave those out some of those are you know maybe a little like at a personal or secretive i guess but i go okay what about these tenants i go who are these pew who's trying to expand i thought the whole retail landscape is like shrinking and collapsing amazon's is feeling everybody he goes yes but there are certain categories so he goes anything diy so hobby lobby is an is an example of this diy people like to go in they like to see the stuff they like to have the stuff and they need a bunch of inventory in a big space so they're willing to rent these big stores he goes another one anything that caters to be black and latino community he goes for some reason those groups are not buying online as much as you know white white or indians or other other races or they're not buying online their stores are still thriving and he goes and asked them you know like why do you think it'll be like burlington to c factory you got it or things like that he's like he's like for buildings c he's like a lot of these places they're not just like oh i just need a shirt let me go buy the shirt okay if you wanted to do that amazon might be more convenient or ordering online might be more like i need a coat for a lot communities it's a hangout it's like this is the one place we go when we leave the house we go for an outing and we go to this place and he's like so that is like a big piece of like it's like part of their lifestyle is to go to stores and hang out and you have do the whole do the whole nine he's like so those stores are all thriving he goes the third one is anything that's like super low end so dollar store style sell things because they're actually cheaper than online and they don't have to have the shipping problems and so people if if you want the lowest price that's still the place to go fourth easy goes like your wife and my wife home goods and home improvement so go to home goods they it's like he goes their treasure hunt treasure hunt experiences so what's that j maxx or home maxx ross marshall home goods things like that he goes they go because there's joy and finding an amazing deal yeah and so they they don't want the most efficient experience where they just go online and they just buy the thing and they're done there's just actually like the joy of the hunt so they wanna go to this big messy store and they wanna find gems and they wanna do that and again that's their outing and that's their fun that's their hobby and so the retail store still really matters and so he gave me this is like list of categories that were like still expanding and i thought that was pretty interesting it's like some of the the nuance that you don't really pay attention to unless you're like in that field and so i just appreciated kind of talking to something super fascinating those their stuff in that area how many people work at this person's company like less than a dozen no it's probably like somewhere between twenty and thirty i would say overall man that seems like it seems too boring for me like i i i think i would for some reason i pick things that probably make less money but more dopamine hit generally boring they do high deal volume he said he had done like eighty or a hundred transactions this last year which is just and that's a doing a a real estate deal every three days basically which is just an insane amount of volume he's like there's a reason that's not normal but like the whole real estate world has shifted so i needed to shift my portfolio accordingly like what are my what are my generational holds what are my you know quick quick opportunistic buys and that what are my be properties that i need to offload because interest rates are changing in the real estate market's about to you know crash so i need to do this he goes i remember he goes i remember an oh eight i was the guy who was like i'm gonna do real estate like because real estate had been good for like you know eight straight years he's like so i was running into the burning tunnel and people are just handing me properties i'm like wow this is incredible he goes now i realize you wanna be the guy on the way out hand hey here you go but have fun i'm fun with this property yeah it's all the papers all the numbers are look good because last five years have been fantastic last seven years has been fantastic but the next seven years might not be the same and he's like you know i know now he's like now i've learned which which way to go in the tunnel when it's burning what skills or attributes does this person have you think that sets them apart extremely aggressive they are they're like you talk when you talk to them you almost feel like at any a given moment like i say are we are we are we laughing or are we fighting what's happening here like they're a very friendly person not bad not nothing wrong with that but they are aggressively minded where it's like we play to win like the way they raise their kids is to win it's like like their kids like you know if they do something bad they don't go to time out they do twenty burp and it's like you know you know that's like just like standards i go get before dinner we're gonna go run sprints and then like you that's just how we do things before dinner and like girls boys two year old ten year old doesn't matter like whoever you are this is how we how we roll now your back you disguise launch lawn care duty yeah i mean i mean like there's a there's just a play to win mentality that's the first thing second thing is giant giant chip on shoulder massive insecurity daddy didn't love me daddy was mean to me people said i wasn't shit people said i would ever be something hold on to that use that as fuel and that same thing that kind of like and you know they'll say like yeah that this stuff just bothered me anymore it's like yeah but you've brought it up to me eight times in the last three years so like i think there's like you haven't let it go that's for sure you know i think you've used it to a very very productive end for sure but that that chip on your shoulder is like you know what they said chip on shoulder equals chip in pockets chips and pockets that that's that's what's happening so that's the second trait third is amazing at deal making negotiation deal making gift of ga spends very little time in front of computer