Dave Portnoy vs The World, Extreme Body Monitoring, The Future of Apparel Retail, "How Much is Pomp Worth?", and More

i've heard a a phrase it's like basically what rich nerds do in the weekend everyone will be doing in ten years right yeah and that's exactly what this is yeah i feel like i could rude where to i know i could be what i want to upper from all in it like a day's all on a road less travel never looking back alright on this episode we are talking about the bars stool sports drama dave port versus the world we have a billy of the week this guy brian johnson who to me is kinda like the elon musk you've never heard about we have two business ideas one around a e commerce idea and then another one for restaurant drive throughs and then we end with a funny story about this dog walker that went to sam and we play a little game called how much is pop worth where we guess how much our friend is worth because he just gave back all his investors their money and he's just gonna invest his own money from now on so that's the episode i hope you enjoy did you see sean that people were tweeting saying they liked what they like hearing what ben had to say and then he retweeted that as he should did i retreat every compliment not every compliment but if i get a bunch of compliments like if i check my phone and there's a bunch of compliments in there one of those is definitely getting reach treated yeah i think it's obnoxious when other people do it but i also notice it and i'm like oh this is effective obnoxious but effective we we have a some cool stuff to go over today but the coolest one we is the day port noise stuff yeah let's talk about this i've been wanting to talk to you about this same since it happened and it's still happening so that's great it's like there's just more that's come out and also i think you surprised me because i think you're not i thought you would be so pro dave point no and i think you're actually not from our text messages so first explain what happened and then we'll we'll we'll debate it okay so start with if you don't know who day port is day port is the founder of a company called bars sports they're basically known for like sm bro comedy that's actually pretty genius and i'm typically a fan of it it's like if espn was drunk this is what they would this is the news they would make yeah exactly that's a great way to describe it and day port is a he's what and this isn't an insult but he's kind of like trump in that he's like ridiculous and he's got fans that will do anything for him and he plays this part that's exaggerated and silly and and just overboard and everything he does so the business insider released an article last week on friday or thursday coincidentally right when bar stool which is owned by publicly traded company had their earnings call they released their article at the same time and it based was an eight month investigative journalist piece where this woman named julia black spoke with loads of people who had sex with dave port and this is basically either him or her or both the girls dm dave and dave had there were screenshots that said something like do you wanna be famous if yes i'm a good place to start so like saying like some silly ridiculous douche sushi stuff and the women's saying like i would love that yes i'm in and they have sex no problem but in the article some of the women accused dave of having basically rough sex nothing like illegal i believe was he was being accused of but basically like saying like he spit in my mouth had to wear a leash he filmed me things like that not illegal then hearing this dave gets livid and he goes on a scorched earth war mode where he goes after business insider and he mocks them because their founder henry blu years ago got trouble with the sec he goes after our friends morning brew because they are owned by business insider and he is just going crazy on everyone and the fans of day port are attacking these people like crazy and it's become a little bit of a frenzy and it's pretty wild that's basically the summary right yeah i'll fill in a couple of tidbits so so dave is what do you need to know to to admit to having a have a opinion on this so dave is not married he's a single guy i think he's in a relationship now but like you know he's a bachelor right so he can do whatever he wants he's a rich guy he he's in his face he's in his forties and so there's always this kind of like it's not illegal but is it wrong thing when it's like a guy who's forty something i don't know what is he forty four or something like that one the women with eighteen you're nineteen nineteen i think yeah nineteen twenty something like that so you know there's always a sort of thing where you're like okay it's not not illegal but is it right you know some people have opinion on that alright but whatever he's known for being like like and i'm not like a loud mouth but he speaks he doesn't like pull any punches so he's direct he i think he's a fairly honest guy and he's honest to point of fault sometimes so for example the new the new story hits what nine out of ten people do especially ceos of companies presidents of companies he thought ceo he's like the chairman or president he you know you're supposed to sort of lay low your public will release a press release that says you know we categorically deny any wrongdoing you know the truth will come out and and you let it blow over and you hope you didn't get canceled he did the opposite so he comes out immediately on instagram live or it's instagram ig tv aa just says look my lawyers say don't say anything but i'm gonna say exactly what's going on here so here's the deal these guys are been i've known for months these guys are putting out a hip piece because they contacted like dozens of people that i've been with and they said they're fishing for something bad about me and then these people would come tell me hey dave you know there's a reporter asking around for you know if if if you know if you've done any wrongs to me and i said no because you haven't but like just so you know this is what's going on so he knew this was coming finally it drops he addresses it directly and he said he basically turns it on he said you try to cancel me i'm gonna cancel you and so all of a sudden on twitter cancel business insider is is running because he's like look you're trying to profit off of this story you you act like oh which is story which is this article is pay it's pay they're and they're crazy you're putting tons of add money behind this come read this story about dave port the bad guy we are exposing the bad guy but you just gotta pay nine ninety nine a month if you wanna read the story so he's like dude you're using my name and likeness this you made up this story where there's nothing wrong you know this was consensual relationships with legal adults you know he's like i feel bad if somebody felt bad after we hooked up and they they didn't didn't like me or they didn't like what that they did like okay that's that's one thing but this was a completely legal consensual thing what are you digging up here what are you trying to say and then he goes on the he goes on the offensive whereas most people are on the defensive he goes on the offensive