How to Have an Early Adopter Mindset, ConstitutionDAO, Optimizing Twitter Bios, and More

it's sort of like if you look at what do our what do our rich trends do now that's not common and then that's just gonna become like like more people are gonna do that thing i feel like i could rule to i know i could be what i want to from at all in it like a days off on a road travel never looking bad what's going on so did you see andrew shu replying to my tweet yeah i did i feel like kinda gi a little bit feel a little honored yeah do feel i mean it's kinda cool to interact with him right yeah i think he's great i just i just think he's really like the cool part about this podcast is that we me and you get to hang out often and then once in a while like there's a bunch of guests i would say for all the guests i like them all but maybe two out of every ten i'm like oh this is a this person you know there they're my kind of people i just really get along with them and i really respect what they're doing and he's definitely one of those people so hear me out i think that we should get okay so you have to go somewhere on wednesday yeah and so i went and found a guest tell me what you think about this guest and then when i got this person i was real i realized we should do this way often way more so i met this guy and he asked his business that's like a fine local services business in in california and i go what did you used to do and he goes i was i was in the cia i go what did you do there and he said i would go to middle east and i would try to commit peep get people to commit treason and i would do it by trying to influence them and persuade them and basically give me secrets so i can you know we could do espionage and i was like that's the most amazing thing i've ever heard can he tell me everything and i just sat out for like an hour and i asked some questions and i asked him to come in the pod for prep podcast or that was prep pod prep pod and so i i i go dude do you just wanna come out and tell me all these he like told me stories about being in like an alley in lebanon trying to get some person to show up and he the way that he convinced he's got all these like weird stories and and and it's about persuasion and influence shit and i realized i'm like sean and i should just start doing that way more just getting people who are like interested in regardless has to do with money or not yeah yeah i think that's cool i met a guy once who who's using our product and we held a meet up and like i think two hundred people flew to our office and you know there's a big party basically and this his guy and he was like he was always very mysterious because our product was kind of like club house so you could just kinda sit it there hang out all day to just chat i was just always online and i was like oh so you like don't work or what's the deal like you're always online doing this he's like oh yeah i'm like in between you know gigs and i was like unemployed i didn't really think too much of it but when he showed up i was i noticed two things one is like guy i was incredibly muscular like you know i i kinda like bumped into him and it was like i hit a rock and i was like oh that was so strange but he wasn't trying to look super fit but i could tell us it's like you know one those people that like yeah they could do ninety thousand pull ups it's like oh your core is just incredibly you're just your whole body's made of muscle it's not that you have giant muscles but your whole body is a muscle and i was like okay that's interesting noted and then later on in the night he like i introduced him to two people one person was from russia he spoke russian with them i introduced another person from pakistan he spoken like urdu there with them and i was like how many languages do you speak was he a white guy white guy and i was like and he spoke with like almost like a perfect accent i was like what the hell why do you know how to speak in all these different languages he's like oh and he kinda of like as the night got on like you know and he wasn't drinking but we were all drinking and he's was like he kinda con fight it he was like yeah i was actually a spy for many years okay yay and he starts telling me these stories and they're so unbelievable that i'm like i just kinda think this guy is he lying is he telling the truth it's very hard to tell because the stories are so good like you know the story is like you know he's in a bar in russia and you know this mobs there and then yuri mil the the famous investor comes in and he's like okay i wanna talk to yuri and yuri just kinda blows them off and then he says something in russian and it's he's like the perfect one liner and i was like what's going on here so we go to the battery later that night the battery is basically this private member's club in san francisco that is like a soho house for san francisco and my the previous investor who bank called my whole company that the ideal allowed i was working at he created the battery so we go we're hanging out there and on the way out it's like two in the morning we're leaving and the battery has i think fourteen hotel rooms but really there's like the penthouse that you rent out for parties and the penthouse i think was like ten grand a night at least made fifteen grand a night to rent out and there's an elevator that goes straight up to the penthouse and so at that elevator we're walking out and if elevator is elon musk he's a getting in the elevator and it's him is jason cali and it's two other people we don't know and and i was just like you know kinda like fan girl was like oh shit that's elon musk and thinks so the guy the spy guy he's with me and he goes oh el elon he goes hold on he walks over and they're waiting for the elevator of the elevator about to be there he walks straight up to them and he goes like classic pick artist doesn't address el elon he goes jason he's like jason and he goes to jason cal jason kelly was like oh hey what's what's up things say he's like jason i met you last year at the conference and i told you you know what what i do with the government and all that and i offered you a tour i i i offered you a tour but i forgot to give you my number let me give you my number now and i'll be able to get you the tour and if if if elon wants to come he can come to my god he's like he's like he like focused on he's guy guy that was just sort of like you know he elon if you're interested you're welcome to join as well you you could take along and then he walked he we walked away and i always just laughing because it wasn't like some super it's like he tried to do a super smooth move wasn't that smooth in my opinion but it was still hilarious and he had the balls to approach so you know good for him so who was the guy i mean i i don't wanna say his name but yeah he's just a guy and i like haven't seen him sense it's probably my one night with the cia guy well this guy is coming on when you're gone and long story short we should do more cool shit like that yeah for sure speaking of cool shit can you i don't know what's going on with this constitutional shit and i know you know everything about it can you tell me because it's actually amazing or like i it's i gotta dm him a few days ago and said hey a group of us are getting together to buy the constitution okay like like like the united states constitution united states constitution i there's eleven of them right the eleven copies i think there's only one that's in the hands of private of private buyers this is the one who owns it so i don't know who owns it but it's being auction off by so beach so they said hey there's a so auction in a couple days we're gonna create a dow which is a crypto term for basically like a group just a group of people think of it like a company we're gonna form a dow and every and anybody could contribute contribute to any amount you want and we're gonna try to buy the constitution i was like what the fuck and i was like you know i was like that's great i was like how much is it you know i'm and i think he said they're gonna need i wanna say a ten or twenty million dollars i think it's twenty million dollars that they're gonna need to raise who messaged you i mean i don't think they all want their like name out there necessarily okay well who's the organizer behind us it's a it's a small group of kind of like n collectors so they basically yeah it's not pac or no he's kinda so they they basically approached me pac and i think some others to try to help get the word out got so the the the amazing thing is so there's this thing called so they created constitution gal and and they have raised in three days i think three million dollars from two thousand people something like that so i'll just pull up the twitter head so the twitter twitter handle is constitution out and it says we the people for the people were buying we're buying the constitution from so in four days we need your help and then if you go to the website that shows that they have it's it says amazing copy at the top what if we held hands and bought the constitution together it's just hilarious putting it and it says they've raised three point six million dollars so far and i think they need where do they write their target okay i don't think they're right their target anywhere here but i i'm pretty sure i i asked the guy i'm pretty sure they said they need like roughly ten to twenty million dollars that's crazy it's actually pretty amazing so who who how does it work who owns it and who and how is it tracked and how do you know to trust people the way this would work is a group of people get together they buy a thing now this is how they've bought several other things so they bought people are creating da to buy crypto punk so oh you want a crypto punk but a a punk cost like a million dollars now don't have a