How to Get Famous on Twitter and Other Listener Questions

i'm gonna para phrase but but this was asked a ton of times which is how would you start again from zero i hate this question i don't ever answer this question i'm like that's an impossible thing to answer because you're just looking for like a spoon fed thing and you're just not gonna do whatever we say does i mean if you're asking that question you're probably not gonna do it okay but still answer what what answered the way you want which is maybe you're not feeding a specific answer but like dude people who is a guy like sam do in a day and age to like this is let's put it differently what and i also don't like this question because the answer is i would do exactly the same thing again sean per is doing what i did and how's it going is it working wonderfully this work amazing it feels great to be sam far at age twenty four however you old you were when you started this when you started would do the exact same thing it totally works if you pick the right niche you but here's the thing is like you care about this topic i cared about my topic which they were related but not the same you don't mind writing every day i didn't mind either and so i would do the same thing the only thing that you did differently was that you were already kinda of famous and you had this huge twitter following with definitely health i had a ten thousand person email list from hu khan so i had a little bit of a base and we're both doing the exact same thing you get make sure you have content market fit and so which means you see if you can create a newsletter every single day which both of us have done you find a way to get traffic in my case it was by blogging in your case it's twitter and then once you realize that that works and then you i would buy ads which you are now doing i think and i did do and you scale and you find out what your lt tv is and then you just figure out how much you wanna spend and then you go and get advertisers you're already making like a lot of money every month doing this and you're like great four months in it took me two years to get to where you are well that's because i saw the blueprint right like i even know this could even make money i like when you first told me you're like yeah email newsletter i think you make a bunch of money and then i was like by doing what like emails free with like what are you talking about this was there wasn't like subs didn't exist wasn't even i didn't know of any paid newsletter and i didn't even really real i didn't didn't realize there's like a newsletter advertising industry and if you had told me that i would be like oh cool like might as well have said you're gonna go sell buttons at a flea market like right it doesn't seem like that big of an idea and then you were like yeah you can make and i think you had told me at the time a hundred dollar cpm which i don't think turned out to be true but like i i think i said fifty maybe but that is true i don't remember what i said but whatever i said hundred ridiculous yeah you guys at hundred and then i was like so wait a minute so you're like a list of ten thousand of people and like wait what's cpm there got gotta do math and then i like but like ended been at a number i was like so wait if you sent that every day you just make that much money every day and i've ever just being like well okay maybe this is actually an awesome idea instead of like you know a kind of shitty idea but that's only one of the ways that it can make money right which what you is what you're seeing you're seeing that that's just the tip of the iceberg and you're only on the tip yeah yeah just the tip as we like to that's a tip business and do you see how this can scale to a hundred million in sales maybe maybe not is by the way not a q and a we're just giving tips is this is just the tip just the so because there's a short it's a short podcast so we can only do just the tip do do you see how this gets scale to a hundred million dollars in sales yeah i think you know probably for more than just ads but yeah for sure yeah and i think so okay one general idea of what you're saying is basically if you are good at content it is possible to build a large con content audience and then you that that is the door that opens more door so either you use that to like you know like what what i did with my following it at first is i launched a fund i was like great investing is a cool way to make money first built an audience and then launched a fund and the audience became my investors i took zero meetings i did zero pitch calls or whatever and raised a multimillion dollar fund from just the audience so that's like the superpower of an audience so i i think that's one thing you could do which is already a like potentially an eight figure thing for you at worst maybe seven figures but like that's like already monetizing you know don't get that today but in the future and the the other thing by the way is that then by by the way next question how well how how would you build an audience to start scratch like that's it the next that's the next question than what you probably is like your second most saving question yeah i hate that okay so that's it's i don't ask a girl her weight or don't ask sam what he would do to build on against from scratch if we started just don't like it because it's like dude you're asking me on twitter you see what i do yeah that's that's actually my meta lesson okay so can i can i do i rant for a second here yeah which is kind of a buzz kill for the just the tip episode but let me let me do it anyways most of the people who ask that question i don't wanna answer not because it's not a good question but because if you're asking that question that basically means you're not gonna do it you're not i gonna do because the answer is so obvious it's already out there everybody who's building an audience is doing it super publicly so all you go do is be like oh okay so this guy does it this way and this girl does it that way and this guy is it this way and like then you sort of just bucket it you're like okay seems like you kinda need to just choose one medium like maybe podcasting or twitter or email they all have different benefits and then like on that medium you need like maybe pick a topic and that's your theme you become the the