Hasan Minhaj - Comedy, Netflix, Haters, & Money

matt is like where do you wanna do the special la chicago new york i was like no davis california what's a day for you like pure because you're you're completely free now right i'm completely free well you never really free he i you know you build a prison of your own i'm making now yeah yeah so you know two little kids so day starts with morning shift bad duty yeah so i take the mornings i got a two year old and a eight month old yeah and so we're like we're the same yeah when you were talking about yesterday i was like i feel you yeah and we so i do the morning shift that's just straight bad time then i basically pick between got three kinda major projects yeah so i got investing so sometimes we'll be looking at deals then it's could be content but content is really kind of on a a specific niche schedule monday wednesday for an hour we sit down we do the show and then that's kind of it don't do too much more than that i write sometimes and like twitter emails or whatever and then i'll i have a business so me and my wife started an e commerce business oh cool and so that that's scaled up so basically in the last year that went from zero like just an idea yeah to now we do like over a million dollars a month of revenue on that business i was looking for something new yeah that i could do as a side hustle something that wasn't like yeah gonna take up all my time it could still be a valuable business that was you know like some part part time basically yeah and so that's what have you always been like that multiple hustle have you always been that guy i was always that guy they weren't working before so i was really i was trying to do that and i was failing at it and like since i school like you were that dude so no so a lot of people have this story a lot of entrepreneurs have this like oh back i was my lemonade stand what i was selling those doing newspaper routes and hired all these kids yeah baseball cars i was do the lights were off in my head until like twenty one so like u was like i'm gonna be pretty i was gonna be i wanted to be a team doctor for an nba team so i okay what what do i do to i wanted to be on the nba team alright genetics not working yeah team doctor that that seems like yeah my to my genetics and like my interest yeah and only when i met a team doctor was like this boring a shit like you're just like you know these just joints that are in pain and it's the only so much you could do is like wow not as exciting shit i need a plan b so i was twenty one when i figured that out wow and i you're still in unread yeah i i've just taken am mca i was ready to go to med school i was like what's what else i had this ran a business idea with a couple of buddies that sounded kinda silly it was so silly that it was almost like not dangerous you know how that is like yeah sometimes a very serious sounding idea it's almost too intimidating to do but this almost seems so goofy it was harmless i i'm just gonna go try i'm just gonna do this but obviously eventually go to med school yeah obviously was like i'm not gonna you know it's and you're do this for a couple months you're at a point in your life college is so unique in the sense that you you're leaning on this thing where if people ask you hey what are you doing i'm a student yeah exactly i got cover yeah i got my cover story yeah yours a similar right because you totally yeah freshman in college exactly so those how long did you have the like okay so let's take that when did you decide or i'm gonna do this for real this will be the job was it right away or did you kinda play with it first and then decide a year later to you it's was interesting so for me i was a it's so funny you were at the show last night and so you could tell especially in the bay there's just this level of connection i have in this city new york certain cities where i'm like i know you guys we're we're all coupon kids and they're like that's okay we're we're like type a like we're we you gotta do that you know i i know you i know you i know what your house smells like i know the way your mom talks to you i know you i've seen you at family parties right i know you like i really know you and there's a level of intimacy there with that material the point of the story is is that i was part of that camp where there was a clear track relatively speaking in the community i wasn't the brightest kid every community has like the stanford kid i'm always like i go like we want in dallas i'm you you up in dallas right who's the stand for which one which one who's and man was nick kill i'm like yeah yeah so assuming you're not in a kill what was your path right everybody has one was like front of man of went to mit there's like he's the star who's the star of your community there's a kid got a kid yeah yeah you're not gonna name him as fine so every kid you won the spelling bee yeah and you're like you're like okay the this person is the shining star of the community what what's my path and so i was a speech to a big kid i go to college and the first open mic that i did a friend of mine funny enough who i knew in college was illegally downloading a ton of stand comedy yep i i want to college during like the ka yeah wire wire error i think we're the same age i'm thirty six yeah thirty three i think yeah so we're like we we're that same era and you said thirty three i think yeah i was like i haven't been thinking about my age agent a while yeah i i think i'm thirty i think i thirty three yeah i mean thirty three thirty four i think i'm thirty three yeah of thirty six and so i i went to college during that era he downloads a chris rock special never scared i don't remember that special he's in the purple suit and i remember being like oh this is funny speech and debate this is connect to the dots yeah this is forensics but funny right oh i i i see the matrix and then i come to find out oh like a lot of the comics that i really loved there were certain comics that really thought critically like that greg gerald rest and peace one of the all time greats he was a a former attorney right and then he became a comic dimitri martin who's was really big at the time in the early two thousands early odds he also was an attorney worked at the white house for a while and then like got in the comedy and he had a big run and in comedy anyways all these people that i like carlin they were these critical thinkers that kinda were doing speech and debate presenting my argument or a take and it just was a light bulb moment and i had this thing inside of me i'm like oh this one of the first things in my life where i have an a and speed at which i do this that i never had at k yep or at the sat or at the mca or at the l sat like i can pick this up really fast and i don't know if you felt this i think a lot of you know dac kids have this or whatever kids in general your parents will push you in soccer or basketball or swimming when you're like a there's always that kid yeah from just the first drill picks it up fast and so much of adult life is figuring out what's my thing that i pick up fast like that do and that was that that was my model had the same moment twenty one years old when we started that way i had this business idea yeah and i was like we didn't even know what the fuck we were right as i nobody does to until at beginning yeah and i remember thinking man my parents probably not gonna be cool with this if i especially this our idea was to create the chipotle for sushi so it wasn't like even like a big idea like oh bio engineering bow blah well like you know some new microbial whatever yeah why does it sound like you were high when you said that the way you see chipotle for sushi is like such a like i wish i was that that would be a better excuse u we just i just tried sushi for the first time and all before that i was eating subway and she chipotle i was like why don't know i just why isn't this sushi served like that the way i'm used to yeah and there's as simple as that yeah so i was like alright i'm gonna did you always have so this this moment this problem solving thing y why don't they do this like this have you always i was the start of it that's what saying i didn't always have yet i started to realize all has i've got i've seen interviews with naval von and neville like i was always like why isn't that pizza place do this yeah i wasn't like that i and i i say this because i remember i used to watch those at like neville he's like a hero to me it's like a mentor in over in many ways yeah yeah and when i hear him and you know you hear these people talk about how they they just had it from day one or you know early age yeah it makes you think if you don't have that your thing which most people don't by then it's like i guess i'm just not that type i guess i'm just not cut out that way yeah i guess they're different than me yeah and so i'm always very like a front it which is like nah there was no signs of anything i didn't know what the heck i wanted do i didn't know what i was good at until i did and that just let light bulb comes on when it came on yeah and i remember going to my that i remember we started working on it and like you said i had this a lack of the oh i was good at pitching and it was a pitch contest that we were working on first yeah business plan pitch and were you a great student we like mediocre and that's why i called my dad i said you know hey you know i'm thinking about doing this thing i was kinda of expecting the indian parent thing which is like no stay focused med school remember the whole thing you just working on for four years life i paid for this expensive as college like do that thing yeah and he was like he was like i think he should run with this like you think it's a good idea because i think it's a terrible idea i think food business is awful i think restaurants are terrible idea i don't understand what you mean you know but you don't know anything about so i think it's a terrible idea in like ten different ways yeah he's like but what the time did you wake up this morning i was like i don't know like a thirty he's like and what'd you do right away start working on us he goes that's why i know should do this because the light obviously at yeah he was like still we've been trying to get you to like study and like do care about any care and like wake up with your own light bulb on and be able to go do that thing what is your what does your dad do no want asking he's he he kinda had a career where he was in like he was the engineer research like work think the company worked at a big oil company and then he he realized like he was like thirty something and he looked around and saw in his office he's like my office is the same officer been for ten years yeah i got all these patents on the wall he's but these are just like certificates that give me to like pat me on the head and keep me you know just to keep me doing my thing sitting here like a scientist like doing my thing yeah he's like the guy i hand the patent the idea too he gets promoted he gets to go to london and he gets to like yeah he takes my idea makes it sound like it's his idea yeah he's like my best should do the business guy thing because it's like those guys just take my ideas and like run with it so then he sw into the business side so that's why he he kind of you know most parents have this where like the thing they regret they kinda pushed their kids like no do it you know like so for my dad that was two things was like social yeah he's like i didn't i didn't didn't i didn't know anything about socializing till it was almost too late so go to that party he would drop me off at a party what you know he would be like you need to go and i'd be like i'm scared i was socially scared i said high school right didn't know what the heck was going on and did that show girlfriend this stuff yeah they were cool about they were like whatever awesome yeah so they were pushing me to again fill the gaps that they didn't have yeah and one of his mom was the too my mom was my mom because are you the oldest sibling or all yeah so the oldest pave the way so my sister had already done it yeah and so my mom like she had a talk movie vietnam with them was she was like alright look your sister didn't tell us anything and did everything anyways yeah everything we told her not to do she did and then she didn't tell us which made it worse and then we found out later yeah as we do and it's like bad by the i know the listener sometimes gonna mad at this they're just like dude to talking about bitcoin the reason why this is no the reason why it's important to me is like understanding someone's drive shaft is so imperative to why they are where they are yeah you in under the search yeah like sometimes people are like not it's stupid but i'm like no because all of your i'll just speak on my like my field which is not big it's relatively narrow if you take a hundred comics and you're all in the green room you'll quickly see the ones that are talking shit you'll see the ones that don't like to write you'll see the ones that right use sometimes comedy in the comedy club is a crutch right to give them a place to go to just socialize the ones that love it the ones that are soc offense all of those things but if you start to find out more about them which is why you know sometimes you come up in a comedy scene and i came up here in san francisco in the bay you quickly find out oh this person's running from something right this person do you know what i mean and and and that informs the next fifteen domino's right of their career in their life and would when you did that because comedy i think it's kinda known for that like yeah comedy like this to field where it's like you know nobody bake it then even if you do make it it's like continue you have to come up with new material reinvented it every year or every two years yes is this just this brutal field yeah and then even the the better you are at it's you're a truth teller yes right yeah and often these truths are kind of ugly or they're kind of painful or the about yourself or about society about whatever yeah so there's just like darkness that's with like a lot of great comedian sure it lives with them yeah you seem like a well adjusted you know good looking guy half last you saw the show last night did it did i come off as un hinge or no you came off you came off like you came off like i'll tell you exactly it came off to me and that i don't mean this this might sound like a compliment yeah you seem to me like somebody who isn't the natural is not naturally isn't the funniest guy like some comedian you just see it you're like dude they could just be doing this at their dinner room dinner table yeah and they're just probably slang whatever room they're in they just happen to be in a big auditor right yeah yours i could tell if my sister other she goes he works on his craft like you i could see that the stories you were telling the beats they're like the punch side it just felt like everything was put together it was thought through the lighting the sound the like position with your body language on the on the stage yeah it seemed like you had worked this set not like this guy is just funny he had two drinks and gets up here and he starts spit balling yeah which is like you know vibe that some comedian get so and so to me that was what i got was like you're it's like is ironic is like this is kind of like the indian kid who like does like hard work and practice and is like really good at the thing that it put as he said his mind too yeah that's the vibe guy is that accurate or is that like my projection of shit i think i think that is definitely accurate like i i really do care like i i love it i love this thing i can do the thing do you agree with my first thing which is amongst a hundred comedian that are like at the same yeah i'm are you naturally are you the average above average below average where would you say yeah so what you're talking about is just like natural there's people that look funny talk funny say things in a funny way right so their voice sounds funny they look funny you're already in the top peep think about those guys chris farley yes another comic i love felipe bar felipe bars just looks funny hannibal burst has an has an amazing voice has an amazing voice right do you know what i mean exactly he just like sounds funny right he's brilliant he also sounds really funny chris rock has a great voice right right he sounds funny yeah i look like a news anchor you know what i mean like i look i look like i should be doing like a five day forecast or whatever but i also have like i have a genuine love and i'm something i wanna say like a a try like there's got a message yeah i just wanna say something i there's something inside to me i wanna say and yeah one of the things that i i definitely feel