spends a lot of time in front of people or on the phone tons of time on the phone like i feel like for our generation like how much time do you did i fucking hate talking on the phone i just clicked talking to you know potential business things on the phone like i spend essentially zero and in fact if even if there's a business opportunity that i hey can't i'd love to do a call like i just tell right about hey i hate do it calls but if you write it down like i'm happy to respond yeah and i listen to just to like a voice memo though yeah like i'm not i'm not doing any of that that's hilarious yeah so this person spends a lot of time on the phone and they do that to gather tons of info and they'll just if i they're like driving a bunch they'll just dial okay i'm i'm driving four hours to go see this property in that time i'm gonna make fourteen phone calls or whatever and i'm hey brother what's going on what you seeing oh what happened to that property you head out there oh you have trouble well send me the numbers let me take a look and maybe i can help you out blah you know like and they're just constantly surfacing opportunities or information oh that guy's doing having some trouble interesting like oh this person you know they're underwater there i know hobby lobby wants to be there so i'm you know okay great let me let me make that happen and so they just find these these deals like that love that's one of the traits did i love it very different like honestly pretty standard for the real estate world of the things i said so far are like shocking to anybody that's in real estate but for us in the tech world it's a very different play style it's totally different set of strengths you know activities than what we do so for us it's like oh that's cool that's new that's crazy me dude by the way my father is like that but he owns a business where when he spends his winters in florida he brings a phone that plugs into the wall and he brings a fax machine and but it's just constantly calling like hey which got with what's you're here and what's good and like the his company you know sells millions of millions of dollars worth of stuff and it's just with a fucking phone a fax machine and mailing checks i'm just constantly calling them like hey what you got what you hearing if like that's just how the business is it's crazy man and they kill it par here talk to me that's what they do they go they go what's good brother what's going on a whole call people in nephew what's up nephew what's good you gotta we're gonna barber shop if you're give a total hot netflix gotta be nephew you gotta be black and in a barber shop i can't believe well do that just away with that that's amazing like that i'm like what's up matthew he just called people with nephew so blood it just calls me in nephew alright well you wanna do one more let me tell you about a space that i've been poking around and it it's not something i'm gonna do but there's definitely opportunity know i poke the the bee h and i heard some buzzing i don't wanna go near it but like somebody who wants honey there that's a very good analogy least together that analogy attitude why know it's really what the next word is gonna be yeah you said words coming out of your mouth not sure how the sentence is gonna end it it's only found its place wonderful yeah that's was really satisfying right so so only fans okay so we talked about all fans a bunch but let me tell you the angle that i'm thinking about here so by the way i do not give a shit about only fans everyone talks about only fans the only thing i care about is bra barbie you know who that is i think that's our dave bad bad is that a that ba what what choose say i thought it was bra i thought it's sad the barbie is in there like an r and an h and the first word just a h just the wait it's bad that's like you not bad yeah that up stupid bit i feel like you i feel like you're up to speed bad bobby when what's your day bad barbie what's bad i don't know bad baby i still has to catch me outside girl from mari but or doctor fell some bullshit anyway that's the only person i know and it's like she changed like races wait is she black now or white what is she would be white she's white now black wow google little bad baby alright whatever she she she switched she's jewish or her mom's italian she real and then and then now she's being like criticized because she's like they people say it's like modern day blackface because she's like really like changed her look like when she was on doctor phil she looked like you know i don't like a spoiled white girl or something like that and anyways whatever matter rap her name she kills it she kills it and like apparently she bought like a twenty million dollar home twenty million dollar house so whatever so so point is company crush it so they do billions of dollars in revenue the owner who's name is now public so we can talk about him leo he's a fan of the pod friend of the house he i think they he cleared or or you know like the the company cleared five hundred million in profits in twenty twenty or twenty twenty one like just an insanely profitable insanely big business okay and what is the only fans only fence is basically like a storefront where anybody can sell pictures or videos so you're selling content and so you know i do i do e commerce i come from the shopify world i know that in shopify shopify is your storefront that's your equivalent of only fans but you use like this whole host of tools around it to make your store sell better to increase sales so you'll use cla to you know grab people's email addresses and then send them automated email i know where you're going with this one you use you know this app to boost your you know two up upsell automatically right to cross sell or up upsell new products so that you increase the dollar value per customer so you use all these different things only fans kinda has none of this stuff but it has the same volume and the same like you know like seriousness of any of these other big storefront slash marketplace i have ideas and so i think there's a whole world of only fans saas tools that could be built and the they have so like but do they have an ecosystem like you don't need you don't the the they just use it on their own you don't have