guy who always talks about frameworks so the guy who always talks about crypto the guy who always talks about business ideas or whatever it is and then you can expand once you already have a base and then exactly and then like you should try to get the you try to make viral content because it's gonna get shared a bunch you kinda like get sponsors then turn that money into like buying it like it's so obvious what all of us are doing that if you if you if you don't know how to do it at this point like you failed the iq test and i don't mean that to be mean i just mean it like to me you're not serious about the question yeah because the answer is already like visible to and if and i think there's some like more nuanced questions like which platform would you pick today would you pick email or twitter or whatever like i think there's different questions that it might be slightly better questions but the generic one is pretty bad and this reason i rant so last night i'm watching tiktok i throw open tiktok as i do for my take tiktok is basically like my bedtime story and and i see this guy on there and he's like some like sean conner looking guy and he's like this like kinda like complete gray beer guy he's cooking at an egg so he's like the perfect that here the cooked the perfect egg let's do it and he's like you know he's like we got eggs we got black salt we have this like you know i know he's got like what looks like just like a branch with leaves on it that's probably something like seasoning he's like you know we have these things okay cool turn the pan to high heat crack the eggs put the eggs in now we're gonna like keep it on high you know you have your oil you you have it on high and you're trying to get this crust he's like how do you know when there's a crust watch this jiggle and like so he's he's like literally teaching you in like a thirty second format how to cook the perfect eggs and by the end he like takes that out of the pan you're like dude i just wanna try that egg more than anything in my life right in it and it had ten million views i had ten million views and like all the comments are like you know be my dad and like you know i'll marry you if you cook me these eggs every morning and he like cuts into it the egg yolk starts running and it's like it's crispy on the bottom and soft on top it's like just looks amazing right and it got me thinking i was like he made it look so simple i saw the egg crack right so you know i i saw what he did it wasn't like that complicated if he explained every step of what he was doing and there's like ten million likes on this video which means like a lot of people have seen this video i thought many people are gonna cook an egg like this so so how many people more even gonna try to cook an egg like this how many people could actually cook the angle like this after watching it and then scrub me thinking i was like you know when i watch this video of this guy telling me how to do it it seems all simple enough but i know if i walk to my stove right now and i took the two eggs and the salt and the the pan with the oil my egg is not gonna turn out like that right like i would need a lot of reps to be able to ever cook an egg the way the guy did it and he showed me the exact formula he told me the formula account me thinking about business advice i go this is the problem with twitter and even podcasts like this which is that imagine now that i watched that video of that egg and then tomorrow i come on and there's another video of like this guy cooking eggs and then there's like the next day there's another one and like maybe then i say you guys you gonna go make your own damn exactly and like after six months i would kinda in my heart i would feel like dude to i know how to cook eggs but again if i walk to a stove and i tried to do it i would make a runny mess and it would be horrible and like the problem with twitter and the way the problem with the people with the way that people use twitter and use podcasts is they get on every day and they just watch other people cook eggs they watch guys like you and me cooking eggs they like we we we don't listen to them if i as though we record our own right like right we are happy to take your attention well it's like they they're they're just masturbating instead of having sex exactly exactly and like but you can convince yourself like i could just imagine if i done this for six months i'd be like dude i know everything there is to know about cooking eggs and that's the same person who's on twitter who reads advice from every investor and founders tweeting out their you know three ways to you know three my the biggest mistakes i made before thirty a thread you know my six hiring mistakes about managers a thread you know like all these things right like it's like when i asked my daughter when we play again and say who's who's your best friend she goes the floor that's how i feel about the thread you know like basically it's like here just i'm gonna say there's arbitrary shit and like i can imagine that if you listen to that and read that every day you would think you are learning how to cook eggs but you have no idea how to cook eggs even after reading all of that fact you almost are worse off than somebody who just tried to cook eggs for two weeks straight and then maybe in and on the on the fourteenth day of cooking their eggs they go on twitter and they see some they're like oh that's how i i should change the way i'm cracking the egg but are like you know how the is too high oh that's it okay let me go back and quick make your adjustment and so my rant is basically don't be the dude who just watches the video of cooking eggs like go crack some eggs make a bunch of mistakes and then come back to twitter and podcast podcasts like this for your just in time learning to like just give you a tweak on the thing you're actually doing right by right right right i i i'm i am on board i completely agree with everything you said do you wanna do let's go back to answering some questions yeah from people who want but it's watch us crack some hey alright you pick one you pick one and then i'll pick one and so forth okay sounds good listen to this first one so what are the key traits you look for in a cofounder and red flags so that your business is successful and you guys stay happy and