is like when i put together a show like on tour her i wanna give you a show right like i wanted to be a show and for me putting together mixing stand up comedy storytelling and theater that to me was my eli yeah yeah it was my eli like we were at the show i wanted i was thinking about what do i ask i was like yeah i got a bunch of questions but the one that i truly wanted to know which i don't even know if there's a good answer for this yeah but the question i i was like at the end so you went up there for an hour end like by the end it was like you know in t ball when one person gets the momentum yeah and it's just swinging and the other the person the other person is just like fl they're helpless the ball is just out of reach yeah but the one person knows is they're like i'm about to you you haven't won yet but the momentum is so strong yeah from about halfway through the show to the end the show that's i felt like it was t you were dominating and the crowd was just in the palm of your hands it was so good and at the end you know mike dropped crowd goes wild what is that feeling like because most human beings are never gonna experience that but it seems sitting there i'm like that must feel fucking amazing even though you've done this many times oh it must feel fucking amazing does that what does that feel like you know what it feels like every artist and i think every human being whether it's intimate relationships personal relationships collaborating and business family dynamics and hopefully your career everybody wants to feel seen and there's this moment in act two of the show where i basically go i wanna give you guys all of me yeah i wanna close the gap between who i am on instagram and who i am on imessage right and when i look in people's eyes i could tell everybody that's in like yeah the bay area work from home crowd and they're like fuck i can't be me yeah and there's part of me you laid down yeah when i laid down i'm sharing all these secrets with you guys yeah and i'm like there's this moment of do you see me i wanna be seen right like when i'm with being when i'm with my spouse she's like hey when we're disagreeing on something it's like you don't see me like you actually don't see me for who i am right and the most enriching thing about that last moment when i say good night and i see people in their reaction i feel seen mh i'm like oh i think y'all you guys get me right and to me laughter in that exchange in that live experience is an expression of love you know what i mean because i can't make you laugh i can't like force you to laugh much like love making it's an intimate act right and that release of laughter is like oh you get me right you feel me it was the journey from the beginning of the show so that's the end that's the climax yeah that's why i feel loved and seen yeah before the show yeah and again we're sitting there and the openers went on and was said okay he's about to come on and my sister goes oh man like what would you feel if you're were about to go on u and i said well you know he's i was just thinking in my house was like yeah i know he's done this many time so now he's figured out a system yeah to how to how to deal with that combination of excitement and nerves gotcha oh what's the what's the feeling like for you now and what's the system you've developed to get on stage and have that switch flipped what when you came on within two seconds it's like this guy's in a state of mind he's in a state as we say yeah of like he's here to perform he he knows what he's here to do yeah there's no like tip toe into it yeah so i was wondering what do you do the five ten minutes before or an hour before i don't know what what you're kind of like warm up routine seen yeah yeah you're ready you the list just wanna know this i'm sure i don't really i this is personal curiosity i wanna know it and i my my trainer has this great phrase he goes who are my customers the people that love what i do like because he's he's like people always asked oh who your customers is some demographic right some like some like marketing intellectual he's like yeah easiest way in the world is the people who love who who your customers or the people who love what you do yeah so just do what you do yeah and you will naturally attract the people who love that yeah and you repel the people who aren't interested yeah and you will never have to guess what the heck people want because just do what you want and that's the approach i take to the pie yeah no i love it man i love i love talking a shop like this so for me it's actually it's a it's the three hours before mh so what i try to do before any show i try to make sure that like i exercise in some capacity because and i don't know if you feel this way maybe it's within our community it's so funny to go back to what you're talking about where you're like oh it seems like a guy who works really hard this is funny i was doing mark marc mer podcast and said the same thing about me like you seem like really put together and he's like why aren't you unraveling like the the way other comics are right and i'm like yeah i'm just philosophically not from that camp i'm not from the tortured artist camp i'm more from the place of like i'm creating from a place of passion in love right in actually real talk it's about empty the tank i just wanna put it all out on the court right you know and this court happens to be the stage right and i wanna do my best i wanna be like i put everything into picking out this outfit i put everything into picking out these jokes these tags the stage design the lighting design like this is it and i wanna know when i go to sleep here at night when i put my head down on the pillow i did everything i could right like living a life without regret and only you can answer that is the best right everybody's saw about chasing happiness to me it's about chasing satisfaction like that self satisfaction and you know what it is right you know what it is right and you know when you sold out you know got a good result but you kind of didn't do it the right way yeah that that sticks with you and some people just like let that stick with them yeah other people say alright even if i won i'm not gonna win on those terms again yeah if if i lost i can lose on these terms it'd be good at night yep and and i'm sure there's listeners to the pod that spend their time re tweeting the right things and quote tweeting and dunking on vc people and you know they they say the right things they'll reg the right opinions but they know when they put their head down at night hey you're supposed to train you jerk off instead right you're supposed to do this you didn't but only you can answer that right so you can signal all you want for me what that stage represents is like no i'm putting myself in a high level look of accountability in front of thirty four hundred people right i'm putting it all out here right even and if you don't think i'm good if you think i'm corny if you think i'm whatever hey is what it is but i stood here right and i did it i did me and on my terms and i did my best so you're saying so you're saying three hours before you three hours before what i do is i like to do the the some form of exercise and i try to get out of knock workout workout or you're just trying to break a sweat what do you what's yeah trying to do on tour it's just about body maintenance so i'll do running i'll do some pull ups some core stuff just stuff to get my body going right and and start breaking a sweat and what i love about like right around minute thirty to forty five is i'll get out of my head and into my body and so much of life right now getting out of getting out of your head and it's funny i i i called you randomly i was i appreciate you picking up the phone the other day we had a long conversation we can get into that later but so much of i think what you do and what you put out in the world and i call it like tech twitter talk it's all in your head intellectual it's all just head anxiety inducing stuff oh ethereum up on just sol salon is this it's like it's all head shit right it's not a body feeling thing right like grounding yourself two feet on the ground i'm here in this moment what do i do and so much of performance and to be great at it the best chap the best performers they're not in their head they're in their body they're really there right somebody screams somebody says something somebody heck they're in their body when you watch steph curry play when i watch devin booker play these guys are so in their body right luca the best at this he's in his body he's in the he's in flow right and so luca is like a kid and kids do this well yeah kids do this pretty naturally i love that older you get the heavy you get which is gotta i yeah you gotta fight that right and so that's a great way to get out of my head to get into my body then i'll probably i eat something yep i take a shower and then i put i put on the outfit and for me it's like being on stage uniform and putting on that it feels like a uniform yep and like for me it feels like i want to feel like a show like from the watch to the jacket to the pants i'm like there's a level of confidence that you have when you move into a room and you're like hey from from my heels all the way up to my head i'm wearing my armor right like i'm coming correct right and you just you carry yourself with a little bop you're like i feel better about myself my shit isn't s there's no stains on my stuff you know what i like moment i saw you today you walked in you're wearing in your tech pants i could tell you washed them a few times yeah but there's some stains on the backside you know what i'm saying but that feeling of like no man when i'm coming in here i'm gonna be fresh than sean yeah i'm gonna gonna i'm just gonna be fresh yeah that already gives me a feeling of like confidence i know what i'm doing you know and and by the way the are opener marcel marcelo like marcel marcelo was just like dressed to the nines you know this is it's a feeling then i get to the show i finished eating i'll meditate so meditation for ten to fifteen minutes allow me to just again get out of my head and drop into my body and something simple just heads space right like i'm not getting too crazy about it and what i love about head space specifically is so much of it is just basic breathing establishing a level of intention i'll meditate then i'll pray and for me like prayers is really important because it's gotta be about something bigger than just myself and my corporal being i'm like what am i doing this for and just an establishing an intention and for me the intention is like love let me give joy to people right and i i want the seed of everything that i'm doing to come from that not be like not be petty energy angry energy i'm gonna prove you wrong energy like i'm in the laughter business right like i'm here to make you feel joy right in that warm feeling so establishing an attention there i get to the i'll get to the venue about an hour before i'll have a double shot of espresso i'll let my bowel to do what they do you always get those jitter like you you gotta pee you gotta do what you gotta do and then about like thirty to forty five minutes before i like to be loose just with the with the staff right let them know like hey what's up how are you door guy security guy openers right you know what mean another other way to get out of your head by the way yeah to be that be with others be there yeah they're serving others yeah and then about a half an hour before i'll go to my green room i usually write it down i'll write down it'll just be on hotel notepad paper hey what are a couple new tags that i'm working on tonight right just move the ball forward a little bit remind myself y'all i'm gonna do this for example last night one of the things i talk about an act one of the show is fertility and a new joke that i did was like you know what it's like being infer as a man i felt like woody and toy story when his arm got ripped off right all that was the that was just one line and i was like hey make sure you do the woody toy story line right you know and every show i tried to add a few of these extra moments and you add that up over the course of like a year two years three years you start to see what works and what doesn't work and i'll i'll i'll have a thousand three thousand different variations of that right and then i get on stage and by the time i get on stage there's just this feeling of like now it's just pure play whatever happens happens right and when i'm on stage what i try to do is i try to remember when when i'm opening in front of my crowd they're like really hot and one of the things i try to remember is don't yell don't scream try to actually bring them to you mh like set the tempo of the game right don't get like too excited or too hot like you can whip them up but then like sit down at the stool bring them to you and like make the room feel like it's coming to you you know what i'm saying you ever watch film of yourself basically yeah i watch tape all the time yeah and so i see bad habits it's kinda of brutal yeah watch yourself yeah but it's cool though actually like those moments where you like is very painful for your ego and but there's a lot of growth in that the only way to break and get to like the next part is is that part i've done that even in the business world and i i'm gonna keep bringing i this no it's pretty that's where a lot of the audience lives yeah the things you're talking about of how to get ready for the for your performance your day which you do that's i mean i athletes do this before they get on the field if you do the performance of this before they get on the stage yeah i do this before i get on my laptop it sounds lame as i like do but it's like well i'm trying to be my be the best version of myself yeah i'm trying to set an intention before i go out here i'm trying to get out of my head so i can do my best yeah i do all the same things i just supply it into this world and yeah it doesn't matter if it's a call with a supplier or it's a podcast episode or whatever before you came here yeah got it i got through my routine yeah to make sure that is your routine similar ish very similar obviously compressed on not because you know a longer so i'll i'll try i i practiced it where i can do it in ten minutes now i can get that state in ten minutes that's my goal really and has three three components breath work so this first three minutes of breath yeah and so i can use breath to change my ph physiological state right away it'll be push ups and breath work so i'll just do fifteen twenty push ups i'll do breath next three minutes again how do you get out of your head it's not about you gratitude and think about others i have this little extra i do again sounds a little bit cheesy but i'll say it out loud people wanna try this just try it i just let i i rotate through almost like in my head so i'll visualize like let's say my mom my sister whoever people i love people in my life i just visualize them laughing so i just them laughing which is them in their joyful state yeah and there's no like i don't have to think about why nothing i just i've seen them laugh a thousand times i just see them all laugh in succession in my head yeah now i'm not thinking about me and my problems and my needs and my desires my i'm just thinking about them yeah and i'm just it's so a good energy that i like yeah the last you do you you do establish an attention i do establish it and then the last bit is i remember why i'm here and so the thing you were saying was i'm you were saying i wanna bring joy love to the audience wanna make them laugh make them have a great time yeah same thing i used to think what am i gonna say whether it's a meeting a presentation a podcast what am i gonna say what i gonna show up what am gonna say yeah alright that used to para me just what am i gonna say i wanna get the right words i wanna fuck up then as soon as i start talking this little editor in my head being like that's not a dumb yeah yeah you walked up and you said that thing is super and then i'm in my head while i'm doing the thing and you're and your and i wanted to just be clear and okay how did i do that so then i saw stopping about i just i imagine the end so i already imagined after the i already imagined us sam biden each at the end of this yeah and if that happened that means this all went well yeah and i remember okay the people listens to this what are they gonna be thinking they're gonna be thinking they're gonna be saying these things yeah dude that that episode was amazing dude i love hu man i you have him on again he was so good right so now i don't want to think about what questions do i ask i'm already remembering what i'm trying to deliver and then it's i'm not gonna learn a new skill in the next