million dollars well you wanna put you wanna invest ten ten thousand dollars into a crypto book cool so we can all pool the together ten thousand each and buy a crypto punk collectively for a million dollars and we all own whatever that math comes out to as you know we don't public math something like whatever you know less than one percent of the crypto punk is yours and you can sell your stake in the crypto cryptocurrency so they fractional own it so that's what i think they're trying to do here is they're trying to fractional own the constitution which is they're gonna turn the con they can take the actual constitution they're gonna turn it into an f n feet and then you can fractional own the n and what laws or my understanding of it how it protect the investors how are the investors protected protected in what way what do what do you need protection from who's goes out to get you they can lie about the price that they sold it they can never sell it they can so okay we're buying it they get a hold of it then they can access through i don't know how they do custody so like i don't know who actually holds the keys maybe it's a group that owns the keys i think the way the dow is structured is there's a wallet the wallet holds the n t and it requires x percent vote in order to do anything with it to move the n again so you've kind of vote as a group and if whatever over fifty percent of people do it then then then they're gonna okay home let me tell you what this person said so okay maybe i could his name it says it in his profile so this guy austin cain reached out he goes we're luke he he just he started off hot we are literally purchasing the constitution of the united states so okay i go cool how much is it so estimate is around fifteen to twenty million we're building around the clock your the n entity we did shaped his views on this idea so i'd love to have you be a part it blah and they're basically pooling together assets i think the discord group that they have has like thousands of members like i think they had ten million in soft commitments like verbal commitments and three point something million actually funded commitments and so you crowd fund the dow and then i think they what they plan to do is they actually plan to hold the physical constitution in like the smithsonian or something like that so they they plan to like have have and do do they make profits as this guy austin to make a profit for organizing i don't know they don't you know there's not a ton of details and about the how the dallas structured and whether they like some preferential thing and you know by the way so this is the student they got had they they got ten million in three days ten millions they're soft commitments they have three six actually wired into their wall and you're gonna say we had this for the jordan thing and yeah i look like i was talking to a friend about the there day i'm like i still think that'd be great the only reason that i i like if we ever our actual one to do this i i think there's the difference is that that that constitution is likely just being sold to the highest bidder whereas if so if jordan found out that someone was gonna do x y and z he'd be like no fuck that i don't wanna do that yeah yeah perhaps perhaps then again it's been on the market for but seven ten years something like that so maybe maybe he's ready to sell if somebody can actually meet meet you know meet the price i think we one challenge we had was a we're just busy and just kinda fuck around saying it somebody would actually have to go boots on the ground figure out go see it go figure out why it's not selling figure out what the you know the the rules are around could people airbnb nba or could you turn it into a museum or could you do something with it or is it literally gonna be an inactive asset you know but i think this is something that can happen there's another version of this have you heard of k house no what's so i'm a little jealous i didn't think of this idea myself but i like my i might just do my own the name is really good k house so k house which is k r a u s house it might be the weird spelling of house too but basically they're it's cross house dot club and here's what it says we're a dow of basketball fans and we're crazy enough that we're gonna try to buy an nba team and so they're basically trying to do the same thing they're trying to crowd fund and buy an nba team today and nba teams are owned by billionaires you know successful business people steve balm types who go buy these teams for one to two billion dollars and the idea here is why don't why wouldn't all the fans of let's say you know like the the die crazy fans of you know the g leaves or whatever the like why wouldn't they band together could they band together could they raise enough money between fans of the team and investors who just would love to own a piece of nba team and you buy the team and then you you control the team through the same sort of vote so you decide which gm do we hire do we keep this person on for another or not and so it's sort of like a crowd controlled nba team which is you can't that that's a yeah it's a dope idea it's incredibly it's impossible because with buying a basketball team or any american sports made like what are the top four or five sports it's impossible to buy or not impossible the the issue is not the lack of money the issue is that it's like you know in england they night you and they start calling you sir richard branson in america we allow you to buy a sports team like it's a select group of people and very few people are actually allowed to do it and it's done that way on purpose so for all of the that's true you you basically you have to get approved by the other thirty owners so you know they can vote to block you but the it's not to say they would vote to block this like i think this could generate a ton of attention in press and be seen as pretty forward thinking i don't think it's a given that they would block this i don't think should give it to they block it but my point is this is not like a thing like oh i'll just get the money and buy it i'll just go and buy it right yeah but i do think money is the limiting factor here because if you go like there's a team that's for sale right now and if you wanna buy them you have to go put up the you know sort of like you i think you need to come over the top with the bid so you're not gonna get a deal here you'd have to say okay you know the price is two billion we're gonna play two billion or we're gonna pay two point four we're gonna play three billion because we have to be the winning bidder and if you could choose between a simple clean transaction with another billionaire you'd probably take that so we're gonna have to like buy something's that's got here on the deal now there's another group that's doing this in a much more practical way and i don't know if practical is better so what they're trying to do is they're they have a dow and they're trying to buy a like fourth tier soccer team in like the english premier league or whatever so there's like not a not a team that's i don't know how soccer works but it's like not the actual premier league but it's like you know there's the ranking system where you can like ladder in or you can get demo demoted out so they're buying one at the bottom and that's like a no it's it's you know the that show ted lasso they're basically trying to do ted lasso so they're buying this like joke of a team who did that and they're like great it's another group of people another another crypto group that's putting this together and they're they're buying the team they're gonna oh and that they can do that's a pretty permission thing and the price is like not you don't need two billion dollars to do it you can buy it for ten million dollars and so you're gonna buy this scene for ten million bucks they're gonna crowd control the whole thing they're gonna mint t's because they're gonna own the ip of the team brand and they're gonna they're trying to be like they're trying to show what technology kind of like first crypto first team how they would run their team as an example that other bigger teams might be able to like look at and say oh that's smart how they are they meant it they they sold twenty million dollars of n entities for their team and their every jersey comes with that entity how does that work or well the you know there's a social token that get you access for season tickets like what does that mean and so they're trying to demonstrate it that way and they're trying to literally rank and the goal is to eventually get into the premier league and be you know can they one day go play against manchester united or whatever that would be the dream i don't wanna spend much time talking about n t's in crypto because i'm so bored of it but i just read this amazing wall street journal article about gary van vaynerchuk did you happen to see that i didn't see that but i've been following kind of what he's been doing but tell me what what's stood out to you gary's if for the listeners gary's been on the pod ton if you you everyone probably knows who he is if you don't know he's basically he's a celebrity for having a big mouth but he's like cool and he's and he talked but he talks a lot and he owns an agency that at this point it's quite large if i had a bet i would say they're like a two hundred million revenue business like it's really big and he bootstrap it and he is on fire lately so basically before we get to the article lately he launched a thing with michael rubin where i forget michael rubin launched two new businesses and gary's a partner in one of them i think it's the like n trading card one is that it yeah so i you tell me about this yeah yes and then he also is doing he has a new book coming out and he just launched this thing like a year