i think you've had that multiple cofounder i great it ish i was always like the guy and then like i had first people that were more batman robin yeah yeah yeah and but then with joe spies for my fund it's fifty fifty the and what i've learned number one they have to be emotionally healthy and very emotionally stable i would consider myself to be mostly stable on the big things but my mood goes up and down and for me to be a good partner with someone they need to be emotionally stable and even if i was like really stable it's really important because i've seen a lot of like it's just like the same way you ever have like a a friend that got like a husband or a wife and they're just fucking crazy and it's like i don't know how to advise you here like this person is acting irrational like it's really challenging it's like you wanna separate them like you stop acting crazy and you stop acting crazy that's my only advice to both of you guys yeah it's like dude this is this is just it's not gonna work out and so i married a woman that was like very stable and even to ke and i realize oh that's perfect so what i look for in partners is people who are emotionally stable and and i also wanna a partner that's incredibly honest and under sells themselves i also and if i find out that they lie at all like even on small shit it's game over for me so really high integrity is important and then finally having really high energy so like who can just like who wants to push the pace and basically with my best partners i feel intimidated and inspired by them that's a that's a great way of putting it and i think it shows like i'm pretty chill sarah's very chill i don't know joe that well but he seems also very chill chill you know very cool your your partners basically and your ventures are like you know resting heart rate under forty it's hard to get heart right up and like i think that's good that's a good pair for you yeah because i don't mind being the high energy like i'm typically the one that can be the catalyst and be the igniter right and then a person that that wants to be the guide i enjoy right yeah that's that's a great one there's this book that i read called why you will marry the wrong person if you're read the by tim urban no has a it's the skills of blog post called that oh yeah you're right you're right school of life so the in it like the very first principles is like we marry the wrong person because you know one of the things that says like we don't even know how we are crazy no everybody's nuts you just if if you don't recognize how your nuts you're not gonna know how to pick a partner who could deal with your level your version of crazy and you're gonna have to deal with version of crazy and the idea that you're gonna change them to not be so crazy is like not a thing like everybody's weird or you just don't know them well enough so like you gotta have your you gotta know your weirdness is and then be like cool is this person compatible fundamentally compatible with my my type of weird that's kind of a version of what you just said so what what what are yours so i kinda steal from like you know warren buffett said this thing that of all i think para it as well which is like two things you just said energy integrity and intelligence so those those three so break them down energy is the one i think most people overlook i think everybody wants intelligence they're yeah yeah i want somebody who's like really smart or really good right and it's like yeah that's that's true you don't wanna you don't want somebody who's incompetent it'll drive nuts in the long run i've had that problem before you don't want somebody who's low integrity right because a smart person's low integrity is a crook it's just a matter of time until they screw you and then the last one is energy and the energy thing i think is the one that everybody overlook i put it as of my number one which is like some people call it vibes some people call it energy i call it mood you know whatever it's basically does this person bring enthusiasm by default or are they always looking for some ex like do they need an excuse to be high energy do they need an excuse to be motivated do they an excuse to be optimistic and enthusiastic about what you're working on because if they if they do you're gonna i feel like i'm constantly like a doctor with the shock panels like alright clear give me you know give me give me twenty amps or whatever and like just trying to like get them to be like you wake up and i've had this with like business meetings because ben who's my business partner on all my different businesses ben's a very low key guy he's very low low he comes a across he's not actually low energy his speaking style is low energy and so sometimes we'll be in meetings and i'll just be like guys i just don't wanna ever be in a meeting that feels like this right now like nobody's fighting but like also nobody's saying anything like hello wake up like you know do you care are you there do you have ideas or you just creatively bankrupt and like i just don't wanna be in a room that's like low energy so can we just shake that up right now and they're like sorry let's fucking go where like can they give me some token thing i'm like it's fine even a token thing is fine it shows that you can you understand what matters to me i was gonna say the two people i think do actually have good who show that i was both of our ben so ben ar ben here ben wilson he has good energy and vibe because whenever i'm around him i feel happier and i leave happier right and he does a good job at matching and then ben levy is whenever same thing whenever around him i feel happier and he also gets a lot of energy talking to people which exactly is which i fucking hate doing so i ben ben levy is a great partner yeah he's he's amazing he's really amazing okay so that's kind of what i i answers that question which one you wanna do next okay let's do this one what did you tell your friend on twitter so okay for questions what it what did you tell your friend on twitter that resulted in his audience growth to a hundred k in just a few hours it's pretty stronger hockey player so he tweeted i helped him write another one today did you see it no no is it popping off oh yeah right away got like five or ten it got five or ten thousand likes in the first