five minutes like yeah the performance is gonna be based on all the hard work i've done over a decade about whatever i'm doing yeah so i don't try to like cram for the exam i just try to put myself in the right day of mind so i just perform the way that the things i already know how to do that's my routine for for you know my house my day how do you get over your part of this thing again call it like the business internet world yeah which can be filled with people that are sincere in their intentions it's filled with g it's filled with sometimes people that are trying to do get rich quick schemes you're part of this really it it it's actually quite similar to hollywood and politics in that way yeah because if you work in show business you'll quickly see that too yeah you know she run from people that are like really about it artists artists nas kendrick lamar all the way to logan paul and jake paul like that are just about like the w circus show at all right this world that you run in and people are now talking about money in business in a run really interesting way when people come out and they comment about you and your businesses and they quote to you and they're dunking on you and that's a part of now the social currency this is all a social currency that you're part of oh the more subscribers i get then i can do me on commercials and we can sell the pod and you're a business guy right how do you deal with those negative critiques does it bother you does it what's so the honest answer is yeah every negative comment yes is like ten times ten yeah every positive comment you know and so that is the initial reaction but there's also a response and reaction so then the initial if i'm not on the right state of mind that initial reaction i'm kinda i'm gonna clap back u or they're a dumb because of this is this i'll go look at their profile i'll healing eleven followers you're saying this shit maybe you know maybe this is why you have eleven followers because you think this you i'm right you're wrong blah blah yeah and realized pretty quickly that doesn't get me anywhere in fact it would waste like almost like half a day or a whole day of mind just checking the mentions for good and bad like this happened if i go viral good you know i i go check all i'm addicted to refreshing i think needed did a amazing bit about this that was the most for me as most relatable yeah just you've played it up it was amazing yeah people aren't gonna know this go see the show you'll see this part about the the the the likes yeah social media cloud that cloud exactly but with that comes the the kind of the the negativity connectivity and that also is fun it's just it's this thing in its own way yeah and so what are i kind of like where did i land with all that yeah okay so you know the good they think i'm like a genius guru i'm not like you know my wife will remind me of that real quick and you know the other people who think i'm an idiot scammer or whatever people who think i'm an idiot who doesn't know anything about anything yeah or i'm wrong or whatever yeah or they'll point out that i've stumbled and said this said this the wrong way or whatever yeah okay where is my focus gonna go like focus on why i'm so great or why i'm so terrible really does nothing for me right so i said okay i do need a sounding board so i'll say so so i get a reaction from people good to or bad about let me just get curious why are people reacting this in this way i'll take a minute to observe that yeah then i'll go internal and i'll say what what's my what's my judgment because i guess my rule that i created for myself was that i want my own opinion of myself to be higher than anybody else's opinion of me you mean positive opinion any anything if i think something sucks that i did yeah i don't care what anybody else says i think it so i basically want my opinion of myself to be the trump card right and so that works for self respect like yeah i stop seeking the respect of others because i'm like well if i don't have the main respect my respect and what is all this other stuff worth but then how did you get that wisdom because it's because we are social creatures my trainer so my my trainer is kinda of my my brought my my trainer i brought from my he's also like a kind of like a he's like me he's like dude it's all in the mind this is a player solo player game yeah and we gotta train this just as much we train the rest yeah so he he said something at the very the beginning he's like do you want to work out and i was like i wanna get f of got real fat doing my last company and i just wanna lose weight okay he wanted like you he wanted to know the drive shaft what's driving you to do this yeah what's making you think that what's making you think you're your fact what's making you why did you call me today why today why don't you call me six months ago what changed yeah and eventually you got down to i had this experience i went with my two best friends who are business kinda like mentors but older than me look all the things i do they've done a little bit more yeah and we all went on a spartan race together and i thought i'm a little bit out of shape we're all out a little out of shape it's no big deal yeah we went on the spartan race and i was way behind and i was just hu and puff and i was dying on this thing and they were like trying to help me and every time they help me i just felt like a bitch i was like oh man wow like this is embarrassing i'd rather they just ran and finish the race right and left me to like you know dial on my own on the mouth the worst thing you could do is like push from me from behind because i'm like there's like shit don't give you the pep talk though and anything but the pep talk yeah so i told him i said i i was pretty embarrassed i had this this situation i said i just wanna like have the respect to the people i respect i thought that sounded like a good thing to say yeah and he goes he goes like respect he goes respects one of those things he goes you wanna give it not seek it he goes so he goes two things he goes we're not gonna do this we're not gonna start this program from a place where you're trying to get the respect to others it goes whenever you feel you lack it's time to give so like let's not worry about who you're who what respect you're trying to get from others and who you're trying to prove to yourself to and all that let's become a give of respect to yourself and to others who and so we started flipping the script and it this became one of my philosophies which is whatever you feel like you lack in the moment mh that's a signal it's time to give that exact thing and when you give it you realized i got it i have it in a abundance it's kind of like a yeah the circular way of thinking about it yeah but that was the the thought process for me at least on this on this topic i guess that's cool yeah that's really interesting man i don't know you know what i know i called you about one of your tweets that went viral again and it was about how it was specifically about the universe and how the digital world will matter more than the physical world and i think the reason why it so deeply philosophically rubbed me the wrong way was because the sudan digital world has comm modified coward mh in such a way that the real world in the game checks you and what do i mean by that you know i grew up i was a you know stacy kid who'd would play at twenty four hour fitness you play ball at twenty four fitness first to twelve straight up or win by two but if you lose get the fuck off the court right i remember there'd be these guys on these guys that were nice it'd be eleven eleven straight up this dude would step back hit it and as he's about to hit it you go get the fuck off the court right and you would respect it because he stood there and he's like i beat you twelve to eleven it's over this is there's no argument yeah this is hard objective his objective reality next yeah and you gotta sit there and you gotta run it back you gotta wait another one game or two games or three games and then run it back but for the first time in history there are people that stand on stage that stand on the stage of business or life or comedy or art and they use their actual government name and then pseudo sudan trolls who don't use their government name can launch digital drone strikes right attacking you your character your family that can then potentially impose economic sanctions upon your future yep and they do it synonymous yeah philosophically i don't rock with that say that shit with your chest right get get on the court with me at twenty four hour fitness let's cook like let's play each other that's what i it's that feeling that fundamentally bothers me this is a dis honorable craft right it's not honorable it's not a fair fight the way i look how how do you think i should unpack that that's the problem i was why does this bother me yeah well that's the first good that that's the right question yeah which is not why are they doing this why is this why does this why does it bother me right the curiosity yeah is what will set you free because you gotta say do i enjoy yeah focusing on this do i enjoy this like trap this like uncontrollable shit you're not gonna stop it yeah we all agree on that you're not gonna turn all off right so so that's not gonna have the world now this is the world and i'm also thinking about my children too because i'm trying to prepare i got a three year old in a one year old how do i prepare them for this new world order right and in a weird way let's i'll i'll keep i'll keep ripping this out with you let's figure this out and a weird way there's times where i'm y i wish punched me in the face actually because i've been i would prefer that how many fights have you got in your life i've into three okay i've got in the lost all of them yes one time some kid was trying to steal my shoes i didn't let him and then he just beat the shit out of me but i'm proud of i i i kept my shoes he'd be one of my jordan thirteen but i kept him but i but i remember i remember being like i like the the ir nature of this there is some level of virtue even in this fight right that it that it ends and it ends today we've resolved this here right which is why you see it when people fight it's gone the beef is usually gone it's gone as long as the fight was on unfair terms yeah both people are like sort of mutual respect by the end of it's over yeah so settled that doesn't happen on yeah this is the first time where we don't really have that and the reason why i'm saying saying say it with your government name if someone says sean is corny or hassan and is corny anytime any comedian or contemporary says that i go cool put up your hour against my hour right oh i'm corny i'll do ten you do ten right let's see what it is let's play a twelve right let's play to twelve i like i love the dance of it straight up or win by two point a merritt based thing yeah but but when ba is a merit based again you said you can get get up on stage yeah you no matter what your name is you can't make them laugh yeah you can't just force them to laugh yeah it is merit based you must earn that laugh it's why my favorite thing right now and pop culture is the versus right i don't know if you saw dips set versus the locks yeah but you could see jada kiss go up against right dips set and i thought dips was gonna win but jada was so nice he just buried them and it was it was let's play to twelve right right you play your records i'll play my records and i and there's something so honorable in that in this new digital world order is so not honorable right because there's no reconciliation at the end either so i quote tweet you and by the way shit posting is now incentivized so actually being a negative nancy and being an absolute in your position is now comm and incentivized so that you can't even recognize y you one i lost good good game and there's no shake on it well it even gets worse because what you say online what you display online the photo you take online is so easily faked so it's not even like twenty it's like if instead up going and play it at twenty four hour it is we each submitted a mix tape yeah and so here's my mixtape date versus your mix mixtape it's like well how much editing really it's going into your lifestyle your opinion persona yeah your face all of it is filtered yeah he's edited is curated leaving out the bad shit and the more real you are so the way i look at this and by the way i'm not by the way i'm not shitting on digital skills so if two people are competing against each other in video games i still like that like there's n nba two k tournaments but it's are you better at two k than me right so i think about like the way in which i wanna live my life and i want my kids to live honorable lives too hey compete and there's no there's no there's nothing wrong with losing but like be a good competitor be an honorable competitor say good game right but when i'm using my government name and bald seventy nine is risking nothing i'm like this is whack this game is whack and in bald even you can't deny that but i i don't know if the people on the other side recognize that go ahead i mean i just love your analysis on this so i guess the way i look at it is with the the pendulum has swung so before and the you know it's we're like in the past when everybody was online everybody was in real life real name merit based you had still had people's opinions in their heads they just couldn't broadcast it people if somebody if somebody thought you a corny before they were thinking that they weren't saying it they they couldn't get amplified from shoulder or they would say like okay cool so you think i'm calling took it took a buy they had to aim me up yeah they were let's swear off in the lunch room so you think i'm corny now i can make fun of your shoes i can make fun of your hat i can make fun of you know what i mean to who you're dating i can pay foot to your mom's cost to enter there's a no cost of the barrier to enter so low right fake name fake handle whatever you could just go on there say what you want you know what we're analyzing right now this is kevin durant syndrome kevin durant is one of the greatest basketball players on planet earth and there are people on the internet that get kevin durant in his feelings filed up yeah and then he says he doesn't care about yeah you know so this actually but because to me i was like y if and i talk about it in the show i'm like y these memes hurt my feelings i'm a person right but i'm like if kd is getting in his feelings seven foot two wings span can cross people over like bill like a philosopher but can move like a point guard and like yeah then just like shoot and sled hammer on you like and he's getting in his feelings about these like layman's at home we're in a big fundamental shift in society and culture in a way that it never was like that before yeah so i i think basically the reason you get the rewards you get are because of all these things as well so you by you going out there under real name the real face with authenticity telling your real life stories which is what you do right you're talking about fertility issues you're talking about stuff like that yeah you're getting like big bing being big the the score the meter is just running up why because it's in such scarcity today we don't get that from most people in most situations so when somebody does it you're running up the score real quick right you get the benefits of being the counter to all the high level of accounts running counter to it you're putting it on the line so you're getting all of the benefits and you're getting the scale of those benefits before without technology right you'd do doing local shows and oh i saw this guy in north carolina he was amazing of the guy you know in texas like i i'm not a fan of that person i've never seen them yeah you do the netflix you do twitter you do stuff like that you're reaching everybody everywhere all at once yeah and so you're getting the benefits of that leverage yeah and so you're running up the score because that is what society lacks today this this real like honor code yeah i'm like look i'm gonna go try to earn it under my real name i'm gonna put myself out there i'll let you judge me and if i'm good i'm good if i lose i lose and i'm willing to play at those stakes yeah because you're willing to play you're getting all this benefit and people who are not willing to play they're not gonna get any of the benefit they're gonna get a so they get this proportional like you know small bit of success if they just like yeah kinda shit on you yeah dope not get a little idiot don't mean hit but ultimately the sort of don't ever really their score never really goes up so you're talking about the capital markets it's efficient it will reward you to ranch or whatever