ago we had him on when he did it called v friends which i think it's like a a collection of n entities i think it's valued north of five hundred million dollars right i'll have to look up the latest but yeah it was basically like a top ten top fifteen it's been a top ten top fifteen crypto project for its entirety basically and i talked to him like the day at launch or something like that i was with them at this dinner and i think he said that he had made like twenty or thirty million dollars that day from it like just like some of there's been ninety three million dollars of sales of v friends and i think he gets you know let's say a ten to ten to fifteen percent stake of royalty on every sale so i think it's pretty easy to estimate at the i think at the low end he's made ten million dollars off of v friends at the high end it could be like thirty million so he's just like prolific let's say what it does he he decided to make a n token that you could own it and it guaranteed you one utility just the way we did it n that said you get five minutes of airtime on our pod someday by the way the guy who bought it reached out okay what do he says he's an interesting guy to doing interesting things and so you know he want i asked him myself do you wanna catch that in or you gonna hold and i'll he hasn't replied yet the gary he did one where you said if you is the buyer my conference is the buyer just a rich guy it's just like a rich crypto guy i think he's yeah i think he's like crypto rich basically got it not like mega mega rich not like crypto billionaire rich i don't think but it's like a wealthy crypto guy who like got in early ish and is done very well and his now and doing a bunch of things so it anyways gary his n if you bought it great you have this n which might be cool as an n might like the art it might be might he might launch more products into it someday but the very minimum it gave you access to his conference so it was a conference ticket in a way for that you could use and and there was the only i the only way to get into the conference maybe so that's what he did and he hasn't even i think he just announced the conference is gonna happen and it's gonna happen for a guaranteed three years or something yeah so we kinda bumped it back but whatever so kinda cool so his latest thing he's got this a new book it's called twelve something twelve things to be a good leader something like that i forget and he had a rule that or he created this thing where if you bought twelve copies of the book you would receive a mystery n it's still to be determined what that n t or or in token actually like what does that actually get you but he that's what he promised and so far as of today it is the largest pre order ever in in in publishing history he has i think guys have yesterday he has sold one million copies of his book before it's even gone live and the people have no idea you know what what they're getting the way that he did it was he last night or a few days ago he did a three hour live youtube and instagram thing where he told people to buy the book and his whole s is basically like i don't ask for much and i provide a ton of content when i have a book come out i'm begging and everyone to buy so that's kinda cool and that's what he did and it's the largest book release ever and that is nuts that is so crazy so the way you and you know why people are buying this right you know why people are buying twelve copies in this book because oh did i not say the twelfth copy they get one of these tokens right they get they get a mystery n so he promised you that there's gonna be an it's gonna be good and it's gonna be for anybody who buys i i think i don't know if there's tiers or what but like got twelve or more books you're gonna be able to get one and so and so so it's kinda crazy right like that's in one million books is an insane number of books to sell very few books do a million a million copies i think i was looking at this site because i i i signed up to write a book next year with tucker mac's thing and i was like okay so what's like good you know it's good like a hundred thousand copies ten thousand copies i bet it's like a thousand do like i like you know some stat ninety nine point whatever percent don't sell a thousand won't won't even sell a thousand copies ten thousand copies it's like you know yes the best sellers do eventually sell you know like a hundred thousand copies and then there's things like you know like for our workweek week or in this category at list atomic habits i think atomic habits he did three million copies sold in a the first two years or something like that and the biggest winner of the past five years is mark manson book which one was that the subtle art of not giving a fuck that book was so big that when i was reading the quarterly reports for who whatever it's owned by harper's which is owned by fuck the one of rupert murdoch companies i don't remember if it's fox or or news corp but anyway they like one of their big things was talking about that book and how it's like saved to their publishing business right and there's basically so so why did this work so one reason why it worked is because gary been doing this for you know he's been bay building trust for like twenty years you know like i i've known about gary v for ten years and you know he didn't start then i don't think so definitely before that so he's built up a lot of trust and he's like man about content production like he he creates so much content in addition to everything else he does and it helps right the content helps feed the agency it helps feed all the things he helps sell books but like the amount of content he produces is is wild so he built up the trust he was talking about n t's he's talking about trading cards before trading cards had their huge run up so you're if you're like oh gary talking about trading cards i don't know about that i'm gonna i'm gonna hold off and see how it goes then you just see this huge run up in basketball cards then gary he starts talking about pokemon and then he starts talking about n t's pokemon goes up through the roof n t's go up through the roof and then you look at a tracker you say oh man he kind of was also big on social media before social media was obvious he was saying you know i remember when instagram got bought he went on the news everything like under priced he's like this is this is a steal and everybody else thought oh my they paid a billion dollars it has zero dollars in revenue like what are they doing and he was like are you joking like this is a this is absolute steal by facebook he was talking about musically and music how people were making how kids were making music videos before musically turned into tiktok and ever remember tons of people making in fun of him like okay you know great yeah you yeah two twelve we're all gonna be like twelve year olds making dance videos in our bedrooms he was right so he's right on social media is right on base on trading cards he was right on pokemon then he was right on n he started talking about n entities and n had this huge bull run partly because he like i have his stature him and logan paul when they started talking about poke him on and they started talking about n entities it actually drove a lot of attention into n entities a lot of adoption so then he launches his own and you're like oh do i wanna buy these v friends is doodle that he made it's priced at two and a half east so he auction off the initial ones at two and a half east today the floor price meaning the minimum you get the the lowest price you can buy it for is eight point one so if you just bought if you just bought hit that's like do eight times roughly four grand so you know thirty two thirty two thousand so basically you you're up almost four x on you're you're up three x basically on on the last thing he told you about so this time when he says hey buy my book i'm gonna get you a special on f you might have missed v friends you missed the n entities when i told you about him you missed you know the bit basketball cards before they they all got hot get this one right and i think that if you have a track record of being early and right this kind of like fo builds and people just start to trust you and i think that's what's happening right here is people are like alright cool i'm in i'll i'll do this yeah and i think what i would like to do is i i don't know this but eventually i would like to do it is i wanna look at what he's been wrong about so gary is right a lot but he takes a ton of shots and i was reading glass door reviews of va media to understand like what's it's what's cool about working there and why people like it so much and they were saying like the the haters of which there always haters where it was like the negative reviews said something like he's always saying the latest and greatest thing is gonna be the next big thing for example and then they named like four apps and i'm like i don't even like these are dead those are cool like two years ago and so i'd be curious what what he's been wrong about but i do think they that he's likely right more than he's wrong and he's been right in big ways yeah i was actually watching so he did another cool thing actually not to make this the kinda the gary v hour but he did an interview with mark zuckerberg which thought that was a pretty big amazing amazing it was so good yeah he it was good dude he steam rolled suck too he kept interrupting of which the comments were just ripping him for he steam old mark zuckerberg yeah he somebody said in the comments they go gary's talking to mark about social like he's his big brother mark his a little brother but you know obviously mark like we're like invented social networking and like runs runs the world but it was true he really was kind of like all over them he's a better talker