wow thirty minutes and it's already reached five million people you told explain the thought process so how did you alright what advice did you give them that would help them do that people hate this advice but look here it is the guy made a hundred million dollars in the nhl and he spent twenty years being a hockey player and i'm just helping him craft some of the stories that he's already lived so step one is there's just massive unfair advantage which is he's he's lived in he's he's lived in interesting life yeah and i was talking to my friend logan who has this book called how to not die alone and she's like a dating coach and helps men and women find partners and i was talking to her about how i think men should find dates and i'm like you know the the best thing about being able to attract a woman is as long as you focus on yourself and live an interesting life and constantly improve yourself that's what women really care about and that's really it's it goes beyond women so with chris it was like well you just live an interesting life are you are you looking at his tweet how i'm looking at now so it says first tweet is when you hear about ex player making thirty million over five years six million dollars a year you think wow he made it however that's not was the reality in this fed i'm gonna break down how much they take home and where the rest of it goes that's tell more yeah what's the results so far so it has ten thousand likes and it was posted five hours go wow so so with chris what i've do is i basically talk to him on the phone and he's like hey i've got this idea where i wanna talk about like finances and he'll well like he'll have a conversation with me for twenty minutes and i'll say he'll say yeah you know it's crazy about escrow and i'm like wait hold on what the hell is escrow he goes yeah so like basically when you get paid thirty percent goes into escrow and was like so when you get that money back he was you actually never get that money back that money is used to afford the lead the league and i'm like oh that's interesting goes yeah it's so big deal so anyway and then like keep talking like no that's the thing that's the thing and so when what you have to do is you have to find the big idea and you have to do this thing called the it's called like the knowledge complex but be basically you wanted to get good at twitter you've got a a live in interesting life and b understand that the interesting and unique experiences in your life it's really not well known to a bunch of people and you have to realize that like what seems boring to you isn't it boring to most other people and so you've gotta figure out how to tweet that and if you don't live an interesting life go and live an interesting one or go and learn about a topic and just tweet everything you're learning exactly exactly i think you sent it perfectly i'll only add one part to that which is in in my power writing course i teach this exercise and basically i i use this i i explained to the exact same where you said i i said you have two choices i like fundamentally you can either be a generous expert meaning you know something so well you could just be sharing it with the audience or a curious novice curious beginner so it's like you just say yeah i don't know anything about this but i'm curious i'm gonna dig in and find out if you wanna learn what i learned you know going from zero to understanding you know defy just follow this thread a much people like great i'm also a dummy if you're gonna do a bunch of work for this i would love to hear what what your takeaways on at the end and so people vastly underestimate be curious beginner path which almost is a better path really because they think you have to be a generous sex but you think they think you have to have played in the nhl made a hundred million dollars in order to share this type of info there's other formats like you know meme king yeah spicy analyst like i have all these like names for these like different different like lanes you can go down for content to win but like those are those are two of them let's say the other thing i say is there's exercise because mostly like well you know i haven't made a hundred million dollars what do i talk about and so there's this exercise from the book story worthy that i stole called first last best worst have mean have you ever done this yeah well and you did it with me was great oh okay cool because we've done it before but like basically let's just play it again for people who don't don't know it but like we could pick maybe even in a different topic so you take any category of your life so it could be relationships it could be job it could first households yeah it could be jobs so let's take jobs so what would be sam first job for some your manager at jan at a bakery okay great didn't know that what was your worst job i staining decks in the summer in saint louis you're totally miserable doing okay great then what was your what was your best job being host and then what was your like what like say we we just say last job but it means like most recent job so like in case i was ceo of a media company that was making tens of millions of dollars great and and oh also weirdest what's the weirdest job you'd ever had what's the weirdest and that it does have to get a job what's the weirdest way you've ever made money i was a skateboard instructor at the y mca have you go to an or the hotdog stand i think a great one also for the hotdog san so so you take that and you say alright and everybody has some version this everybody has an answer to these questions then then you say alright within that what's the story people don't know about staining decks or what the people think people don't realize about about those hotdog dog stands you see and then they're like well yeah they don't and you're so it's kinda like you said the knowledge complex whatever it's like you're so in the weeds you don't remember what it's like to not know so you kinda gotta talk to somebody about it and just say it all out and you see when they raise their eyebrows when they get curious it's like that's your hook you need to know like you know how much those hot dogs really cost or like where the heck do they go when the game is over alright like you know okay now wanna know like you know yeah i have always wanted