yeah or you're getting rewarded or being authentic and being accountable and you're getting and with that power comes the trade off which is would you like this giant prize yeah and here's the here's what the hair on the deal yeah here's the cost of that big reward yeah where you blow up in like i don't know five years or something like that the last five years you had this like media meteor rise yeah awesome is because you had the right answer when society was going one where you were awesome counter yeah you're willing to say what you was on your mind willing to say what was right and you use technology to go viral as hell because you had something good it went viral as spread like crazy so you're gonna have to pay this this tax this vague along the way and you gotta recognize there are two sides of the same coin and so that's where it's like the the the twenty four hour fitness scale where it was everybody was being accountable yeah cool but it was only operating at this like small scale scale it's not it's not scaled up yeah you're getting the benefits of this thing right and with that comes certain trade offs and that that's why i think that's just like the way i look at it and i think that that's a good framing society is going in that direction and so you're already on the right side of history here where you're willing to play a different game and because of that you're gonna win a very different product yeah and you're you're seeing that your career basically is an example of that so so just so the listeners know i called you on the phone when that thread went viral and i said hey sean like and i'm so glad you picked up very few people pick up these days like real talk pick up the phone and i go hey man like this actually ir me here and and you know i'm such like a i'm an artist man so i operate from a feeling thing and then i start questioning why do i feel the and i was i'm an ir guy but when you're telling me everything is gonna be on the meta i don't wanna be a pseudo synonymous drone right i don't wanna i don't wanna throw drone strikes at people that i can't see i wanna talk about what's real and if you watch the show like i'm talking i was real i'm talking about me and being on of my kids right what i went through going at dictators and and governments and it's real this is real life i talk about lawsuits and this just crazy shit but i'm like hey it's real it's my experience right i'm being sincere and authentic in that experience and i got the receipts and i don't wanna live in a world where i'm a reddit comment and you're a reddit comment and let's just like argue at in that's a zero value add society to me right but well i guess i guess what you're saying is right you're like well the more you double down on that so so the capital markets will perhaps reward so you're being order right now for that accountability right so the comedian who gets up there and just tells dick jokes is not gonna have the same emotional resonance as you going up there and talking about fertility issues and then you're dealing with it and what that was like and the attention that's loaded in that because anybody i just had two kids anybody's has been through anything with kids and that whole process yeah the uncertainty like we didn't even have any issues but my wife was worried that we might have loaded the i'm you have friends that i went through get started earlier because it might happen you know like it's it's a connection so you put yourself the real you out there yeah you get the reward comedian you just makes the dick joke i laugh i move on with my life i don't feel like i'm gonna back this guy the way that i felt like by the end of your i was like i'm about what this dude's about oh wow right because that's you that's what you did you drew a line in the scene you said this is what i'm about yeah right you've told you you built your case yeah and at the end of the that how could you not be laughing right i'm on it's something you when school if you don't cool so it was a very different thing it wasn't just laughing it was like laughing but also this is this person just put their balls on the table and said this is what i'm about yeah and you gotta respect that and then you gotta react that you gotta pick a side you're either about that or you're not and that's okay you can go either way yeah but he made it very clear and then i'm like that guy's gonna build an army because he's gonna be but there's a lot of people who are gonna hear that be like mh i rock with rock with that yeah whereas if you just did a bunch if you just did a bunch of impressions of like what indian sound like i woulda laughed yeah and then i would've have been like the next time you have something i'm not lying out for it i'm not camping out for it right because i don't i didn't connect in that way right but you it so i i think you get paid for for doing that so you're saying just be aware of that be be aware of that and and like recognize what your original remember what's already working for you and why why that bothers used because you're the opposite of that yeah but there's also a piece of it that could be you but you've intensely intentionally driven the other way so when you see it you're like i built my brand being the opposite of that yeah so yeah it's like when apple sees a poorly designed product steve jobs was disgusted when he saw other products that were not thought well thought through he was annoyed with it in a way no other ceo was right because he built himself as we care about the inside of the fucking design of the inside the case what that looks like these motherfuckers don't even care what the outside of it looks like right you know so like it disgusted him in a way it disgust you somebody who has no accountability sort of stands now think just trying to dunk on people on the outside right so i think that's that's that part of it to go to the meta side of it i think it's not as different as you so let's say the world does move to where maybe these online identities and that that digital identity matters a lot yep you know you the screen name and you know my first screen was mister gu apple you know so like whatever that's that's what that's one of our people pixar train us so let me know what that is yeah let's say that let's say that stuck with me yeah it's so funny you don't beat know my first screening it was hu and h one well always biggest way yeah one it's always yes it was taken and then i remember on ai hudson and went online you remember the door at you see at the side of the door but of course right and then i logged in myself yeah i messaged him and then it's just immediately the door closed so i think that yeah whatever your screen name is it'll be the same like this name you have hassan mina that's what was given to you it's your it's for better worst it's your stage name for the world sure and you're building up a you're building up a reputation accountability yeah it doesn't matter if that name was mister group apple or it was it's hassan it's doesn't really matter what the real name it's wherever you're whatever you're gonna make accountable you're gonna say hey if you like me if you trust me put my reputation on this name yeah and then if i fuck up that name has like lost its value yes well the better you might be able to pick because i can name but like it it's still gonna work the same way yeah where people are still gonna have to put up or shut up under some handle it does doesn't matter if it matches your social security number it's kind of like my my take on that but i don't know it's a it's a wild world of how that's gonna turn i think still like it's just we're still the ways away from that where do you you get the points of like the things that you do that you're doing right now like the fact that you take time to train and think you're you are preparing your mind as a physical corporal being with two feet on planet earth yeah rather than being just like this guy with like the heads a and you're just like in the matrix you know what i mean your body is literally just being used as heat to fucking be a part of this yeah ready player one world yeah i what i mean and i'm just like yeah i'm not gonna say i'm above that like maybe when that's here maybe i will like y i remember afraid my kids are gonna like tackle me and they're just gonna put it on my head like just join us yeah join us i don't wanna do this well it's like i don't know if you remember before the phone i remember think it was like bats shit crazy the people we gonna watch movies on this tiny screen why would you do that that's like i don't wanna do that that's no fun i wanna love going into the theater i love the feel of the newspaper yeah you had told me hey you're gonna check your phone like a hundred and seventy times a day yeah i would have been like why would i do i'm a hamster like i don't gonna live that rat lifestyle just get constantly checking for my email yeah why would i need to do that i can just check my email once a day or whatever you like if yeah the things i do normally today would have seemed really abnormal and i could've have i would have been kinda disgusted by some of the things yeah and there are other things i would have been like there's no way they you know like how would be able to do that it's not plugged in where would the internet come from like do you now so now you've embraced that but then how do you eliminate noise from your life like one of the things i'm genuinely curious about is like trunk your friend trunk who's hilarious online yeah fucking hilarious right how my question is i was like how much just internet garbage is going in that guy's head every day i wanna meet where is he like vancouver or something there he's in vancouver i i should have invited him to the show we was just in vancouver but i'm like how much just fecal matter of garbage is going in your head for him to be like this is the meme right he has to sift right this his job it's filtering through and one here's a good one yeah just for shit yeah and how does that affect you're just you're like your body in mind so what i'm asking you and i would love to ask strong is like for you guys how do you eliminate just like this is just sheer garbage and if eighty percent of your day to sift through that which is so much of what internet discourse and again the algorithm is incentivized that just people yelling at each other not solutions oriented thinking and conversation and dialogue how do you then have like a high efficacy rate because i feel like we live in an era hour where you're busy but you're just you're doing absolute horse shit yeah this is where i've haven't heard this great quote from this guy so entrepreneur i remembers his name but he told me something he goes was he's talking about like i was what are doing outside building in your startup up like i was if i'm an invest i first get to know like what what do you do when you're not coding this thing yeah and he was like i was oh got some friends he's what we do i go i he's he's like yeah we're making music i was so you're trying to like make a band he's like no we just like we make music together because he's more fun than listening to music i go what and he goes he goes yeah we make videos i'm like you're trying to be a youtuber he's like no it's just better than sitting there and watching youtube he goes i have this rule which is good friends consume together great friends create together let's he goes so you know you can look at all your relationships and say what percentage of the time are we just consuming we go to a restaurant which just consume shit versus cooking something together yeah when we go to the movies we just consume something or binge watch a show versus like try to make something together make some art do a project together build build of ginger builds doesn't matter yeah what the thing is yeah he goes my the great relationships in my life i i recognize they're great because we create and the ones i want to be great i create more than we could consume right so similarly whether it's even with work i try to create i think most people are consuming like ninety nine percent of the time i think they're literally just mouth open and ingesting like whatever the hell everybody else is you know the few contact creators are creating is taking it all in and then they're hoping that their brain doesn't get like you know turn into like peanut butter yeah and what i do is like i know it's very addictive to just sit there and scroll to feeds yeah i do it some time to time but yeah i try to say alright i need to be creating eighty percent of the content i'll consume twenty percent yeah but of my time that i'm thinking about content that that's like that's like doing this inter i'm not with my family i'm not in the gym and not whatever yeah i'm gonna be creating yeah and so i can only consume to the extent it helps me create how do you build community in the startup was not hard because launch comics probably where we're all trying to do something really hard which build a business from scratch and like you know works you know and yeah so like you know there's a misery loves companies type of thing where it's like it is just there's this rapport that's built amongst people you know think we'll help each other out we'll get along with each other's all going through the same shit so my community became other people who were startup founders when i was doing that and now that i'm kind of more creating content and you know building an audience and a brand it's people who are trying to do that and trying to figure out like like we have one friend pump who yeah he's amazing at content like he's great he's building his brand he's like the bitcoin guy he's the bitcoin guy yeah but when i look at it i say wow there's a lot of things i'd admire about what he did but i also gotta learn that like i would never wanna do what he's doing he does think he does a daily business show on youtube now every everyday he wakes up five in the morning or whatever and he's creating like like three hour of live show yeah he's doing his sq box every every day and i'm like i did it that work i would never wanna do that i never wanna go that path pass so i'm like yeah trying to triangulate and learn from he did these other three things i thought we're fucking dope yeah but i'm like oh that's a great idea i should add that to my game yeah just like any athlete date it's like anybody trying to get good at anything you surround yourself with people who are in the game trying to do the same thing as you that's your peer group and you comm and you share strategies with each and then you have some people who already like have done it they're are kind of your mentors and you go to them you know from time to time and ask them for some i'm sure you have the same thing and totally bet yeah i asked the jedi yeah yeah there's a bunch of jet and there's other pet that are part of my like contemporary class that's all the time yeah and how did you get good like when did you go from suck to non suck like because everybody starts i believe that suck that's like the pixar way i don't know you heard this for pixar is a philosophy which is all movie start at suck our job is to like remove the suck yeah so this non suck left of me yeah yeah so i took that approach man the daily show changed my life man seeing the way john stewart worked and especially that institution both daily show and snl love them hate them they're part of their comedy institutions snl for fifty years now daily show a twenty five you know that are these pe boot camps for understanding the process about how to think about comedy right and one of the things that i realized is what john taught me and trevor showed me you know john really unlocked the code but it's like it's all about your take what is your take in being able to back it up so it's not even being funny first it's what is the take what am i trying to what is the take what am i philosophically artistic trying to say and let's give an example who you had in the show last night you're like you met this guy who's a private equity guy you're like what the fuck is at yeah he's like yeah we do like l and you're like is what is a leverage guy we'll use it as you get to as you get to the bottom of you're like so you use other people's money to buy other people's companies and if you ruin the people's lives in them then by firing them and getting them making them profitable and flip it to somebody else yeah you're like yeah i'm not cool with that like i think that's a little bit of a fucked up way to win is to like yeah this kinda like vulture just legal stealing yeah yeah yeah you that was never your money to be yeah this this also it's it's it's stealing well it's legal oh just just as legal doesn't mean it's ethical right you know bill c got off legally right