than so this actually kinda match role he's a better speaker he's more engaging and he has he's quicker off the cuff and mark is a little bit more you know rehearsed and kind of thoughtful about his words that doesn't always play super well you know in front of a camera but what did you think of that interview did you hear anything that yeah that was great i thought gary said something cool about how he's like i knew n t's were gonna be big because of farm bill and how people would pay for these badges then he also referenced another facebook app that i don't i don't know what it was but my context closed were like okay it was like a thing where you could like purchase a cool picture and he was like that's how i knew it was gonna be big and marcos goes you know i never really thought of that yeah and and i thought that was funny i thought that was pretty cool also mark's haircut was horrible as if they just like put a ball on his head and just cut the bangs around it what's he doing with a bad haircut like that it's all actually gary had a great line in that which he's like he's like basically mark's talked about the the the the meta you're gonna have this this avatar you're gonna have like your character who has its own virtual clothing and it wears that like it looks like a sim basically if you ever played the sims and gary like you've been living this light like basically like mark already looks like a sim like mark looks more like a character from a video game than an actual human being he talks more like a character a video than a human being and he wears the same exact thing every day on purpose yeah which is what you're character in a video game does like black shirt blue know blue pad and he said any any any he that he goes this is you he didn't go into details but he was he was kinda like common look you've been ahead of the curve but i thought it was hilarious you know that he he called about on that in a way alright let me ask you a quick question so i've been thinking about this something that i've been thinking about well we've had a bunch of friends talk about screen time limiting screen time and i've been thinking about this so i just did a a very short amount of research so basically i was curious about what trends have existed where rich that separated rich people from poor people for example in in the greek roman era which actually i don't know what years those were actually bc sometime b basically the you were rich if you were very very white and roman poetry would praise the white girl and that meant like the the pale and and pamela was well yeah it was a was a mark of beauty and of social class and things like that because basically you're not outside working really hard of course that changed and in the night nineteen sixties like it's kinda started to right around that time where being tan met that you have a leisure you know you have enough time to go hang out outside and have fun and skin tone became kind of a marker wealth and in during world war two women were using tea bags a self self tanner cocoa chanel around the the nineteen thirties nineteen forties talked about being bronze of being tan and so now it's like became popular tan so what do you think and i'll tell you what i think mine is what do you think in like twenty thirty fifty hundred years is gonna be that thing my opinion is what it's gonna be is a lack of screen time so not like like it's gonna be oh you use a computer no i don't know i don't use it yeah yeah i think it's gonna be people and so like mark laurie talked about that i believe jack do talked about that elon musk has mentioned it bill says his his kids don't get screen time that's what he said yeah he said this a few years ago this came out i think he kinda backed off because it sounds really bad because like did you addicted the whole to social media and you like don't let your kids to it but let me see what the the exact thing is but i remember for sure that he either limited or or said you know said he wouldn't do it so dude i noticed that once i kinda got a little bit more success in my career like i don't check anything on the weekends and like some for like different projects like i'll get it when i get it like i'm just not gonna check my email i i don't wanna be on the screen yeah i remember was a big deal he when he said i think his kids were like under three at the time so it's was like you're probably not doing a ton it was like my daughter's too she has a ton of screen time but like you know i get mark doesn't have to do that necessarily so he he was like yeah maybe when they get older as they get older i'm sure they will but but people were like hey you know the people the media sort of out to get you you know in this kind of case i've got i've got a couple like pretty wealthy friends and they'll be like yeah like our kid has never like we don't use our phone in front of them we don't let them see a phone and then i you know i'll go and hand with other friends so maybe aren't in that position and like we got to dinner and they're playing on the phone the whole time and so that's my i i think it's already happening and i think it's gonna happen in the next twenty thirty years there's a few more so there's actually there's actually you know other ones so i think back in the day being fatter so having a big belly used to be a sign a wealth yeah because obviously you had enough like means to to eat food and you were you're had a leisure lifestyle and now it's the exact opposite right so like you know having you know abs is more seen as a higher status thing than having a belly somebody used to i have big nose people would used to tell somebody told me once it's like oh back in the day that was like a sign of like great power authority or something like that i don't know if that one really could change over time because you can't really control it as much i guess nose jobs but but i think you're absolutely right that these things shift over time that the the status signals that you have shift and it's basically you wanna be doing what the masses are not doing so you know if if everybody's on horseback you wanna be to car when everybody's on in a car you wanna go learn horseback riding that sort of thing same thing with like hunting like you know having others hunt for you and then now it's like a a status symbol in a way to be able to have the free time and the skill to be able to go out and go out and go hunting like have a hobby have a hobby like that i think that i think you're absolutely right that being away from like the digital experience like have like being able to not have to either work online play online or talk to people online it's gonna be a status like it's definitely like a status symbol because it's gonna be so rare it's gonna be rare you know more rare than whatever you know a diamond gold or anything like that because everybody is gonna be completely en roast as we already halfway there in like kind of like the online world so having anything in the offline world is gonna be like a extreme luxury and that actually like if in terms of like money making in business that actually like is an interesting trend to look at there's a thing called a what's the dumb phone thing is it called a light phone like i keep hearing a lot of people talk about this thing have you heard of little light phone i i don't know much of getting it so basically if you haven't seen it light phone is a really minimalistic looking phone looks pretty cool honestly looks very clean design it's like a very basic phone that doesn't like an app like an it looks like remember a zoom or or microsoft it looks like the early cell phones but just like cleaner and you know like a flip phone or whatever and basically it's just a phone that doesn't have apps so you can text on it you could call out it but you can't use the internet beyond that and it's meant to be like hey do you want to like you don't wanna be detached from the world maybe your kids or whatever like you know as you you know if you need to be reached an emergency but but you don't wanna be kind of like on instagram you know at that time i think it's a great idea the the problem with it is kind of inconvenience with it which is like i think you need to like you need to bit like switch your sim card every time you wanna use it and shit like that if you wanna use the same phone number so that's kind of annoying but i think it's great and i'm surprised this isn't bigger i think it was like a kickstarter project i'll buy i'm i'm gonna buy so we just did this n thing and we said we'll do contents stuff i'm gonna set us up with the or i'll set it up and you could decide if you wanna go with the health thing with that executive checkup and then i'll i'll buy one of these light phones and we could talk about it i think it's amazing i think it's cool yep you could still use music i think it's really cool yeah i think it's great and and what else comes to mind that's like this so what are some other things so there's obviously in person experiences so travel meetings concerts i think that already kinda has like a bit of a premium but i think that'll get extended the premium will get larger the the ra will get will get higher on on that because if most meetings just happen over zoom then you'll it'll be a special meeting when you make an effort to go fly and meet somebody face to face same thing with a concert if you're you know going there and being there and experiencing it it's gonna be one of those feelings you can really only get by doing that it's gonna become more valuable over time like i was talking to a comedian and he said like he's like dude i was worried like you know after covid what would happen he's like demand is roaring back he's like the demand now for shows is higher than it was pre pandemic and so you're asking what else is like