that so oh wow you put it in this area or whatever and so so i think that's what you wanna do to come up with great content ideas you don't have to be kris pro and nhl star been a hundred million dollars i bet you could have done maybe not as successful maybe not like you know a hundred thousand followers and like one tweet or whatever you did for that guy but like i bet if you worked for three months with somebody who's a completely normal person like you know project manager deloitte i bet you could get them to thirty or forty thousand followers on twitter within a month and if you look at well look at so you didn't have a following on twitter like three years ago you started right two years ago yeah two years ago now you've got over two hundred thousand trunk fam the guy who worked for me for a long time when we when he started working at my company i think we helped or he signed up for twitter now he's got what three or four hundred thousand of yeah five hundred thousand and then there's like loads of employees at my company that have done it like it's very easy to do yeah exactly alright let's do a different one you're right what would you say to a lawyer with a very i'm a lawyer with a very good salary what would you say i'm answer to motivate me to leave my c but soul sucking job and jump into entrepreneurship if my boss asked i'm asking for a friend dot dot com i would say don't jump into entrepreneurship and get happy with your job if you're someone that needs another person to give you motivation to bail you're you shouldn't bail you're only doing it because you think that people think that it's cool because people they admire do it i would say don't do it i don't think that you're the personality type that this that will be happy doing this if you need someone to motivate you yeah exactly and by the way there's a trick there which is if that pisses you off and makes you wanna do it cool are an entrepreneur go ahead you know you made pascal gil you may collect two hundred dollars if that like if that answer feels so wrong for you it doesn't sit well with you and it annoys you that sam even said it and you hit this like random ship on your shoulder for no reason like you kind of hurt that's that actually didn't continue the road on the right path and also if you're if you're a lawyer i do think that the hours lawyer works lawyers work are ridiculous but you could make a lot of money and i bet there's a world where you could do like a nine to five legal business or be a lawyer and have a really good life so like why bail if you if if if you're not compelled to do it enough that you're just gonna do it maybe don't just don't bail be happy yeah for sure alright pick another one would you would you consider buying an existing business and growing it or would you only wanna start things from scratch frankly i don't know why i haven't done that like it's pretty clear to me now that that is a better path for entrepreneurship unless you really just have the killer idea but for some reason i haven't done it yet i just keep starting new things from scratch i think there's some fun in that and it's not really the logical decision it's more of the emotional decision but i for sure would and in fact think i should be doing that because i know how to run a good business i how to grow businesses and taking something that's already doing five ten fifteen million dollars a year and getting it to fifty would be a lot easier for me than getting something from zero to fifty and so why not yeah i think makes makes sense i just don't get i don't maybe i'll do it one day i i i know people talk about this all time i agree that it is actually easier and i agree that the likelihood is better and your life would in most cases be better i can't i just don't give a shit about something that someone else made i just i i enjoy starting it i i think that to me building a business is like my art and i i like doing it from the ground level and what about okay i got a question for you from from the twitter here so john williams ask how hard should i should you be willing to work to create a successful business is it an eighty hour a week job is expecting to only work forty hours a week unrealistic and by the way his tagline is john williams fuck work let's play yeah so i think we know what even what he's trying to do here so well let me just say this when i started my company the first two or three years i was working constantly all the time and people was gonna in like you're in the office you're thinking about would go get to the time i would get to the office at eight or nine am and i would go home at seven or eight pm and i i would dick around at the office and hang out my employees but i it was very important to me that i was the first to arrive in last to leave i didn't expect i would work sunday evening but not saturday so that's like does does take out you know as as literally what you said so let's say twelve hours day five days a week that's sixty hours a week plus maybe a couple hours at the weekend so maybe sixty four hours or something like that in a week yeah but i couldn't sustain that so i only did that for like the first two years and to get to like profitability and hiring people and then i was able to to where it was like some weeks it was eighty other it was pretty chill forty and so i was able to relax a little bit more one time i took a month off so i was able to like but that was we were making like eight million dollars that year so i was able to chill a little bit if i had to start something again i would expect that i would work forty or fifty hours a week getting it going but here's the thing whenever even now even though i'm not like actively involved in building a business i i think about this type of stuff twenty four hours a day at people ask us shown if we prepare all the time and i'm like yeah kinda but also not kinda but like we're like everything we read it's like we are relating it back to this trade of i don't know what you call this thing improving ourselves and sometimes making money by doing it we yeah it's like what's that i i wanna keep referencing this is like douche this story that makes me sound like a douche it's like picasso at a restaurant and somebody comes up and they're like gosh will you make a piece of art for me and he grabs an napkin