like plug in to only fans you just like there's not like a platform you have to go won't be approved to to sell under to be a like the way shopify does you gotta be in the shopify app but do they have like a so oh so they don't have but there's no only fan apps or no you you just you just sign up and you used use products so for example there are products that are like chatbot so what they do is somebody follows you or they subscribe either they're a free follower or maybe they're paying the five dollars a month subscription but what where you really make your money is what they call pay view and so that's where you sell like oh i did a photo shoot whatever like you know i dressed up like cat woman pay nine nineteen dollars to unlock right that piece of content and so what these bots these saas tools are doing is they basically are like hey we will go message all of your followers as if it's you being like hey did you see my cat woman thing think you're gonna love it twenty four hours later like picture three and the album was like just for you wink face whenever like this this is just a bot and what is this this is a sales rep that is going around for you doing sales and selling your content selling your product and so the all the tools today are pretty rudimentary they are pretty or they're just like they're just missing certain things from certain ecosystems and i think somebody could do what what andrew cobb andrew wilkinson did with weak commerce hundred percent where he basically rolled up a set of plugins ins and tools i think that you could do that in the only fans world now to do this why am i not doing this well i don't wanna deal with people on only fans every day i don't wanna be like selling this content every day it's not like what's it called like it's not my ic guy we're ic guy you we've put on this earth to do yeah but we got a bunch of friends who are less you little little less different about yeah different standards stuff maybe we were not gonna say lower or higher standards we'll say more wide wider there yeah no they're not left to right yeah it's not it's not a you know our bars is up here someone else bars out here it's just let's see what horse it's a little wider yeah so if you're one of these wide standard sell out there i think there's a lot of opportunity if you're office is a little wobbly and there's a whole the whole ecosystem right so you wanna start an agency only fans agencies do really really well right because they take care of the back office they take a growth for for these only fans creators i know two people personally that have built only fans like just seo optimized websites that are like search engine so it's like find to create or discover a creator search for a person no way here and they're like metric sites and they've built them and they're either like cash flowing really really well like you know to the tune of like you know a hundred grand a month of free cash flow or they sold them for like two three million is what i'm called fans metric i don't wanna say because kind of already sent some numbers so yeah there are like ben we know too personally that that did this and so metrics like in any ecosystem same thing with twitch was like there was a metrics site and the metrics site got big then there were stream labs and stream labs made it easy for somebody to like accept tips and donations and and they made like a alert system so that every time you gotta tip our donation you could automatically acknowledge that person which which leads to more tips and that stream labs became an indispensable tool for every twitch creator what is the stream labs of only fans k that's fascinating the these are the there is so much opportunity to build saas tooling for these creators to build agencies to build you know a whole bunch of different opportunities around this ecosystem because most people aren't gonna go there myself included and if you do go there the tool it's like new and growing so fast that the pie is big but it's not totally saturated the same way that shopify feels quite saturated or you know tools for i iphone developers whatever seems pretty pretty saturated do you follow have you ever seen that tiktok guy who goes up to people with fancy cars and he goes hey what do you do for a living yeah of course what's his name brandon mac i think or something mac it's awesome and yeah for some reason all of it feels like all of the ones lately have all been it's always hot girls and they like make jokes and then they i'd finally admit that they do only fans and only fans is one of those ideas when when i heard about it like five years ago i'm like who the fuck pay for that like just google it like you you'll see the same thing just like yeah google that person's name followed by the word nude and you'll like find exactly what you want like why would you pay twenty dollars a month for this and obviously they proved me wrong and it's gotten to be such a huge thing that it seems like if i go to la you see a hot girl at a fancy car like just based off my me scrolling bed at night it's like oh they're they're definitely in only the it's an only fan's model and that is like totally new and strange to me and that is what made me feel like oh this is like going to be much actually much bigger it's it's it's significantly more mainstream than i ever thought like no one would make like maybe now people won't make jokes about porn hub but like every guy out there has like five or ten porn sites that they go to it never a million years where they say out loud what it is do you know what i mean and yeah fact i'm not even gonna say any words for the rest of the segment and now it's like only fans is like a thing that like well we we talk about because it's like so mainstream street popular and i had to be incredibly fascinating like even just in the last four eight years we started mentioning the word porn hub because they would do funny skit like during the super bowl or they would like you know do fun it's like become a joke but that has just happened by the way one good idea was just to do another only fans so i forgot it's called fans or fans only i think i think fans fans is just like if you don't wanna be on only fans come on fans and they're just like well we'll we'll be number two