we all know what it is and so like that is what the joke i would start with that's my take around leverage buyout and vulture funds right then you start tagging it you can do the that bill c tag he got off legally it's not we we all know and i think oh whatever what he did or whatever the glove didn't fit yeah right alright so you must glad okay and then you start tagging and then the funny just starts flowing from there and then you go that's like this and then you can just what are you you're sitting in a room with like a few people you just spit ball r banter just like that yeah and then eventually you gotta put pen to paper right you gotta start writing the act one and you start to see when i watch weekend update or when i see an act one on the daily show or any of those are desk segments i now see the matrix i now see oh i know how to construct a seven and a half minute piece right last week tonight patriot act i know how to do a twenty seven minute on it right i know the beats in the flow of that and what was really cool was it just gave me that that central kind of like philosophy how do i do this and so the first ten eleven twelve years on my career i was just trying to be funny and what john in twenty fourteen really helped me unlock was like no no you need to have like there needs to be an actual process and purpose to what you do no i'm not saying this as a virtue thing no just you just need to be like even if you're doing dick jokes or even if you're being silly there needs to be you need to understand the game and how to heighten it comedic right even stupid silly jokes or you know are are like that and so that was the unlock for me and then just reps trying to get as good as possible now my my next thing that i'm just working on the most is the jazz part of it like y just have fun right that's always been one of my weaknesses because like i told you like i'm a kit structure structured and so and so we're so built around fear and so there's these moments that i try to have on stage i don't know if you saw is like i'm just kind of un unchanged like the first like three or four minutes of the set i'm just i'm literally just r yeah when i was making fun of the kids shorts there's a kid in the front row the shorts just short shorts not yeah saying yeah the eyes were just like all up on the chair and then like the seats in the back and you know seeing people come in late and then ripping off of that it's pure jazz now jazz has structure but there's also play right and then you can go back to it and like it's that organized chaos that i'm trying to like start to tap into yeah and you're doing well now you i don't know how you were doing before i'll say let's say when was like the when did things start getting real good as about last four or five years yeah i was probably around like white house dinner that was my kinda big breakthrough right national recognition moment of like you don't have to be a fan of the daily show or just a fan of comedy like i penetrated you know front page of the news feed type fame and clout and credibility type thing yeah and you she started doing well start making money doing this thing which amazing yeah so hard to do so you did it yeah and what do you do so let's i'm wanna talk about the breakout how you broke through but now that you're here you've arrived you're doing really well now business side of things yeah how you running the show so what are you just in like dude i'm just fucking touring twenty four seven i don't even think about the the money just goes in an account i don't think about it yet are you like investing what are what are you thinking about yeah and so you know that's the really interesting thing is now i'm starting to think more about the business side of things not in so much of the i'm a venture capitalist i wanna a hundred x i want a thousand x right the way show business works i think like any business really but show business specifically is extremely predatory mh and it's built on this idea that we provide the labor and they're kinda banking on you being desperate right dumb and not owning your ip and right content creation they they kind of are banking on that and they meaning like the big studios the big streamers the powers that be the agencies all those sort of things they're banking on you not knowing what it is and i think for the first time in history we're starting to see close groups of collaborators starting to come together and build things themselves right they can still run them through the big pipes in the studio system but they're also like no no we independently operate we cook everything we write everything completely so like me and we started a company and we write we produce we executive produce people's projects but we do the whole thing kit and cabo brutal right and hypothetically sean would come to me and go hey listen man i'm i'm hosting this fifteen minute event at this thing and i wanted to fucking rip i wanted to kill i go cool let's what's your take what do you wanna say blah come sit down with me in pv let's break down your act one right and we'll tag it up and do all that stuff and that's a cool opportunity for us to collaborate and for us to brown paper bag amongst each other and i love the ethos of that like hey let's build together right you're an artist and a creative i'm an artist in a creative i think lawyers are important i think agents are important they're fine but they're necessary evils this brown paper bag this honest relationship that we have as artisans together is of you know the paramount importance and the more artists we can learn about just the business side of things i think it's gonna be for the for the better the other the other part of it man is i'm just i'm so much of my life was just trying to make it yeah now i don't even know what to do with money i'm trying to understand what is money what to do with it right what's your mindset at now so what if wherever arrived on that to me money represents you know in capital represents two things money will not solve all your problems but money can take care of certain certain problems so if there's ten problems four of them say child care right my daughter's braces yeah you know being able to uber back and forth to the airport i can take those problems off the table right it will not solve my marriage it will not make me a loving father or an attentive father those are problems i have off it won't make me in shape it won't help my mind but at least taking those pain points off the table means a lot to me but there's another data point as an artist that money can help solve two things it gives me the opportunity to say no to things you have fuck money like you should host this game show and no i'm not gonna do that right it also gives me the opportunity to imprint my worldview view upon the world on my terms right so the so the show you saw i own it outright right i i'm i'm not just in the comedy business that on yourself i'm in the trucking business like i i own and operate that eighteen wheel truck you're like may weather those lights those like the there's the holiday that i'm standing on that blows like i own it like again i was i don't know what i'm gonna do with that after the special but there's a sense of empowerment of y i wanna say this in the world and i have the capital to imprint my world view upon the world right and that there's a deeply empowering feeling in that the next thing that i'm trying to learn and the reason why i wanna be on podcasts and meet people like you is artists we need to learn more about how money works mh so once you make it and you wanna buy house and provide for your family and you know hopefully have childcare care in some capacity and how do you not blow it on dumb shit right to the point where it gets really sad man there's a lot of artists and entertainer you'll get hit up and they'll be like hey so so has cancer we need to do a comedy benefit to pay for their medical bills i'm like this is sad man this guy was on snl this guy was on but blah this guy was on a sitcom and i'm like yeah this has to stop right and my question to you would be and this is the thing i'm trying to figure out is if you were an artist and you all of a sudden we make our money in lump sums you all of a sudden we're given two million dollars a million dollars five hundred thousand you just make these lump sums what would you do with that money yeah that's the fundamental question that i'm trying to figure out and answer the first thing is it's gonna be a bunch of people telling you what to do with your money and you gotta avoid them at all cost correct the people that are swoop in with the next great opportunity and trying to get you to buy if i can you know kentucky fried chicken franchises and shit like that like yeah you to sort of say alright how do i get a trusted person who is an expert at this yeah that is actually good at their job and how do we align our incentives so that they're not able to just pill me like happens so bunch of athletes yeah they're not just my homeboy you know from from high school or whatever yeah i trust them but they cannot not be experts it's like yes i find the intersection trust and expert can tell you where where it gets really hard you know i'm fortunately like again i grew up i'm i'm kind of you know i'm a nerdy kid i i was never i don't roll with an entourage you i i pulled up in a uber here like solo with my backpack so i don't have all those pitfalls that other artists and entertainer have where they're a couple of yeah had jewelry purchases a couple car purchases in a divorce away from just like losing it all yeah you know i'm a pretty like level headed you know guy that being said you know it's interesting you you try to do your research and it's it's crazy i'm thirty six years old i'm starting to re read about you know financial literacy and stuff like that i'll read books i'll read jail collins book you know and you know he's an advocate of v bts right just vanguard funds yeah but when i go on the internet and i start looking through your mentions and i go through your page or sam's page nobody trying to fuck with bts it's like you old man you're not on the salon how do i how do you have figure discern truth onto logical truth reality and light from just this banter just this just never ending yeah up down nature of noise so here's i would do alright so here here's how i would break it down i'd say what do i want so there's some people were saying i'm trying to become baby i'm trying to become kevin heart i'm trying to do whatever i'm trying to have this mega mega empire billion dollar status some people who say look i came from nothing and i got this thing now i'm not i need a certain level of security and safety that's what makes me happy is knowing i can never go down to zero knowing that i can never fuck up and lose at all it is it is safety for life for me and for my kids what is that number yeah so you start to play with these numbers you start saying what does life cost and what do i want your brought goals with this what's my burn right now you first gotta take that lay the atlantic i don't need any strategy without an objective so any strategies meant to get you to some objective what most people will do wrong is they're just picking strategies without really c the objectives yeah and why why why is that thing can i stand and defend why i believe that this is what i'm going for yeah that this is my strategy like how do i get to the point where i know what i want and i i can defend what i want to myself i'm not you know like i can articulate it yeah actually like wife decided that and i said no to these other plausible paths that might be right for others but they're not for me yeah so you set your goal that way so that's the first my most important my goal is two things and i've identified them so i think about these things a long time you know being on tours is really good because you just start to planes are great you just haven't a lot of time take a lot of time shower in the air to think yeah and one of the things that i thought about was like it's two things it's like to me being a father and a husband means providing financial safety and security for my kids you know i grew up in a family i wanna give what i wanna to talk about this too much but money was always a thing that people my family argued about and i never wanted that to be a thing here and that it's a tough thing to do if you're an artist are you kidding me that's why did you pick that path but it was it's what's honest to me but to me what what money and business represents okay if i can earn enough so that god forbid this goes to shit but i have enough run rate want runway room and this is gonna sound crazy but for ten years mh because i do deep work like it took me two and a half three years to write the show right took me a long time to put it together and i hope the depth of that resonated with you into the audience that's my dream right y you you feel up what this meant to me and what this i hope i hope you see me i hope you see it i hope you feel it too but in order to do that i have runway room yes i have to have two years to be able to hold up and write this movie write this thing i have a couple projects that are now lined up after we shoot this netflix special but they've required a ton of time right time you need financial capital to cover your burn yep to cover like i said you know my daughter baby girl she has glasses now and yeah yeah and now there's all these additional things my mom her knees are going she needs knee replacement surgery you know i'm the eldest these are real things and i i put it is like no i need that burn for you know ten years right but now we live in a world where we're not even be able to retire yeah so i have to start thinking no i i gotta be rock i wanna be mel brooks i wanna be doing this you know got hopefully dick gregory i'm doing this until i die right i love that dick gregory died with dates on the books he was gonna do rooster brothers in sunny california living legend man and i'm and i'm like what an inspired life right so many people are like well he wasn't the biggest comedian i'm like bro you lost the plot yeah exactly he's still playing the game what a beautiful thing in his eighties right god god give please give me life so i can continue to do that so that's it's that burn what's that number ten maybe ten years five years and i've told my account this right then the other thing is is what is the financial capital that i need to then continue to imprint my vision upon the world so the show that you saw the burn to run it man is almost forty grand a week just in labor costs trucking costs getting it to venue to venue it's a lot right now do that at scale i'm talking for six months eight months nine months to a year gotta take it over to europe to asia it's australia all of those things it's like i wanna be able to count creative capital yeah only on myself i'm not asking for a network you know so funny like one of the things that artist now complain about is like the studio said this and i'm like hey man we got a shift yeah to now being like no no we have that now in order to do that i gotta be able to make money not at a one x yeah two x five x i have to start making moves i can potentially ten exit i can then cover that burn so those are my two missions yep how do i continue to do king's gestures and take care of my family i'm not trying to be a billionaire it's just those two things yeah so that that will give you a number or set of our range yeah but you say alright what are the strategies that could be the get me to that you you're not gonna know them yourself because you're like i spent ten years getting fucking amazing at comedy not the money game right the money game is it's its own game i'm gonna respect that the same way when i'm like dude i wanna do comedy yeah i know comedy means it's a game that i i know what it was like to be an absolute beginner in business like i might ask cake for eight years straight yeah it's probably gonna feel very similar if i ever wanted to like even just like have the experience of going to do in a five minute comedy set i'm probably gonna if you get ask for like a year or two yeah to just be able to go do that yeah so you gotta say alright how do find somebody that's gonna do that and i need somebody who i need them more than they need me yeah that'd be a great thing to have right because a lot of people who need you they need you for the they need you for the money they need use you for many so you need to find something who doesn't really need you they're happy to help they're happy to offer that they get something of it there it has to be a mutual exchange yeah but they're good already and so that's why i like hanging out with people we're good already so when i go to them they're not trying