and scribble on it and he's like you know that'll be thirty thousand dollars or whatever she's like but you just you just made that in two seconds and he's like no this this ma'am like you know this took me twenty years whatever to make this scribble and that's what i feel about the podcast like there are days well i will show up and it's like wait are you know what are guys talking about like right before the podcast my i'll be like hey i'm gonna go record my wife be like what you guys i'm about today i was like i have no idea and it's not that i no idea i have a long list of things that throughout the week i'm writing down here because i'm doing calls with all these interesting people that i'm researching this thing and if i'm watching a documentary i'm taking notes it's like i'm doing things that the person doesn't do in order to generate a bunch of ideas so that when i show up it can just be natural i could just speak naturally about interesting topics because i've already put in the whole week of trying to learn interesting things and have interesting conversations and all that stuff so and i would say like if if you know a lot of this these questions are like career advice that's if you could find a way to do that in your career you've won which is basically there's no separation there's no separation between the things you're most interested in and liking to do and spending your nights kind of like learning about or or experimenting with like find a way for money to be the byproduct like the exhaust coming out the chimney of that factory of interesting ness and like that's a heard out four yeah it's pretty good right that was that was that was that was great that's really good yeah and so i'm all that good job hell yeah alright great put it on a t shirt yeah i had heard things like that before but again it was just cracking egg watching other people crack eggs advice finally when i did it it's like this is the way this is for sure the way which is just go for the most interesting things and then learn core business skills so that you can turn you just doing what's most interesting to you on a daily basis into a profitable market money making event like venture and then you basically you're funding yourself to live exactly the life you want and how long were you working when you at be six seven years or something like that but sorry i meant early on how many hours oh i was i would work a lot but it was more like i i don't necessarily know if that was productive like i was at the office every day from let's call i would get there like nine nine thirty usually and then i would leave either like eight pm or i would sleep there because there was like apartment built into the office and i was single guy and matt like who cares if i go home to my apartment or i sleep in this apartment like sleep here saves me time and i could just keep you know working on stuff and basically what i would do the way i thought about my day was like i had decided when i took the job i go i'm gonna work here instead of starting the own company i'm gonna work here i'm gonna pack like twenty years of experience into the next four years that was my goal right and then i said okay well how am gonna do that i said alright well my day job needs to get me reps working on startups and i trying to build them and grow them that was that's the thing i like to do and then basically as soon as like everyone leave the officer on five i would walk out i would go get like like you know west field malls like right there i'd walk west walk to the food court why i gained a bunch of i got to the food court i'd be like tired super hungry i'd go eat some shitty food in the food court i'd come back to the office and then i would like like i'd have my night job and my night job was basically like one of the most interesting companies and who are the most interesting people how do i like learn about what they're doing how do i meet them how do invite them over for a beer right now at the office or dinner right now at my office and like pick their brain on what they're doing and basically i would build my network and i build my knowledge at night or i would like build my skills so i'd like teach myself sequel overnight i'm back okay i'm tired of ask some the developers to run queries for me i'm gonna learn how to write my own queries and like you know so i would like spend two weeks just trying to learn secrets right and then i would spend two weeks really like studying up on like you know how ml m's grow and like just like i just picked these like intensive and i would just go down them so now i had have a whole bunch of obscure knowledge but because i like dedicated a period of my life to really only learning about those things i didn't and didn't do other stuff but i it's okay i was like you know happy as a clam just to do those things that's badass i think that's a really good answer alright let me pick one what are your biggest regrets in what past time do you sorry alright what are your biggest regrets in business in life what past time in your life do you miss most what future time do you most look forward to so i'll i'll answer really quick my biggest regret i wish i would have taken my work my school my sports more seriously as a young person so like in grade school high school in college i kinda dismissed it i wish i would have like taken it why yeah because i think that like i well when you're in high school in college like there's a time where all you have to do is acquire skills and like get good at stuff and i like would just i didn't like eat well i didn't like sleep as much as i should have for when it was as relates to sports i didn't train as hard as i could have trained and that's just like a period of time when you're young from like the ages of twelve to like twenty or twenty two of you're a college athlete which i was for little while where it's like you can just get good at a sport also with school i kinda dick off in high school and i actually regret that i wish i would have like took the time to learn you know i'm i'm getting paid to read books now or or i'm i'm sorry i have all my free times to read books now i read my free time so i wish i would've have taken my my schooling and my athletics a lot more seriously because that's like the only time you have to do that and i i'm most