it's fine we'll we'll make some different decisions like we allow whatever like you know i don't know what their different like cartoon creators or something like that like you can be like a digital dude or whatever like there's seven minute abs and some families is gonna be six minute apps like yeah it's the same thing that does we charge only nine percent instead of ten exactly and so and then they're doing pretty pretty pretty well like they do they do to do fairly well and and so i think there there was just this was just one of those winning ideas it was one of those really big winning ideas i don't know if i told you this by the way i had a buddy who was a vc who kinda quit his job and was gonna raise like his own fund and then he was just like he identified i think three years ago he goes only fans and i go what and he goes only fans it's gonna be massive i go i think it's already pretty big at that time it seemed pretty big for what it was i was like dude how popular can this get like that's what's it worth now you think what what could it itself or now i don't even know i don't know i think very very conservatively two billion my guess and aggressively closer to ten i don't know you know it's hard to say like the the all the market like multiples just got changed so it's hard hard to know also you know there's not that many buyers for only fans this is a problem that's what i was want getting at yeah i can't really go public and there's not that many buyers but it's super super profitable and so my buddy was like it's gonna be big i'm gonna spend the next year trying to get ownership in only fans i go what you mean like just i guess you're you're gonna reach out and he goes yeah but if it doesn't work like i'm going to find a way to get ownership and i was like what he's like yeah i'm just gonna like i'm gonna invest in it i'm gonna help them i mean do anything i can and he literally made that his mission for like a year did he get it and he did it he was able to like didn't let anybody invest but this guy was able to go in and get advisors shares by helping them out in all these different ways and he did it he got a piece of and he was right he sent me he goes i remember when twitch acquired us he goes only fans will be bigger than twitch i go bigger on the twitch in a way and i was like dude i think you've even no twitch is like one of the top six like most visited websites in america or something like that like most most traffic or something and he goes yeah you'll see and and he was right it passed twitch in terms of users and revenue in the last year and and i was like wow this guy really like called a shot of being super super bullish i'll mow me fan he was he was absolutely correct dude what this does he also owns six hundred million dollars for the real estate this guy sounds awesome no different guy yeah i mean i'm aboard i think i think you know we commerce is an interesting company we commerce is andrew wilkinson you know fan of the pod or front of the potty comes on all time their market cap is decimated right now it sucks right now but their business is is pretty good like it's a good business it's way undervalued but it i think it's an interesting model and yeah i'm i'm i'm bored with your aggressive friend who pushed his way into only fans do you do you have a pre game routine you do before this podcast i listen to music and i review all my notes that's about it like a specific song or just like generally whatever whatever's is on what i i use pandora and then i one hour before so i have my schedule locked in so the people listening we record for one hour and so we're usually here at the top of the hour then we start and then one hour before that it's my quiet time where i like review everything quiet time night well like people are like message me and i'm like yeah i can't talk you right now i'm preparing and so it's my time to like read notes and like i scan the news and i just wanna know what's going on in the world yeah my daughter has that that's great quite time i love it what do you and invented did this great thing because she's like dude my kids don't wanna sleep and they just wanna play and so she's like i gotta turn like she's like i don't even care if they're asleep i just want them to go to the room and just like not talk to me i just stay in the bed and i have fun so she created nighttime sister playtime and so it's this like hilarious thing where they're like oh it's my times just play playtime and they get to go run into their beds and like the two sisters can play together but they have to be quiet because this nice nighttime sister play time nobody else is allowed in which means don't bother mommy and daddy and i just thought what a hilarious re brand of go in the room shut the door shut up and and so that now whenever i'm doing something like even work wise like with like go workers and like our e com thing or whatever i'm like alright it's nine time sister play time like that just means like don't talk bother me with slack and don't talk to me i'm gonna go do some work now that's what i have daddy gotta go do dude just like i blame everything on the pod i'd be like hey can't prepare for the pod kit don't talk to me please because everyone knows it's like a deadline why do you have a routine i got well i kind of have one but i was making fun of myself this morning about it so my schedule similar i think to you where now the the morning is all locked in where it's like i work out at a specific time and then at the end of the workout i do my like ten minutes of like mindset stuff that i do and and it's like it's really good is everything's really healthy but it's almost comic healthy where i was doing it today and i was like i was like what am i i was like i'm that cliche tech guy that's like things have changed my fasted car yeah i do my fasted cardio and then i i you know seven and a half minutes in the sauna then i you know eleven minutes uninterrupted staring at the sun it's like i have sex for three minutes three times a day study show that better like you know i'm like doing all these like life optimization things that really i'm like i'm not a huge fan of those things because i feel like individually i like all of them but together i'm like am i this delicate that i need