this well the rick people poor people think what else could be kind of a status symbol i i think i have a couple yeah i think like the splitting time thing between cities it's still expensive put one place it's still expensive but it's not prohibitive expensive so like i think that that's gonna be far more con i'm doing it now and i realize i'm like an a fortunate situation but i think that it's far more accommodating than ever before so i think that like that part time living in and splitting time between cities is gonna be quite common i don't know what else yeah i think that's a that's actually a great one it's sort of like if you look at what are our what are our rich trends do now that's not common and then that's just gonna become like like more people are gonna do that thing so like you know like you're talking about having a few either airbnb or like having three homes and just shift like throughout the year just shifting based on where you wanna be and whatever season you wanna be in and not having like a hometown dude i here's him more of a thing here's one and you're getting into it now i've been into it for a minute as well which is did you see well kinda i tweeted out asking people to see to say like what what like i so i'm i'm i'm building this house and i'm like how would you optimize it for longevity health and fitness and i got so many amazing replies and the most consistent one was cold plunge in sauna so many people are interested in that and i think that that's a much bigger trend than i ever thought so i think having home sauna in and and home cold tubs that is something that's gonna be that's i think we're still in the early stages of it i never would have thought that was gonna be a thing yeah that's the i i just bought us on it by way like two days ago i know i saw you cut the what's his name andrew said like don't do infrared and you're like but i bought it in infrared it is that okay yeah by the way there's a sick company so check this out is it david david's company florence have you seen this this guy just d me who i'm friends with he spoke at house and goes hey i just met with sean about my son of business and i and he said this guy and he said that you also like this type of stuff have you did you look go look at did you see that's sick he just he he dia me a video do you wanna explain what it was so basically asana floor so there's two that that got that got like got kinda like highlighted here where are you at the url is we are florence how do you spell florence f l o r e n s f l o r e n s okay okay so basically we are florence so basically the what he's done is he's built a in a custom kinda like new version of in home asana it plugs into a normal normal outlet which when i was looking at sauna i was like one big thing is like you have to i don't wanna have to get in the electrician out here to handle the power of the asana it's like small enough where it fits in it's like a great like it's like it it's like made for like when a one person it could fit easily then there's a super nice like super clean design so like most sauna kinda look like this kinda same cabin looking feel this looks like it fits in like a modern home a very slick looking and so he's building this thing and that he showed me one he's got i'm gonna go visit him and he's got one down here not too far from where i live that's not so then there's one of the and then there's one of the procedure called ancient ritual have you seen this one or that's the one i saw ancient ritual so so there's two so ancient rituals is the other one that people are kinda h up and i think that one is like almost like peloton for asana so you get in normally we get into asana you're like on your own it's like dude here go sit in this this hot box and like think or you know talk to the naked guy next you like i don't know like do whatever you wanna do i think what i don't know exactly what ancient was but i think what they're doing is it's sort of like a guided meditation they have sounds they have sense they have like my still check you through like what to what to like it's like a it's like calm or like heads space like meets asana that's my like prediction they're they're a little they're very stealthy there's like nothing on the website but that's my my understanding of it just around figuring it out dude the florence thing is amazing yeah so i'm i'm really excited about both of these i don't think either of these is like you know mega a huge business but i think it's i think it could definitely be a really healthy business and it might be one of those that surprised you maybe there's bigger demand maybe this is maybe this ends up like pools right like i think our our buddies are in the they bought a pool construction company who's was telling me something like you know like some absurd percentage of homes like fifty percent of homes or whatever in in areas that can host a pool like we'll get a pool in some in the suburbs and and it's like a yeah it's or it's that's not exact percentage but like it's a fifty thousand dollar average ticket it's the number one like kind of like optional upgrade to a house that that happens and and so you know those companies are doing really well pool construction companies and so maybe if you fast forward ten years down the road son and cold plunge is gonna be as common as swimming pool is in america like i could i could see a world where that's the case i definitely could too so i'll have to remember exactly what these the the the study says but there's a there was a very reputable and famous study and it said two interesting things the first thing that it said was if you saw for two twenty minute sessions a week it decreases the likelihood of cardiovascular disease by something like thirty or forty percent a massive number then it said if you saw for three twenty minute sessions a week it's gonna decrease it by like sixty like it's like the the numbers are like astronomical just from two to three let alone zero to two and so san is like i i the what the way it works is basically like when your body heats up that much i guess it stresses it and that's that's a really healthy and good stress and anyway it's pretty sick i'm all about that do you wanna talk about these last two things you have on here i'm very eager what what those are yeah let's talk about that by the way just to put an point on this but we talk about this because just we're interested in it and like whatever it's just this start hang out if you wanna be able fall on the wall great but i would also say there's been a big lesson i've learned that is anytime people live anytime you discover a group of people who are very interested in in living a lifestyle that is different than yours is very easily initially to write it off and just say oh that's frivolous that's that's just kinda like whatever you know they're out of touch or they're weird or whatever like it doesn't really matter what what category it is like when i when i saw gamers and people who stream video games and watch other people playing video games it was so strange to me i remember making fun of this kid in college because i walked in on him and he was watching somebody else play a video game on a livestream stream and the guy was playing in korea and i was like you're watching a dude in korea play this video why don't you just play better why don't you get outside and like let's go go and get some food and i made fun of him for it and years later i'm like selling my company twitch and like i'm i'm like talking about how great this trend is and he's like called me he was like you mother you know like i dude you made fun of me for this ten years ago and here you are now like now you're on onboard and i that's happened to be so many times in life that now i go the exact opposite way i see some somebody like you who says the same thing that our other buddy said which is maybe i should go to the mayo clinic and get these advanced scans done once a year i think maybe that's something a more people are gonna wanna do why would he wanna do this why are people choosing plant based lifestyles what is that all about you know like and so now i lean in anytime we discover these things and that's become some of the best a like either like discoveries life changes i can make or b investments it's a great way to invest because you're actually on like the cutting edge of stuff you're in early which is obviously there's a book on like a famous business book on it where where you talks i think it's crossing the chasm or something where we talks about like early adopters and then like the there's basically this like bell curve of people where it's like in the beginning of the bell curve it's like late people who are late to it and then like the middle like the average joe and there's like early adopters and then there's one more like cutting edge and you and i both have like a handful of friends of which i would actually say that i i forget the names of them but on that bell curve there's people who are getting names because you got the idea right but you like butcher all the names so basically the earliest as innovators and it's like the people actually like figuring things out and then there's early adopters then there's early majority that's the kinda like big chunk late majority that's the other part of the big chunk and then there's the lag who are like you know people who still have aol email addresses and like you know are looking drive around looking for blockbuster and for a lot of things i would say you are on the rights you're either an innovator or the one next to it an early adopter and i'm trying to go i'm intense i'm intentionally trying to go that way so i thought you know i'm just not that i'm not like a futuristic type guy because i've been so wrong the and i i figured out the formula for it the formula