looking forward to having children nice alright it's great it's a great answer what your isn't this question really hard to answer is this a regret question like i feel stuck when i trying to answer this question well what do you think about all the time and you're like man i wish i would have i wish i would have behaved differently during that period of my life so i kinda let me break it up into two different groups there's like knowing what i know now oh wow like i could have done so much better maybe made more of the opportunity whether that's like you know paid my parents may paid a bunch of money for me to go to duke it's like an expensive at school and it's got like tons of like you know opportunity i think there was like this thing that came out which was like in the in and like two thousand and seven on on duke campus there was founders of like i think seven or eight like billion dollar companies so like i was there i didn't know any of these people i didn't even think about i didn't think about like meeting i didn't even think about like wow i'm on this campus with a bunch of really awesome people like i should go not just trying to make friends and party but like who are the people who are actually working at like trying to do something interesting you know who are those people who okay i'm just like focused on my classes and passing them but like well why don't i actually focus on figuring out what classes are interesting to me how bunch of ways i would do college differently if i like had the wisdom today it's not really like a regret though like when i hear the word regret i think about like that word you said behavior where did i where do i feel like i kinda let myself down in my behavior and the only things i come to mind are like anytime that i've been like lower integrity so like either lying to somebody exaggerating to somebody kind of making a selfish move or like i got some benefit and other people didn't really get a benefit does not like a big one that comes to mind but there's like really small ones that come to mind i think those are my only regrets like the ones that you don't sleep well and you're not proud of like a a simple test i do is like if everybody knew about this move i was making would i would that be a thing i'm excited about like if i could magically get distribution and everybody knew this about me would this be something i'd be proud of or embarrassed of or neutral and it's like basically anything that's in neutral i'm like why don't i just do it more interestingly you know like let me just take the comment and make it more uncommon like don't you that and so that's help a lot and the things that i'm embarrassed of it's like that's just a sign i shouldn't be doing this and i need to like bite the bullet and like reverse course on this and like i think before i used to definitely be like an exaggerated white liar like kind of like not like nothing that harmed people but like definitely things that like benefited me and like over time i've like tried to stamp those out so i would say like just little stupid things like that would be the only things that i actually regret whereas is everything else it's like i don't know like yeah i was dumb by i didn't notice things at that time and whatever you know who cares i learned them by doing the thing wrong way i learned the right way there was one time when i was eighteen and like a limo or i was like in a shuttle from the hotel to like on a college visit or something like that and the man driving the bus was or the little you know it's like a van when you're at the marriott and they take you around and he was like alright you're at your stop and i you you're supposed to tip him sometimes and i tipped them five dollars he goes oh no it's okay and i said oh no you need this and i meant just say like you earned it or something and i said you need this and that's one of those things that i look back and i'm like i cannot believe that was so condescending of me i cannot believe it that's something i think about all the time and i'm like i can't believe i said that i cannot believe that's that's one of my big regrets dude i have out of this that have i told the orlando bloom story on here no people make fun of me because i i tell the story so often i haven't told i'm gonna tell you now okay here's one of my biggest regrets so i'm in london i'm twenty one years old maybe and my buddy comes to visit for college and so i i living a lot of at the time my parents out there and like so i'm like okay let's go out now i hadn't really got out london so i didn't i didn't know where to go i didn't know the protocols the etiquette i just been kinda hanging out my parents at their house i wasn't drinking it didn't have big tolerance at this time you know like i basically hadn't still yeah still don't but didn't have big tolerance back then still don't have it my buddy comes a it and i'm like alright i wanna be cool with with his buddy shout out to my buddy groups if he's listening he he he'll know this is him so we go out and london i'm trying to act cool because i'm like he thinks i live in the center of london he thinks i still kinda like go out like i did in college he doesn't know i've just been in my mom's apartment you know like doing nothing for like three months you know just like i don't know watching lee runs of lost and so so i'm like oh let's go over here go here i'm like oh this place is popping because i see a place just with a line outside like this is the place we're going here he's like sure we can just go to this like no we're going over here so you go to this place line outside and he's like i don't think this is like a bar club and it turns on a feeder and and i like oh shit but i'm kind of pipe committed to my life plan i'm like no no this place is the the best i have now picked a theater like a of plays but the plane just ended at people were waiting outside i'm like and there's just group of girls they're all visiting for the university of georgia and duke university has like kinda notoriously like not the hottest college girls and so these girls to me were like a fourteen out of ten and so and so like if and they probably didn't have the hottest guys either yeah great i like it i i was a strong seven at duke i'm a three seven i'm a private school seven public school three and and