to dig in and oh yeah here's a business i you here's what you should do by the way can get some adviser shares can i some equity it's like well you don't they don't need that because they hit they're already playing the game at a higher level in money game so they don't need me for money yeah when it comes to so i can trust their advice in from that sense because yeah or you know they're not looking for that so then you get a bunch of strategies say alright here's why my safety my safety playbook i want this amount of money that's in something like vanguard low cost etfs that's expected to grow seven percent i could chart that out it's say alright that's what that looks like over ten years yeah then i need my high risk i reward part of the portfolio that's that's the eat that's and i've read those like jason cal has a book where he just was like hey take a hundred thousand dollars and turn it into a hundred right let me ask you this is that real that part i do not believe is real what i don't very mis misguided and i don't know you know my whole thing is you know and you can like it not like my comedy whatever but i'm trying to meet people where they're at right i love people bro like i never wanna lose i call it the cost of milk energy if you ask my dad how much is milk my dad be like in manhattan and at the bode or at costco over in new jersey if we go over the bridge he'll tell you the cost of milk i love that like knowing how much gas is right knowing how much it is to like lease or buy corolla so why i drive an odyssey right so like man i wanna fuck with people i love people so for me one of the biggest things that i'm trying to do also is like if i can learn perhaps even through my comedy through my gift i can help meet the people where they're at mh i'm never gonna run with the a sixteen z's right maybe who knows they may they want me to they may want me to like perform at the birthday party or something would drake you know the kids twelfth for they're just like they really like austin come come do ten minutes but i'm talking about like man that i'm speaking to that it's funny i had this joke that i did on patriot act where i made fun of bitcoin the the dudes who like tell me to invest in bitcoin i said i believe in bitcoin i just don't believe in the people that tell me to get bitcoin because it's all my homie that told me to take out a subprime mortgage in two thousand and eight i'm like travis property you want meet me you want me to take out like a mortgage oh wait yeah and why you just like all like yeah diamond hands now yeah you're diamond hands me to death or whatever and they're like you dumb the fuck motherfucker look it's at sixty k now yeah and the comic in me is like bro keep it a hundred keep it a hundred with me use your government look me in the eye tell me honestly right the reality is you have ten k in the bank the cost of living in mil pe is too high and you need that shit to fucking two hundred x right and so you are betting everything on this and that's why my jokes are getting to you now look me in the eye and use your government name and tell me am i lying so i think that am i being real check me if i'm wrong check me sean you're not wrong you're not wrong what i would say is but maybe i'm misguided maybe what there's certain level of skepticism you have that is absolutely needed yeah and you're you have to get to the root of yeah why are you saying this do you know what you're talking about what is it for you if i do this you know what you know you don't wanna be blind following the blind yeah what i do one thing that works for me this like a hack a cheat code when i was doing that sushi restaurant thing i told about we're you're trying to find the perfect location they said in restaurants location is everything so we're like oh fucking gotta be location experts we're scouting we're doing all this real estate shit we're looking up and then we just realized hey chipotle puts like you know billions of dollars and picking the right location don't we just go right next to wherever every chipotle is and we're and that's actually the strategy that's that quiz and a whole bunch of other brands had used got it noodles and company if you go look next to chipotle there'll be a noodles and company there or there be a a subway there they all just they're like well they do all the research and they're in attraction so like yeah we just go next to then we could pay piggyback because they're putting their skin in the game and i'm just telling us as a good agent yeah they are putting down their roots they're investing money yeah which means this probably a good idea yeah so i have a couple buddies who i'm like look you've been successful in this game what are you putting your money into now and in what ratios are you putting them how much of your money are you putting into these things and how do you think about them i triangulate between four people like that yeah i say okay now i have a base understanding of like where they are putting their skin in the game they're not telling me to do it because they get something out of it they are put themselves investing in this they're doing certain amount of diligence that like they in a space that they understand and so you're able to get there's an intelligent way to copy and then it follow yeah there's an intelligent way to follow and then there's an uni unintelligible way to follow as well yeah the intelligent way to follow is i heard some shit from some guy who's got an incentive to sell me this thing yeah and i don't really understand why he's telling me to do this and yeah i can't really ask him i don't know what percentage of his portfolios is in this know so i can show some random cryptocurrency i'm excited about yeah people like oh you said that was great yeah i put half a percent of my net worth into it because i understood it in this way and i thought had this risk reward you put thirty percent of your net worth into it never told you to do that yeah yeah i never told you to do anything but you interpreted x as y yeah so there's an intelligent and an intelligent way to do it but that's kind of my approach of like how i would do this it's alright there's a money game you gotta learn i'm gonna learn along the way yeah i'm gonna speed up my learning curve like partnering with people who already are playing this game at a higher level than me that don't need any they don't need the money from me they're not getting in cut of me yeah but they're happy to do it because it's cool to know a comedian yeah you know it's like i i a so yeah like yeah it's just it's fun right and so like there's that's how i would approach i was the other thing you said which is important which is the artist have to get leverage so like people were last night when we were leaving the show was talking to my sister i said oh it's was amazing this my dad was like i can't my dad the whole time i told you i bought the beer like i can't believe you about that beer yeah at the show so expensive that beer is a dollar at costco was like i know i understand that yeah i'm having an experience at the show here i wanted to have a beer and enjoy the show yeah that was worth thirteen dollars to me i know the beer only cost just crazy dollars thirteen dollars and so he's like he's like i can't believe so many people pay to come to show how can they afford a show like this and i said well people care about like they're having fun like this this their budget understand you don't allocate your budget to that and they do and he was like he's like he's was like you know this guy might been doing amazing because he's he did eight shows or whatever in bay area he's got a netflix show i say yeah he's doing for i'm sure he's doing great i said but also think about like i don't know what your netflix deal is but i know that if i was offered a netflix deal i'd have to do it for zero essentially right netflix kinda knows that i have to say yes i have a netflix show yeah so my bargaining power is probably very low yeah so even though it's a big deal and it might do well yeah my negotiating power in that situation my leverage is low right versus this show that you own you leveraged is higher right yeah so it's like i say you know just because somebody has certain things you do for distribution and fame and so as you do monetize and that was the comedy central deal like you're on the daily show you're on snl right to be on a cultural exactly take your name built yeah they know like you can they can pay you whatever yeah and so how do you get the leverage back and so that's where there's this idea by the way that like ralph who's who said this somebody said this i'm stealing on it but why wouldn't comedian create like oh everybody's getting big big big checks from netflix and others to go do a special now yeah and okay here's you know i think she pay whatever this something like thirty million bucks twenty million bucks i know what the numbers it's on that range very big upfront payday yeah yeah they know they're making the money on the back end otherwise they offer that kind of money yeah but also a key data point you need to know is it's just like you cannot use rey ronaldo deal lebron deal steph curry ultra max deal or chap ultra max deal because the delta between who the capital markets pay number one man you gotta see what buddy healed on the sacramento is making no because buddy's solid but what is he but is he top ten in the league he top fifteen in the league that's the real again i talk about the costco milk thing that's the real working class artist if you can't be kevin hart if you can't be jeff bezos if you can't be cha off or whatever and you can't ball out at a bill and what do you what are the moves you make exactly that's why i'm trying to operate my life hey assume you won't be will smith right you won't be the biggest movie star in the world and the capital markets are gonna pay you at a thousand x say they they pay you at ten x what moves do you then do to have a healthy happy artistic career for the rest of your life that's my mission i wanna continue to make art yeah honest for the rest of my life yeah so i think well i'll answer a little but let's the idea real quick is the idea is if the artist got together and create the streaming technology now is actually like pretty standardized off the shelf you can you can have a white labeled version of netflix yes in six months yes the thing you need draws and so like if somehow and this is always the coordination problem yeah if you could somehow coordinate the key artist to say hey we can own the motherfucker we can actually create our own platform that's a comedy streaming service yeah that people pay for yeah and we're gonna share the the dividends sort of like merit democratic meaning if i come to watch your show if i subscribe to the service yeah because if hu show yeah you're gonna get the bounty of my my joining yeah and if i also watch you know three other artists yeah they're gonna get some some cut of the subscription it can be what what crypto and other things are enabling is a basically create owned platform form yeah somebody's gonna do this i know if it's in comedy or if it's in some other music or some music which trailers kinda like that right no it's same thing it's a company then then they they cut checks they get the artist to come on board and then they they pi out the artist to go get customers yeah and the artist feels like they're getting a good deal because they're cash rich but they're equity poor yeah they're getting and and you know they might cut a deal with jake paul because the trailer has nothing to lose so they're like yeah you get two percent yeah you know they'll cut that to one person yeah what i'm talking about is if chappell evan hart if you could somehow coordinate the forces that be yeah to say let's create a platform that's only put our art on this platform comedy is one of those things where the fans will pay to jump the fence to get the thing yeah and they're willing to pay to also support their funny i have the answer to that so that would be a platform that would be value it it could eventually be valued you know easily single digit billions of dollars that would be create owned and then as you cycle out in the next community comes up they would have basically join a syndicate yeah they'd be pumping their fan base into it they would be getting their proportionate share based on how much how much audience is they're bringing to the i'm presenting and i love your analysis on this again i don't know i'm trying to learn but i'll i'll just share the things that i've learned from just being in the circle you know shout out to my man az z az was you know chap is doing all these summer camps in in ohio and and one of my comedian friends az i think he's you've met with him he was saying asked dave he goes and and i love az az z's like he's always been a future writer of rem right yeah and he's but he's always been a future he's always been twenty years ago and i tell ago go az you got the a gore problem in two thousand was at the internet i everyone got up yeah he look like an idiot in twenty years won't be twenty years ago you wanna maybe like three three to five years yeah yeah yeah you want you wanna be that guy was oc and you're like brother this sucks that's always my i was i wanna be the oc dude it yeah you what i dude you go you don't watch a jungle book on oc with someone who's giving me a headache like cut this shit out anyways he goes he goes up to dave and he goes dave man you come on bro you're the goat you're number one you can just put it up on dave chappell dot com right everybody would pay you five or ten bucks or fifteen bucks twenty bucks maybe a radio had style a hundred dollars nip also right proud to pay and louie did that yeah dave's like this he goes like this he goes new fans what about new fans mh what that netflix billboard gives you is it pumps that tile out in front of you whether you like it or not i don't know sam par yeah i slid in sam's dance sam's i slid in your dms you didn't hit me back but when he's with his wife and they open up the the yep and they see my tile and they see my like am my i my raccoon on adderall face sam now has to reckon with that right then sam he's sitting on the couch he pulls out his phone and then he sees you re tweet my thing he's like man is didn't you dude what's this guy let me see this guy boom i've now picked up sam par i know a convert with you your cousins are gonna talk about me your your sister gonna talk about me whatever but i'm talking about new fans mh you know what i mean and the distribution they do to get new fans on board that's what this proud to pay movement doesn't have right so everybody's told me hey start an online shop i'm like cool i'll do homecoming king low can shirts cool what about your three other coworkers the dude in that room where i want them to know who i am right so that's what you know louie put out his last special sincerely lucy k did you see it no why didn't you see it because it was just a closed network between him and his direct fans people couldn't get outraged about it they couldn't write about it which would then get you to would tit you you got i'm gonna watch it right which would that get you to watch it and he'd pick you up as a new fan yeah it had yeah exact that's a hundred percent closed it have to be paired with a pretty aggressive clips strategy right so one the ways you grew was because i watch a hundred sixty minutes of the correspondence like speech forty five minute it was long speech right twenty seven minutes twenty seven minutes it's because couple of those clips get on instagram they get shared there and tiktok they go viral yeah and twitter instagram tiktok that's where you'd have to basically pair it with that that'd be the only way that you could get the exposures to say there's great shit we're gonna use youtube we're gonna use take tiktok can use whatever and we're actually gonna they're gonna take the best stuff yeah we're gonna dang it over there we're gonna let that be shareable yeah it still may not work to actually like yeah simulate the new fan it like that's why that's the there's that in the coordination problem which is the biggest people you want they're getting over paid by the networks yeah because they're that's the strategy of the network lock them and lock them in and then every other orders has to follow yeah had at a almost below market rate because this is where all the headline liners are you wanna be where they are yeah that's what feels like a first class thing as an artist yeah if i'm in the airport and people like what do you do your comedian i go yeah and then and then i go yeah how do i see you i go good download yeah and yeah and i'm just like netflix like go netflix yeah because netflix has that the dumb factor just like