for it is have an ego make a prediction be wrong like five times and have it rubbed in your face how wrong you were boom you're not you're now a fu first like i remember the first time the iphone came out and i was like who the fuck wants to like read tiny text on a screen like that's awful i was like nobody's watch a movie on this i was like yeah you can watch who would ever watch a movie on the this like tiny square like that's like that would be the worst it's worse than a airplane head rest like i remember saying these things to people and you know like i was in college i was like a junior in college there's was nobody remembers just but i remember being that wrong snapchat i remember being that wrong my username still has the word test in it because i was so certain i was like snapchat this is this is stupid right this is just for kids and dick dictates and stuff like that like certainly won't go on beyond this bitcoin i was wrong early on right like guys and my officers tell me about it back in twenty twelve twenty thirteen and i was kind of laughing and saying guys let's focus on something like legit here and now i'm like you know of if fucking bitcoin evangelist and so like twitch same thing i was wrong about stream i've been wrong so many times that i've actually flipped the script now i kinda had to reassess my life and say i'm not gonna be very good as a technology entrepreneur or a technology investor if i just continue to write off the big things as dumb and stupid early on like i need to go the exact opposite way okay what would it take for me to do that and i just i just inverted so instead of you know anytime i see that the same feeling i instead lean into curiosity what's making people wanna do this when i think it's so strange and now i that's that's like flipped the for me and we either had justin or emmett on at hustle con or on here and they talking about justin tv which was the site before twitch became a thing and it was basically anyone could log in and create their own live tv channel and emmett i believe you could tell me if wrong i believe the story was like emmett would like there's a small corner of the site where these like guys are watching video games and it was a lot of people like thousands of people but they were two percent i think of the traffic at that time but they were sending a significant amount of time watching and he was like that's this is the one that we gotta go to and i don't even think it was that as data driven actually the data pointed against it because again i remember it was a small trap it was a small amount they had a combination of two things working their favor number one emmett it was like i i guess actually the number one factor was they were fucked the current thing wasn't working and they had like note like said had nothing to lose they don't they were gonna run out of money and fail or they had to try something dramatically different and when you feel like you're fucked and you have nothing to lose you actually have the one of the greatest assets on your side which is that you know when you have nothing to lose you play completely differently than when you feel like you have something to lose so that was the first they had to change the the things that were popular we're all like illegal streams it's illegal streams of sports so they knew oh people wanna watch this but we can't ever build a business around this yeah so what ninety percent of people are doing on this site we can't use the two percent thing worked and then the other one was he was like i personally like watching these so he's like i'm gonna go with that like these are my favorite things to watch on the network so if i'm gonna work on this i'm gonna work on the ones that i personally find you know the most interesting and actually most of the company wanted to go work on the hotter sex idea which was called what was the thing called the video thing they had not vid their they're their version of called social care it's also cam so the company split in half they said alright justin tv is not gonna work abandon ship and we gotta figure out you know what's the what's the emergency ship and so they had this i think michael si who now runs y comb and justin con they wanted to do social camp it was instagram for video instagram is the hottest startup up in silicon valley but it's photos we're gonna do instagram for video and they were able to instantly raise money they got tons of initial hype and traction and press and all the talented people in the company wanted to go work there so i talked to this guy jacob who's the og designer twitch and he's still there he's still at the company today and i said how'd do you know like to bet on twitch instead of social camp he goes oh no dude i wanted to be on social care they do were just like nah like we don't like team's full brother it like you go work on the thing with ami because emmett his childhood friend he's you you gotta go to do that one he's like oh fuck alright whatever you know so like that was what seemed like the great idea but actually what emmett did which was leaned into this really weird behavior unique lifestyle that these gamers were doing where they were streaming themselves playing for eight hours a day that turned out to be the thing and that's kind of my point which is like i think that there's like these knit i i do it on on online communities particularly reddit it but you can right now i do it on twitter or you could just type in like any idea or any hobby and type in the word forum and you could just find like these niche communities of people that are kind of freaks and it's fun to like learn all about it like for example intermittent fast and fasting is now like we all talk about it i remember like eight years ago i remember business inside of wrote an article about like like a microsoft executive and they mocked him for the like intermittent fasting what is this and but there's there's been communities online where i've like read about people doing this for forever you're like fasting like no like b is the most important meal day just look at anything they make fun of silicon valley for at the beginning of coronavirus like vcs are so paranoid about the real world that they're wearing masks conferences guess what everybody's doing now wearing masks right oh my god intermittent fasting silicon valley latest craze not eating till noon every day you know what a google what google engineers are doing right it's like make media loves to make fun of it guess what that's what everybody's gonna be doing you know what are some other things that are like that i think you know some of them are meditation by the way was like that too people made fun of it and then you know boom like the new yoga the other ones i think that that are happening are like stem cell or any like blood platelet spinning stuff or it's like oh you have knee pain well these guys they like go to puerto rico and like go to germany and like get this fucking blood spinning treatment and go stem cells injected in their knees that and now feel good and gene editing i think is gene gene editing want another one breath work i think breath work is where meditation was i investments this thing called other ships they just actually lost their app i'll use it every single day and like i use it religiously because i it makes you feel so good and to to the average person like i do it outside now after hub was i get get sunlight on your eyes first thing in the mornings i do it outdoors and i'm sitting in my driveway basically doing it and neighbors are walking by they're walking their dog what they feel as a very normal behavior go go for morning walk and they see me like doing fucking breathing techniques on my driveway and they think i'm a nut and i love it i go louder and as soon as somebody walks by because i want them to know they live next to somebody from the future dude there's this guy his name was bill well the little start with art there's this guy named arthur leonard he's he's dead now but in then sixties and seventies he was a new zealand track field coach and he had runners like paul walker or not paul walker that's john walker peter peter fury exactly yeah peter sn and all these like new zealand guys who started winning the olympics in the fifteen hundred meters five k and ten k and everyone's like dude what are you doing with your runners and he goes we run like a hundred and twenty miles a week we do long distance running and we go slow and we just do it just a shit load of it and this one coach from oregon got really interested and his name was bill bower and he goes well on the track field coach chad oregon university i have all these great runners what are you doing and he goes over to in the nineteen seventies of new zealand and he learns from arthur leonard and he comes back and he starts making it popular and two things happen university oregon is really good at track field and he ends up baking shoes for his runner so they can run a little bit faster and he calls it nike he calls that company nike he starts it with a with another runner phil knight yeah and the other thing that happens and this is just it worked out perfectly is he starts talking about it to all of his friends even writes a book about it and i believe it's called like the joy of jogging and the idea of jogging it wasn't even like a thing in the people are like what do you mean you're just gonna run like art is it front of what yeah like our art the police gonna go after you and and like it like it was like astounding like it prior to nineteen seventies right so it there was a it was a jacking craze of the seventies prior to that people didn't go out and run that just like wasn't like a thing so anyway that's like another example where like running became popular and bower created nike to kinda capitalize on