to be like this you know like am i like i'm not a i'm not one of these like performance f f1 cars or whatever that's like you know it has to be like perfectly balanced over i don't wanna be so fragile you you are what you are what you didn't wanna be now i think that's good you look better you look i think you look significantly better than you did three years ago that's for sure yeah but that could be could be anything who knows who knows what that could be wait let me tell you really quick i don't know if that's the morning routine that's that's been mortgage speaking of morning routines i gotta tell i i was actually excited to tell you about this so i'll tell you about it more when i'm done with it but i met this guy on twitter named isaac french do you know isaac french he's that guy but it's a strong name it's a strong name and that's why i got interested in him frankly but he like he's that guy who has back lie french i'm here with her name dude isaac crunch his name i met him on twitter he's he's the guy who he bought like a five acre plot of land and like built cabins on it and entered into an airbnb that's making like millions of dollars in sales and but he like he's only twenty five and he like architect and oh right we featured him on the pop yeah yeah have time ago and he i called you and he told you all the numbers and all that yeah and he like architect the whole thing and he like he's also an accountant so he did all the accounting and then even like hired all the builders himself so he was the general contractor just interesting guy i hung out with them i met on twitter we answer i am eventually met up with them he's really fascinating and he's part of this religion i guess it's the right way to describe it called homestead heritage and basically if you're if you're an outsider it kinda looks like an like a men knight society a little bit you know like what men nights are no what is that you ever seen amish people yeah so this is like he would not say that they're the same and they aren't but from an outside perspective it all like looks a little similar and so those are the best descriptions where it's like they'd be kind of offended at this but this is what it is well they're they're they're like objectively not the same but like if you i posted their website in the in the thing in the chat you'll see guys wearing like those big white hats and like there's like a cow or like a horse like till the land and they're walking alongside it and like a lot of the women wear like the long dresses and like and so listen to the the description of their religion i it's a religion but it's also a community but listen home said hair homestead heritage is an agrarian and craft based intentional christian community it's literature stresses simplicity sustainability self sufficiency cooperation service and quality craftsmanship and so it's this like super i don't understand any of what does that make does yeah dude it's it's hard to explain it's hard to understand if you don't know but i spent time with them and he's taught me all this but like basically somehow they they derived from like kris from the bible or something like like it's their like it's their duty or something to like create like high quality craftsmanship like stuff and to like farm on the land and be sustainable and like there's you find god and like doing hard work and good work and being honest and creating stuff with your hands that's like again in this like huge general generation from a massive outside perspective but basically they like like make their own food so if you they own a five hundred acres in waco texas which is about two hours of ish from austin and they like all of their food is like made on that land and like within the community they share food with one another and they're also pretty savvy at business like i don't know how that kinda of comes into this but like they like he's an he's an accountant so he's like oh i just love like being diligent with numbers and i'm like oh my god you're making me weak at the deeds by bed like telling me stuff so anyway this weekend he's having like they're it's like their festival they'd be like a festival where you can go in and buy like their arts and crafts and i'm driving ninety minutes to go there and like we're gonna like sing christmas songs and like buy arts and crafts and i'm incredibly excited to show you like or to report back about what it's like this community is so fascinating to me and so it's kind of interesting i'm imagining did do you watch the office you know when dwight has his airbnb b i'm imagining too yes shirt farms i like that's what i'm imagining and you're gonna go meet moe wow that is that is incredible you know if you told me if you live this way you can live till two hundred i might do it then that that is how big the cost is to me of like you know go make go till your own food i don't know what till is to be honest you i know if something you do with their hands or your feet right like what what what is telling i think it's when like all like pulls the wrong like a rake or something and it like moves the soil then you can like plant shit it i don't know but yeah dude it i watch i would bet my well i bet you these people are pretty happy i think that there is like happiness and simplicity simplicity but like who the hell knows everyone's unhappy but anyway that's what i'm doing this weekend i'm i'm gonna report back well i like that it's kinda like amish people that love money that's kind of already intriguing right like you know tell me more yeah which is basically exciting you ever walked around in brooklyn and like i know ben levy who's here like lived in this part of or ish in this part of brooklyn have ever been around like the orthodox jews no but you just said they like run the place and they run the place bad and they like you'll walk around in parts of brooklyn and they'll be speaking yi or like you go to certain stores and like everything's in yi and you're like am i in a different country this is wild and they kinda like like you like help others in the community it's really fascinating i love these act i actually like those cultures i think it's really interesting that those exist alright i think that's it for today gonna say the rest for next episode