damn i man my kids watch coco mel i watch netflix i watch blah so the thing is amazon disney and netflix right now they're running it yeah and i'm trying to think to me i'm trying to have a barbell approach to it so if you follow me on instagram i put out content i put out videos tyler my video videographer we put out stuff but i'm trying to barbell it and i'm trying to figure out yeah how how do we start to monetize those things now the most the most the clearest sign of that that i've seen which has a low cost of entry has been podcasting comedian podcast podcasting and people like tom s people like joe rogan people like andrew schultz those guys have been able to call me call call your daddy you know people in that pocket dax shepherd people in that space have been able to build up their own independent platforms and have more leverage here's my issue with it i find it very risky to put up every single thought and idea that i have in real time on the internet i'm be candid with everybody listening i have no hidden thing here i'm just be transparent the reason why i'm honest as i love what you do i think what you do is honest and sincere and i think artists need to start to talk to people in your space to be like you understand business we understand art how can we work together how does this all how do these these two worlds now merge right without being part of a a multinational conglomerate and then have business affairs and lawyers and all that stuff mu it up that's the interesting new world that that i'm really excited about and that's what i'm trying to figure out mh yeah i love it yeah i don't know how much time you guys i got time i be respectful no i got something the camera still rolling over there yeah perfect yeah finish up with a couple things you do you listen to the bot i don't know you actually listen listen to the bot yeah amazing yeah when you listen to it you there's always the the beautiful part when a guest listens to the show because most oh honestly most guests don't but they if they do the best part is there's a moment on podcasts and when you're at home and you're hearing people talk about stuff in you're screaming and either like you don't get it yeah talk about this instead or no i disagree and like they normally never get the mic they just have to sit there and sort of punch air as as we just drone on about whatever hell talking about yeah yeah what are those things that when you're listening and you're like i would say this or i wanna know about this or i wanna talk about this what are those things for you as you know now you you broke through the wall and you're here yeah for me i'll tell you the moment that i loved and by the way this is this has been my ethos with comedy writing and i learned this at the daily show you can only tear something down and this also works with movie writing and script writing if you tear something down you gotta pitch an alt mh don't just shit on the idea pitch and alt right and what's the alt joke what's the alt take otherwise sit down like sit on the sideline you're not in the game so if i'll tell you what i love actually there's i i don't have a a ton of criticism i've actually asked those questions the one that i loved is you guys had this run that you and sam did there was two things that i sincerely loved you guys had this thing if you had a million dollars what would you do with it ted today i love that then there's another thing that you did that was really cool it was vulnerable and again the reason why i resonated with me is had a at a level of honesty and transparency in it you guys were candid about your asset portfolio distributions right and sam was like i'm a little bit more conservative risk conservative and you're like i'm more risky right and there's two moments i love it was the thing what i do with a million dollars and there's a moment that you did where you're like i wanna move through the world in a way what if i was worth a hundred million dollars and i wanna build my days around that yeah but where did you get that from so there's two things i love those are just two things i love but i wanna actually just tag that with the question where did you get that attitude that like that bd that's a that's a that's that's a big big energy i had a thing i was talking to the when i got when we got acquired we went to twitch yeah and they brought in this guy who became like i i an initially issue reporter straight to the ceo and they brought in this guy he became this the the chief product officer yeah and he was like twitch switches like this gamer young gen z millennial gift product yeah this guy comes in gray hair doesn't play video games you know was like at google in two thousand three years or some shit like that yeah and he's was obviously smart and accomplished in the tech world role but seemed like so out of touch with the product yeah so people are like why don't we have this guy like internally like rumbling in the engineering ranks were sort of like this guy didn't get it like the people already hate upper management in general they think that out of touch making bad bad decisions yeah so there was just like skepticism is this guy gonna get and he would ask questions and meetings that were like oh like you don't like you do you know what fortnite is like wait wait how are you how do you have this job if you don't know like he didn't know what my crap was used discord for exactly he was just he didn't get he was like i'm asking questions to learn why i ask i'm obviously if i'm asking the question i don't know i think it's important to know you think i should know this so i'm gonna learn it right here like instant that he didn't care yeah that's a bunch of question when i he asked me he sat down with me he was like let's do like a one on one and he's like alright it's career career planning or whatever and he's like so what do you wanna do and i basically when you when you sell your company of this deal this vest structure so it's like you basically get some cash upfront and then it's like after one year you're gonna get your next big check and after two years gonna get extra check if you make it to year or three you get the last bit i didn't make it deer i only got two but at somewhere self imposed or you guys gotta yeah i was just like this is enough if i wanna go do other the shit yeah i'm surprised i even got to do two like one i knew i would do because one locked in my family security so i was like right i'm gonna suck this up and i don't care how bad this sucks i'm gonna get that year i'm gonna lock in like get family is good yeah i'm a gonna get the bag and so i was there and he was like what is the number if you don't mind me asking what is that number in the bay area i've been always said six million i said six million is where your money works for you every up till then you're working for money your money works for you at six million why did why did i size six because i said alright you oh you work backwards so i said alright my burn rate i think at the time i calculated it i was like we're spending like twenty thousand dollars a month k what's my like monthly expenses and i said okay i don't if it's gonna go up or down no i'm sorry i know it's not gonna go down it's probably only gonna go up right because it's very hard to give things up once you have certain services or certain lifestyle or size house whatever you don't wanna plan to downsize i wanna plan to buffer in some growth i said okay so that gets you to two hundred and forty thousand dollars a year okay so let's say tune how do i make it so that just the interest on the money i own so just the the gains on that money being invested in in the market and i don't need like a home run yeah just like if i'm making and yeah if i'm making seven percent or let's let's call it four or five percent is like four five percent as a target yeah so you just do the math like as the rule is i don't do public math but you take two hundred forty thousand you divide it by the five percent or whatever and that gives you some number i forgot what the calories were but i know the number came out about six million k let's say alright at six million six million dollars invested would yield an amount of money that will pay for our lifestyle rather than me going and working a job or doing something that requires income to pay for our lifestyle yeah so i came up with this number and some people are like that's too low some people are like why is your monthly expenses so high i look i i like to live a certain way i'm gonna try to live that way like i'm not telling you you need this spend this much point yeah i'm gonna i'm gonna get with avocado i like avocado exactly the guac sure i said that give me two servings that's why i wanted to be able to not have any weight on that right and so i was like alright well that's the i'm trying to live that walk life and so so that became a a numb a target number right and said alright i wanna hit that number and i said okay so you know i trying to secure that back so so winding back to this this question of how did i get this this mindset so i talked to the guy he takes me and he says what are your career you got the six sixth though i got to the six scott i said alright well how do i he post tax right yep except have you have to have it exactly yeah so i said alright well he goes when you when you think about your career what are you gonna do and i knew the the right answer to say oh you know i love to yeah i love it here at twitch and i would love to stay here forever and i could see myself being used someday reality was i couldn't i didn't i was having fun because i made it in my way but i was like this is not where i wanna be forever yeah and i was like i'm just gonna be honest with this guy i'm gonna tell him and it's a weird conversation you're basically telling your boss i don't plan to be here for very long yeah which is in a way saying right don't invest in me you know like don't promote me don't give me opportunities give it to the next i because he cares it's kind of like a weird thing by i decided i'm gonna be honest so i told him he goes what do wanna do he's like then we don't need to talk about this twitch shit like tell me what you wanna do i said well first i'm doing this of that then i can go do this thing i wanna do you goes i don't believe all that i go what you don't believe i wanna do this he goes no don't believe that strategy of life i i don't believe in this life plan of i'm gonna do all the stuff i don't wanna do that then i could do all these things i do mortgage for a future it may not have exactly this this is never gonna come like i've around the block people who have that plan is like very rarely do you ever do the thing you wanna do because he's it's much better just do the thing you wanna do start that now don't spend five years doing the thing you don't wanna do because it's a means to an end but then but then we should talking about is that if you had approached that you would have never perhaps gotten that six exactly so so he had a different mindset so i said alright well what does that look like and so so here he goes why don't you just like figure out what you wanna do yeah figure out what it require what what amount of money and what skills what you'd required and start accumulating those yeah so that's actually where the six came i said oh i wanna be able to wake up every day and do a certain amount do a certain thing which is basically wake up and just work on whatever i was most interested in right like i told you dude i wanna like why your comedy sometime i wanna understood i wanna do have these other things i'm like dude why don't i make a song that like just slaps like why was it a catchy ass song i yeah i wanna produce i wanna produce a record yeah like i don't know anything about it but like wouldn't that be fine if i just made a catchy ass song that kinda hit yeah and like it's not i'm not to entirely to do the best position but like why not like why why not i write a book why not i do all these things like that'd be a fun way to spend a career that's kinda how i thought about it yeah so i said saw alright well if i wanna be able to do that i gotta have this you need time yeah gotta have time that's deep i let me a stand up d dj anytime yeah that was kind of my mindset and so along the way like in my i talk to my trainer and he goes if you wanna have a certain thing carry yourself like the guy who has that thing very simple really the fake it till you make it thing not even fake it till you make it you believe you will feel a certain way when you have it that's why you want if let's say you want a hundred million dollars you want a billion dollars whatever your number is five million dollars one million dollars you believe you want that because you think you're gonna feel a certain way when you have it yeah so let's skip all the middle shit and let's just believe that we have let's let's believe that we're gonna have let's carrier ourselves like that let's have that feeling now don't pump the feeling until the end when you're sixty okay and maybe you've achieved your goal so what he's basically saying is a level of confidence right and confidence is security and not playing scared exactly yeah then this this byproduct of that you know the comedy take i had on this by the way is the way my brain works the extremely wealthy and the homeless actually operate the same way which what delusion which is what is what anything i do isn't gonna affect my life anyways what you gonna do the incredibly rich that's buddy and people who are like at the same mindset yeah are are just like hey what are you gonna do to me what can you take from me right they both actually operate that same way sometimes as people that are in that vast middle that fear either direction that are like oh i cannot fuck this up yes yeah so so that's the the mindset is basically don't wait waiting against the enemy so when you're waiting to feel good until you've achieved certain things anytime you hear the word wait run that's not the right strategy and so it's like anytime you're waiting to do the thing you wanna do don't wait that's kind became my mindset i just realized god it mean don't put it off don't put it off right don't wait till x in order to have why that you really want gotcha so if i want this feeling of security of of of relaxation of confidence whatever i'm waiting let me tap into that now so that became both it had two benefits there's the benefit which is you feel better today i thought already already a win yeah instead of feeling anxious and stressed and worried you're already feeling good but there's also a strategy to it which is when you carry yourself like that dude where you carry yourself that way you surprised what kind of doors are sort of open for you what how people treat you differently they yeah they treat you with the assumption of what you treat yourself why why do you dress the way you dress why do you carry yourself the way you carry yourself because people will treat you differently life will give to you what you're putting but i also feel it too like i like being fitted i like wearing like you're jordan i like yeah and it makes you immediate feeling which is already good yeah and then you get the actual like i think this harvard guy called it the the happiness happiness effect he basically said most people wait till they achieve a thing then they're gonna feel happy and then what happens is you get achieve that thing and just move the goal post he's well this is not enough when but i really have you know and so this you move the goal boss and every he's like yeah not only is that obviously deferring the thing you want which is bad two said there's studies that will show that the person goes into the situation already feeling happy we'll perform better on the test yeah we'll be better in the professional setting we'll have a higher likelihood of success yeah we'll have more lucky breaks that was one of the things they tested they basically they gave you a test and like you know the third line of the of the instructions said like just go to the end just type the write the letter five in and you're done yeah and the people who went in with a stress mindset they were just trying to solve all the problems and they had to do the whole test the people who went in relax and confident they were more likely to observe that little lines oh another another break that goes my way oh great you know like i'm gonna skip to the end hand the test in i've done yeah and so that's cool when i when i started to learn about this sort of like happiness effect this this idea that if you bring the future feeling you're chasing into the now not only do you feel good now but you actually have better results i was like that's that's the thing i want right also a mindset shift where you're operating