it right let's wrap up with this last thing here what what does this i always enjoy your wisdom of shit put yourself out there announce what you're trying to do and how you're trying to it so this actually came from the facebook or the zuckerberg interview with gary so gary goes you change your name to meta you changed the name companies name to meta it's like you know like what's said about you kinda wanted to like announce this to well what's the kinda like the thinking behind that because i i think i get it but you know explain it and z basically said this thing it goes he goes you know i think this is really important hey he goes you know how it is when you run a company he goes you have you know hundreds of employees thousand employees say we have thousands tens of thousands of employees it's really hard to get the message out inside your own company one of the best ways to get your company to realize your serious about something is to go talk about it externally so that's the first thing he said and i thought that was so true when whenever a statement gets made publicly inside the company they also read that article they read that press and so i guess we are committed to this i guess we are i guess that is a top level priority and they start to take it seriously so all of a sudden the product manager start adding features for that thing or the top talent will switch to that division because they know that that's a area for growth for the company so it works internally then he goes the other thing is he's like know we we wanted to put a message out there to the world like he goes i think it's really powerful he goes we wanted to say what we were doing so that people who want that to exist will come work for facebook and gary goes yeah it's like a recruiting thing right he goes he goes yeah he goes it's kind of amazing you know if you just say what you're trying to do and how you go about doing it that like it repel he goes you get a lot of hate and he's like we always get hate anytime we announce anything we get hate and he's like so that's gonna come anyways and he's like when you say what you're trying to do what you're trying to build you know what you're trying to do with your life and basically how you're trying to go about it you will repel the people who find that off putting and you will attract the people who want and they said us so simply this is not a oh i've never thought of that or wow that's such a new concept it's not that but it reminded me of like a lot of good things that have happened in my life that simply came from saying what the hell i'm trying to do why i'm doing it why i'm so excited about doing it and how i'm planning to go about it here's what i planned to it because the other thing facebook announcement was we're investing ten billion dollars into you know the med this year like into our ar and vr projects and ten billion is like a huge number and so that that basically said we're changing the name and we're investing ten billion dollars that means this is our future this is the bet and and so that will attract talent now and i just thought that's such a powerful concept for anybody it doesn't even really matter what the what the stakes are like i've done this when i try to hire interns most people you in the try hair interns they spend all their time you know they they'll they'll write a a blog they'll write a job post and then they'll like you know hope and pray the right person comes by and the better way to do it is you write a job post that would attract the you think about who the ideal person for this is and you say what would make them stop what they're doing and be like holy shit i gotta check this out i gotta go reach out to i gotta talk to them and so now you're not gonna write a normal job description that says the role the responsibilities the requirements minimum you also need to know who you don't want port there exactly and it'll work out so like i put a thing up on twitter wants i remember i think i've talked about this before here i put up with the shit on you people shit on me it they presented me for everything i do this one this one was i kinda like almost hand it and made it look handwritten and i said hiring an intern i said you're gonna get three years of experience in the next twelve months i don't drink coffee so you'll never have to go fetch me some you're not gonna know what to do i'm gonna throw you in the deep end but don't worry don't don't worry i won't let you drown and i said you're gonna work on this this and this for me because i'm trying to do x i my store what the startup was at the time is i'm trying to build x and i want somebody who can come in and do things like a b and c and who knows what else and i basically was like you know whatever and there's a ps at the end and this got like hundreds of applicants to come in why just because i didn't write a normal job description secondly because i said it i said what the hell i'm trying to do and it attracted the type people who who want to do something like that with their life you know they they found they found an overlap between their interest it sounds again so simple but if you kind of check yourself you say have i done that when's the last time i put a stake in the ground i put a flag in the ground and said here's like i'm sam par here's what i'm doing so that you would attract like minded people i think you kinda did it with the fitness influencer thing to be honest you go i'm gonna do it i'm gonna get away from this business stuff and i'm gonna focus on i'm gonna become a fitness influencer i'm half joking but i'm also half serious and and then you started posted the content every day and you started like doing it in public on facebook you post on twitter you post it and i'm sure some people make fun or some people leave kind of comments that are like slight jab or whatever but like you put it out there and i'm betting your dms are full of people who are now yeah it's sending you cool equipment ideas yeah flying out to meet you like that's just what happens when you do that and it's what i people the someone was like do you wanna make money off was like no but like i would love like a professional athlete to think that this is kinda cool and be like no i don't know you like fitness this you wanna come over right or you know like achievement man like he didn't find it us this way but he's like oh you're a like you know the body and things like that's me i would wanna learn a little bit about the media business can i learn it from you have you read the book forty eight laws of power i haven't read it now but i've heard some of them and i find it weird like the summary basically the guy goes on tiktok i don't know how he's in my algorithm but the author robert greene he does like one individual power at a time on tiktok and it always comes up it'll always be something so generic that i don't know how to like it's like very weird he'll be like laws of power like don't you don't want other people to like you or something like that it's like it's like it's something like that and i'm like okay i don't know what this dude is book so hyped his books are like so in i believe that like in some prisons in some state prisons out the country and some states have banned the book it's it's it's incredibly interesting powerful it's no for real it is it's crazy it's a crazy book and law number twenty five i used to memorize the laws when i read it law number twenty five and i just had google it now i don't remember it that well law number twenty five is to always or consistently recreate yourself and he says be the master of your own image rather than letting others define it for you and incorporate dramatic devices into your public gestures and actions your power will be enhanced in your character will seem larger than life and with this facebook thing as well as a lot of other things they get made fun of for doing that but these huge gestures oftentimes work out well alright like i did here's this little example of it i had a twitter bio for the last few months i just changed it but i know was good ten million rev or i basically said every twitter bio i ever saw was like the past and i thought okay yeah i see the value in that like it's good for somebody to land and know what you're doing but i thought what's more interesting is like what are you trying to do now i said how could i plant my flight just in the the top of my profile and it was very controversial i think a lot of people felt i i don't know they don't tell me but i'm i'm assuming there there are a bunch of people out there probably reddit it it was like this is kinda cringey or like why is he saying this is weird and there's some people that would all all you did was that i wanna make a or no the business will do ten million in revenue this year i said three things i said four things i said i'm trying to be in a great mood daily yeah i'm gonna get into phenomenal shape for the first time in my life i'm going to make ten million dollars by december and i'm going to i remember when my last one was something else but those are the three about fitness maybe the second one was fitness it's getting in phenomenal shape for the first time that and something else maybe it was like i don't blah blah blah family something to make me sound good after i said i want ten million bucks by december okay so i put that out there and i got i would say five really important messages from there of like really great connections i came out of it from people just being like y like respect i respect you for putting that there i'm i i might be able to help you with the fitness thing or i might be able to help you with i see you have the mood thing what are you doing for that i wanna learn i'm like great i would love to teach it or ten million bucks how you planning to do it how far long are you