i'm a state school of three so so basically i'm like okay i'm trying to still trying to recover from goo me like why are you telling me to go to this theater and i'm like because i wanna talk to these girls so now i'm like trying to act cool for to these girls which was i was already failing and acting cool in front of my dude brown friend now i'm trying to have from fool goose for his girls so there i'm like mean you're like the tinder sw man of your friend group and sounds like what are what are we doing here are we waiting for and they're like oh the other you know the plane just ended and orlando bloom did a drop in at the show and so he's coming out and like we're all just waiting for his autograph face there to take a picture of him and i'm like i might head i'm like like you okay do you know who orlando blu if i say that you know the who who that is could you a picture in your head i know exactly who he is okay i didn't so i'm like i've burned the name but i'm like i'm not even this guy is or why he's famous but i clearly famous as a crowd here waiting for him and so we're weighing twenty minutes and i'm just chopping up with these girls so what year was this this would have been don't know thirteen fourteen years ago so like dude did so orlando was like peak orlando bloom exactly just some pirates to the caribbean i didn't i didn't know connected it and i couldn't ask because i don't already again told groups we gotta get told these girls i'm waiting for orlando bloom they don't know that i know who he is by anyways we're just gonna shooting in the shit because i have this captive audience these girls can't leave they're waiting for orlando blue they gotta talk to me basically at this point so where we're having fellow flirting these girls things are going well now so my knight has turned around but problem is people coming out from the play and i don't know who orlando blue i'm just sort of waiting to see where the reaction comes from i'm expecting like i don't know brad pitt is prime i'm expecting like you know bruce willis i'm expecting just like some like just some hon to come out because like clearly always women are waiting for him lando is pretty pretty hun man you you he's been good person he's a lot more like petite petite exactly the word i'm looking for it so this guy walks out and he's just this kind small guy and he's got this wi body and this whiskey mustache and i'm like this is the fucking guy and so like i'm just sort like and i'm a little bit i'm pretty drunk at this point i'm just like oh my god so he's facing the at least signing autograph for the other people he's about to get into this car this limo and like there wasn't a lot of space you know like the distance is between me and like kinda like like you know this window in front of me with two feet away that's how for he was away so and he's just not turning around to like sign our autograph or whatever i don't want his autograph of face just tap him on the shoulder there is orlando orlando and like i'm screaming his name like and so i said it like kind of like medium and then he doesn't turn and so then i'm just drunk so i'm like just gonna say it as loud as i can so i'm yelling and americans are already like forty percent louder than europeans and now i'm trying to be loud and so he's he's he's not american right but i'm in london and so most people so he probably doesn't like that either nobody one liked it nobody liked to trust me like in these girls while i was out there they're like oh my god is so off putting why is this commands so loud right now and so it sounds like i'm just screaming and i am screaming he turns around and i just don't orlando out like he turns i go and i'd see his face for the first time i don't see the petite body from behind which is just basically a woman's body he turns around and i see is is mustache stash i go what's with the stash and then he's like you don't know what to make of like what do mean do you answer that what's like i'm i thought it was from the play i thought he you had left it on because it looks like the table to me and so he's like and he just sort of rolls his eyes and the girls are like you're the most un doing now you've annoyed or orlando blue and he just like he starts walking into he just he he's turned abort and the girls pissed because he didn't like acknowledge them now either the whole section got black so he gets in the car trust me that's not the worst of it he gets on the car this is where the story ends in the in the the the final cr and i'm like and something comes over me i'm like you know i'm like entrepreneur entrepreneurial i'm action alright i'm a go get her so i decided to be a go get her with orlando blue and i go to the car and there's no security because again nobody expects up phone dog just like open up the corridor so i i reached through the window he's waving by to the fans through the through the back seat i reached through the passenger front seat into the back backseat while he's waving and my hand just wraps around his i was going for like a high five but i'm he's waving so it's a moving target i only catches his thumb if you ever had another man's thumb into inside full hand yes one of the most uncomfortable yeah i am immediately sober up he looks at me like y bro like why are you like why you grabbing my thumb and i'm just like i saw i'm i was like dude i'm so sorry and i just i let it go and i let go of the whole night and i basically it's the most embarrassing thing that i've done you know i was since then it never done my never top that moment that's my biggest regard oh my god that's awesome grabbing orlando blooms thumb as he drove away after making fun of his mustache if orlando if you if you're listening to this if if your cousin is listening to send us orlando let him know that guy you know he was just he was just trying to impress his friend yeah he was just trying to i don't know what he was trying to do but he was an accident i didn't know know trying to you're doing it for the tail whatever everyone in there he he would empathize with that do i don't think we should do anymore i think we have to end on that that was awesome that was the best i've heard in a long time alright fantastic good good q just the tips that was that's what we're gonna call just the tips alright we're out of here