different than sam sam like i'm not gonna take those crazy things the opposite but why why is he the opposite yeah so what i'm what i'm saying is sam may look objectively at or it's his subjective experience at your financial situation and be like you can't afford that you can't afford to start this like one million dollar fund and just with rand off the internet and just start embedding things yeah why are you doing that you could lose it yeah it served him well like i think the there are many ways to win what i'm trying to get you guys to beef i'm trying to get you i'm a joke joking i'm choosing i'm actually curious play style like there's is a great crime mcgregor quote where he goes look you're gonna feel some kind of way anyways right any moment you're feeling some kind of so it's just like it's like why not feel unstoppable why not feel i not feel super confident yeah yeah it's the same sort of thing which is that there's many ways to win but you do get to choose and sam's way to win in many successful entrepreneurs the same way which is chip on my shoulder my dad never loved me you know i people doubted me and that drives me and that's why i'm successful and they'll tell you this proudly and i hear it and i'm just like man you sound like you've been suffering for a long ass time you know you didn't have to do all that right yeah yeah i'm i'm glad it worked for you but also like the toll was high on that highway right you paid a expensive vic which was every day you were focusing on like yeah the grind brian set mindset and you're you're focusing on proven people wrong and how alright how you know the doubt and how you had to like kill yourself to make this work well i know people who do it the other so let's agree that let's agree that both can happen yeah let's let's talk you do a quick deli though when you said you're moving like you what you're worth a hundred mil so you're not i don't make size bets like obviously there's exactly gravity no but there's a way to move to be like hey because i'm serious because there's people that may be listening that that are just like let me get that let me get that rolex daytona right let me feel that way right if it's a hundred mil then that it's probably a rolls royce fan it's probably a you know what i mean you maserati right du whatever that thing may be you're not making those things are you yes and no so things that like i heard a personal chef okay that's something that really the only like the true wealthy typically do okay i was like nah i this matters to me i won't this is the number one want i have i think it helps me and my family be healthy we don't have to stress out about making food all the time for our daughter who's real picky and she keeps throwing a way we're gonna remake dinner right i said this will improve the quality of my life i don't care if we can afford it i'm gonna get it and i'm gonna then i'm gonna afford it right because i'm not like i know i believe in myself ability to go get that money yeah so i will not limit myself in the things really care about yeah yeah it's a true belief it's something that you really want for you and your family truly wanted it yeah you're i'm not gonna wait again i was waiting i said oh i identified all the spots of my life i was waiting i said i gotta rid of waiting that's thing i really want and i'm waiting for it no more i'm gonna do it now got it but do i go and just spend outside of like your means i care about it what i have like no i i don't and i i don't because i also don't wanna be owned by those things yeah every let me buy something you know it now owns you as much as you own it yeah because that bill owns you in a way it owns a piece of your time because you gotta pay for it i'm very selective about do i want this enough where i'm willing to let it own me a little bit and so then i don't need a lot of those things and i also have this like this is you're good at these questions man the last thing i do is i wanna be able to have as much fun whether i'm in a mansion having a feast with celebrities is if i'm stuck in an elevator by myself which means i don't want to have to i don't want to have to have some nice shit in order to feel good i don't wanna have to have the circumstances be going my way for me to feel good yeah and but that's self satisfaction that's you training you my brand yeah but that's you doing what you're training your brand you're meditating your boxing whatever that thing is so you feel a self sense of self set that's zero dollars it's not a hundred million dollars that's not a hundred million dollars or a hundred thousand dollars exactly because the ultimate goal the ultimate way to care myself isn't that i had the hundred million it's i remind myself of that if i ever start to feel laugh because when i heard that what i what resonated with me as an artist is play big yeah my playing scared cook you're on the court cook let it fly launch like be loose do the impressions do characters that's what my thing is like that's my goal like i wanna be loose i wanna have fun i wanna be real get on the floor use a basketball analogy so i know you you have basketball yeah in researching with this i saw you your celebrity game got a nice left hand go with the left yeah very you're not lefty right not left i'm right you were very nice with him yeah the analogy is this steph curry is not afraid to shoot a shot yeah anywhere on the court once fastest half court he's willing to let it fly that doesn't mean every time he steps across half court he just lets it fly because he knows he's like old the ultimate goal is to win yes but he's not afraid to shoot his shot he's not thinking about missing he's thinking about making his confidence in that yeah so i would say a very similar thing on the business side which is i don't just spend like a drunken sailor yeah or invest in those most wild shit possible all the time i'm not trying to take every risk possible yeah i'm not trying to shoot every court every shot to half court but i i'm confident if i pull but you're not afraid to let if i pulled or if i'm feeling it yeah if i believe i can make this shot i'm gonna pull yeah even if i miss the last three even if this is not what other people this feels right this feels right yeah i put it in the time and i have the confidence myself and i'm not gonna second guessing it yeah so that's where i'll make cool some take some risks cool that feel right to me in the moment but the overall objective is to win it's not to take maximum maximum risk possible yeah it's also not to minimize risk it's to win and you gotta define what that win is for yourself right my definition of the win for myself is i wanna have the lifestyle where i'm at the manager with my best friends we're at the table we're feast we're toasting that's what i want yeah but i wanna be able to have as much fun if i'm a loan stuck in an elevator that is my ultimate win where my mind has created that situation where yeah i can have all those things yeah but i'm i am imp to the environment great i will have justin so that's my ultimate win yeah take enough risk along the way to get to that you know as i go that's great last question this is from this is from me to you i people gonna be pissed by the way like dude you had ethanol you just talked about your own fucking philosophy you what i'm be i'm i'm gonna say this right now for the listeners and the watches people gonna be like he interrupted sean too much and why is he talking like this about big cool like sean you know you're not the star no i'm i'm coming from care i'm i humbled myself before i'll all you my first million people so listen well i love this again this what i love most about ir experiences about being on stage doing material in front of people hearing the applause break knowing that that joke is right because i've corroborate it with the people sometimes comics when a joke doesn't work they'll be like fuck you i know better and sometimes that works there's a lot of times where just like no no hear them listen to them see them you wanna be seen but you gotta see them for you as an outsider you know we don't know each other well which is our first time actually meeting when you watch the show and you see me what would be your advice for somebody like me that's at this point in my career i'm at an inflection point in my career i represent a certain period of time me my conte me jam ali wong we're entering that new era that the bill and the chapel are those are the elder statesman of the art form what is your what what is your advice to someone like me looking at it from the outside because you have such a great business mind yeah i think what's what's worked for you is gonna keep working that's why i said before i think you have zag when everybody's zig so everybody was going in one direction which was which is low accountability low risk yeah doing things under you know worried about cancel cancel culture and things like that i think you have built a niche where you're not afraid to call out the saudi prince you're not afraid to call out the president and but you're calling out not from a place of getting a reaction you're calling out when you see a truth you're putting your finger on it and saying i don't care if this hurts i don't care if this is a nerve i'm gonna have my take on this i'm gonna stand by my take regardless of what's happening and that's when all now those are the things that have hit for you you talked about that in the show yeah so i think it's not that you have to keep doing that the same exact thing you have to keep in the mindset that got you to do that in the first place you gotta self assess what got me to to to fuck to observe those things what made me curious why i observe those things where i asked the question that got me to that truth right what gave me the guts to do this i felt like i had nothing to lose trying to make a name for myself now i got a name for myself now every tweet i'm kinda worried how are people gonna react well now now you're not playing the game the way you did at that time yeah so i would say first and foremost don't lose what got you to the dance second is the stuff you talked about which is you're betting on yourself which is your owning own production you're owning your ip you're owning your own as much of that pipeline as you can from a business perspective because what gets you leverage it again to capture the value you're creating you create a bunch of value you gotta capture it you gotta look at the supply chain and say who's capturing all this value who why is ticket master taking this much of my fees yeah why is you know who when i go put this special online what do i really make out of this first is what do they make how do i get their numbers and how do i understand how to capture value on the distribution side and not just this side yeah i'll try to think about those types of things and it seems like you're building like for example my mom saw you on the morning show i watch morning show too yeah yeah oh shit he's getting into these mainstream areas building the name building the face there and then you're gonna almost like that's how you go get the new fans and you take them back you build this funnel yeah at the bottom of the funnel of the people who gonna know your life story they're gonna know what you stand for all these things know me just like any product in silicon valley you create a funnel top of funnel is new fans new eyeballs how are you gonna go get them in these strategy middle of the funnel how are you gonna get them to get their first taste of you their first real experience get them to their first show get them to watch you know the first twenty minutes of something that's your best work yeah how do i get that and how do i get them bottom of the funnel which is do we get create maximum value like oh a bunch of artists are doing n entities what does that look like for comedy right you know let play with these ideas i'm not gonna do all of them yeah what i'm gonna have brainstorming sessions with the guys like sean to say yeah what would i do with what could a comedian do with n entities and i would start to think about because that's bottom of the funnel more like total optimization yeah think about that funnel would say alright i am a product and i'm gonna build my brand around that product you know and it's a long you know it's a long series of optimizations totally but that's how i would think about that's how i would view my my craft which is like you know it's easy to just get into the art world which is like you know i'm trying to trying to build myself and you know tell jokes make people laugh yes but like ultimately your product in your experience from the like when i showed up at the show yesterday there's an hour long line yeah we gotta skip it luckily because you hooked it up with with with a nice like via p stuff but everybody their experience end to end isn't just when you step on the stage it's like from before the show totally aligned yeah the rest and i would say playlist when you sit some friction yeah we talked about the the interface where you go buy the tickets how much friction is there i will go look at that whole funnel and i would say alright i'm trying to grease this phone i'm trying to get them to these magic moments with me yeah first magic moment where i first made you laugh on that clip on instagram second magic moment your friend takes you to a show you have a great time yeah the third magic moment is the follow of that you know fourth is when when you buy the merchant actually the merchant stands for something you know whatever yeah that's cool i've always i appreciate that because the eye cannot see itself sometimes we're so in our especially as artists so what it it requires us to be do deep meaningful work but we remove ourselves from like what you said the line four blocks down the street from the masonic theater much you had to pay for parking than what the show experiences is like all that stuff yeah right yeah i think you're doing man thanks i don't think you get advice for me to be honest with i think you no man hey this is this is my this is my two cents for the space y'all all are working in i think just continuing to try to be a source of light amongst just all this heat that's out there it's really important man there's just a lot of garbage and trying to actually represent onto logical truth in reality for what it is right because you're playing with people's money people are listening to my first million for that thing i just wanna like let you know yeah don't forget it's that but it's that tit feature yes it's like when you hear that title you're like but i wanna it's but it's just like i wanna make a million you're i came to laugh came to laugh you making in fun of our indian parents and the goofy things that they do yeah why did i that's what that's what i came for that's not what i what i loved what i loved was the stuff you're saying at the end the stories about your daughter the stories about the the the the jerk parent at the at the librarian or the repair whatever those were where i was like oh man i attach same thing we have my first million and the hook is ideas i'll hope you make money and get you get you to your first million and what do you do with that when you get there i know that the people who really gonna love this because that's gonna fade like the you get that hit yeah get the hit you get the hey what are you gonna be here a year from now you should have already got that million you by by a couple years in or whatever the people are gonna stay because and these are just great conversations i wanna hang with these guys yeah that's the only thing we do is we create a fun conversation where people wish they were i hope that like there's a third seat seat in the studio my goal is that somebody listened to this was like tim i feel like i was in that third that was listened to a real last conversation between two people not you talking in your book and me talking in my book but like right real conversation by two people you were curious and so i answer questions i asked you a bunch of questions of stuff i was curious about yeah they feel like they got to be a part of a conversation that was a little bit more entertaining than whatever's is going on in their world that day u like maybe they're their real life conversation that they weren't as interesting sure my hope is that this one is that they feel like they're in that third seat that's like a win for me with this and so so hope people enjoyed this no this was is appreciate you coming thanks for having man and they were doing it in person because i remember you reached out and you're like let's do a via zoom and i was like no we're doing this sorry to sam i couldn't join me pulling out for him sam check your dm bro i'm in your dms stuff okay cool thank you man