come on we're i get an email from one guy keeps saying how far long are you you're getting close your thing is inspiring me i said my goal to my goal is not ten million my goal is a hundred thousand but i wanna make a hundred thousand and and so like it attracts like minded people and i and i i don't even think that was that good of one version of this i think the the law twenty five you just said is super important to like continuously reinvent and craft it and like play with it don't get stuck in like whatever you used to say three years ago or even three months ago necessarily if it's no longer the the most badass ass exciting fun version of you and what you're trying to do do you and what does it say now you wanna build a hundred million dollar brand or something i building a hundred million dollar brand and that i put that i'm investing in company bad companies like x y z what are the odds that what so you're building a business right now which we purposely don't talk about it but you're building a business right now that's in a totally separate field than you are in now it's yeah if you you being like media media sean different than anything i've done before also yeah yes and many people including me well i haven't done this but this is something i would have i would do would say well what the hell just focus on like the main thing yeah but do you think it's gonna work out like it seems like it might work out right yeah i think it's gonna work out i'm pretty i'm like i think it's gonna work out i the reason why i mean i started with my wife so like i wanna start business with her i think we had the idea together i thought that would be fun i never did it normally i would go work all day be super like you know excited and stimulated by like all the shit there she's not into text she's not into like the stuff i'm into so i come home and you know she'd should say like how's your doing and i'd be like it's great like you know it's hard to do much further in depth in that right so this was a cool thing we could do together while we you know like had our first two kids and i got two little kids now so that's why i went into this very different thing and also as a challenge and also we have a couple of friends that also do e commerce and we're doing really well with it so i thought okay that i can learn from them and and kind of we can bounce off each other out don't he's off each other would you sell it next year for like twenty or thirty million dollars no i think it can get to i think it get to a hundred and like i think we should just go all the way that's pretty awesome and and you're enjoying it still it's not exhausting oh it's a pain in the ass tons of times but like you know overall yeah like somebody the our buddy su who who i talked to you and kind of like look up to his business mentor he was like he really wanted to advise and help me with it and i was like okay why do you wanna do this like you know your time on this is not gonna not gonna pay off like you know you have if you just spent that same hour in your other business or in one of the other ten things it's just honestly it's more valuable for you and as your friend like i don't want you to make a decision today that is actually a bad decision and he goes like don't worry about that like he's he goes i'm basic you know like i was you could just be having free time he goes yeah i don't this is my free time he's like i i'm only happy when i'm in a prison of my own making i thought it was just a badass ass way of saying it he's like you know i don't wanna do nothing i like doing hard things challenging things as long as i get to choose with hard and challenging thing is if it's something i don't wanna do and it's even remotely harder or challenging i'm like a w baby but when it's really hard but i chose it i i picked this poison then i have so much fun like i just wake up every everyday energized and i like wow a great way to know your success well we can wrap up there i think what did you where's ben ben what do you think i think we covered a lot of interesting things i like the the philosophical wisdom bullshit yeah the end is really great it it got my wheels turning about like what i can build kind of in public how i can put myself out there more i love that part i think building in public is overrated by the way i'm gonna do it with this ketchup thing but i think it's overrated you know it's better than building in public just doing cool shit and not talking about it and being private yeah that's fair i'm actually i'm doing both right now i have one thing that's in private and and a bunch of stuff that's in public and i actually like them both ben what if i say what if you were gonna put yourself out there what are you trying to do how would you put your plant your flag so that you can like a magnet attract like minded people to you what's your what's your version of i'm ben here's what i'm trying to do right now well so i mean obviously a lot of people know about my podcast already how to take over the world and i'm trying to make it a a top one hundred podcast in the world across any category so we're trending in the right direction but i haven't really put that out in in public yet and i guess now it is so there we go but sam asked an important question every every goal or dream should have a time associated with yeah you always have to have it yeah know so what what would be otherwise you know it's a it's a endless wish so what would be what do you want how much time is left in twenty twenty one oh we got six weeks yeah let's say in six weeks let's say let's i got a little more than a month alright everybody go subscribe if you listen to this go subscribe to the how to take over the world podcast it's honestly an amazing podcast why we've run some episodes on this feed before alright well we'll get you closer and i think you know like if you just said alright i think one of the reason people struggle with this question is they feel the pressure like oh fuck this is my purpose in life or my mission in life i better get it right and actually you wanna do the exact opposite you wanna treat it like a kid when you say what do you wanna be in the girl and they say i'm wanna be a dinosaur i wanna be a firefighter i wanna be a pizza i wanna be a pizza and it's like okay the best way to get to this statement is actually to put zero pressure on it and say it out loud and then say it all loud again say a different thing out loud say like play with the ideas until something sticks with you and hits with you and then you say okay and then how do i juice that if that's the dream on level seven what would it be on level ten what would it be if i turn the knob all the way broke the knob off the volume thing and it's now at like volume twelve accidentally what would that be of this of this podcast like what would it be right now if you crank it up by the way i feel like we both put ourselves out there of like putting a number to it meanwhile sam is like i'm just give be a fitness influencer but like where where's where's your number in time sam we're just way a hundred and eighty here no i have one bitch it's to be way a hundred and eighty five pounds by january fifteenth come on okay my but i have it written out on this piece of paper that's not that's not that's an the influencer goal that's just a fitness goal well that is where are you at now so you're at one ninety six so two basically saying in the next two months i wanna lose eleven i wanna lose eleven pounds but i'm all i'm you know he's already like you know somewhat in shape so you know i don't know if it's i don't know if like a body fat or whatever so now what will that attract it'll attract other people who also want to lose weight or have just done it right those are the two people that are gonna reach out to sam hey me too or i just did it you can do it too here's what here's what work for me and so like that's the power of doing this and of saying it out loud just commit to yourself and ben don't come at the master when it comes to gold okay i'm the self man i'm i'm the man of i'm a manifest cowboy baby i get it done i just wanna know when you're gonna have a hundred thousand instagram followers that's all i wanna know the manifest cowboy is hilarious my buddy has the best nickname i just discovered he because he he showed up for this thing and i was like dude you showed up like i thought you'd be late and i thought like you know you might skip it today because you didn't have to do it and his our other friend was there he goes that's why they call him mister show up and i thought he was joking and then literally someone called him mister i was like is that your actual nickname mister show up and he's like yeah he's like that was the thing he's like he's like anytime somebody needed like whatever it was a ride at the airport you know like you need to ride home for the airport i'll be there just give me fifteen minutes i'll i'll show up and like hey he if you'd you'd give him a throw away invitation to a party but like hey i'm going to this thing but you know you won't know anybody there and it's two hours away and like it it might not be fun he's like cool i'll and like dude you showed up to the party i you don't know anyone here i can't believe you showed up and and that became his reputation mister this guy is this guy dom that i work with i love this guy and he's like i thought that nickname mister show up like i wish that was my nickname because i can tell you one thing mister show up is gonna win in life because eighty percent of life is just showing up and and and if you're mister show up you're you're you're ac that part of life that's hilarious i think it's gonna be a good app yeah i feel like i could rule to word i know i could be what i want to put at all in it like a days all on a travel never looking back