so he's getting people to cancel their business insider membership he's getting people to unsubscribe to morning brew unfortunately a bunch of people started sending death threats to our friend and people who work there and that's not yeah he it it he's like go buy my pizza my pizza out in stores let's go go go by a repeat there there's another angle to this by the way that really pissed off so i think he was a little bit mad at the hit piece and then i think he had scorched earth once the there was a reporter for business insider that started reaching out to bar stool advertisers and saying hey are you aware of the story we wrote about the bad dave is and and business in at and at bar stool like you know would you like to comment on being an advertiser on their platform basically trying to take money out of their pocket trying to get the advertisers to to to to cancel their relationship with bar stool which is not journalism at that point that is like warfare as far as i'm concerned and it is warfare as far as dave was concerned too so that's when he went really like nuclear so alright and let's let's say a few more facts here and a few more facts i'm a try and be as factual as possible but you know i'm gonna be i'm gonna para phrase at one point he did a live thing on youtube and he made jokes but i don't know if they were jokes where he said something like you know i think i would hire a private investigator to go and follow every single morning brew employee it find everyone who they've had sex with and see if there's any dirt there right and what else has he done that that we didn't say that was like part of the facts like i guess we should say what is the the sort of the the the crime or the wrongdoing doing so so the business insider article made it sound like girl goes to his house knowing that dave wants to hook up hooks up with dave feels shaken up about it afterwards because it was kinda kinky and crazy she sleeps on the couch she leaves and a few days later she tells her friends that she's feeling depressed and suicidal and and her mom i think is the one who went and reported to the police and said dave is a bad guy you guys need to be on the lookout for him and the police are like wait what did he do you know and it's like and the mom's like he's i went to the fish market and they said that he's here with a different girl every week and it's like alright he'll be a player in a crime you know that there's no crime here ma'am like i understand you're said that your daughter you know had a bad experience but that is not a crime you know and in a follow up on his feed he tweeted out a picture that she sent him afterwards that said like i wanna get with you again he he he basically leaked the dms and the dms were basically like they hooked up okay she's something the couch then she she shared a photo online of her with dave kinda like to get the attention from her friends and whatnot on social media to get the likes you know her kind of posing next to dave and then also you know he was like you know do you miss me and she's like yeah and you know she's basically they're like planning their next hook up you know and and it you know never happened so he kind of he he's sort of the insider article made it look like he traumatized slash you know almost raped these women but then he released the dms which were basically like them joking around after the fact and saying you know you know do you miss me you know when we gonna hook up again blah blah blah and the girls definitely like down as far as the dam damn skin now that's not to say it wasn't like you know a bad experience or weird experience but again that's what the allegations were so that's what that's what came out now i wanted to get your take on two things one is this offensive versus defensive strategy what do you just think about this in terms of the art of war so what do we learn from something like this because cancel culture is everywhere think you and i are both don't like it we don't like the general quick trigger that exists with cancel culture and how like how that's just becoming more and more common for a variety of reasons but then how do you deal with it what's one to do so so what do you think about this offensive versus defense strategy there's two parts to the story there's like the actual deed and things that he's accused up and then there's the reaction so in terms of like i think from just the article it's clear he has done nothing illegal i don't agree with what he did and i personally it i find it to be a s and unethical move that said my ethics don't do to hook up with somebody much younger than you or what what bothers you i think that's weird yeah i think i think a forty five year old phone around with a nineteen year old i think that's a little weird but but i think pete that's people's right to be weird right the law there's a clear like cutoff off you could do what you want right you not put me in leash in bed but if that's your thing that's your thing there's that who trying to say i don't want my daughter to be part of that i don't want my family be part of it i wouldn't i wouldn't do that to people and i don't really wanna be friends with someone who does that so i don't agree with it i don't want it my life but people can do what they want as long as there's adults who are consenting that's cool you know it's there's a difference between you did something wrong me to like you know not have your job or your company needs to suffer and you need to go to jail there's like your your reputation needs to be submerged versus i don't like that behavior i don't wanna do it myself and i don't really wanna hang out with people who do right those are two totally different responses and what you're saying is more like the second one which is i don't wanna do it and i don't really think it's cool such i don't wanna hang out with people who are doing that but you know you're not saying that this guy's a trash bag totally well i don't know if do i think he's trash yes totally totally i do but that there's nothing wrong with that right yes no i don't like it yeah there's nothing wrong with that you know everyone can live the hard life straight bullet here know why i hit like that so i do think they're cheese trash but that's is right you could do that now the reaction i think is totally inappropriate and i think it totally makes him look but hurt i think it makes him look weak i think it's a bad move the reason why it's a bad move is because dave has fans and he could be like well you know i'm only maybe he could say he's only joking maybe he could say you know i'm not saying that i'm gonna do something bad right but i didn't believe this until i had someone close so we're i'm friends with the morning group guys and i see how i actually they didn't explicitly say this but i think that they're fearful that something bad gonna happen because dave's fans are gonna go after them i actually believe that might actually happen and because of that i think that like when you have that great responsibility and that power of these crazy so we'll do whatever you say you have to act careful that and i don't think that he's being careful i think it's he's being harmful additionally the guy a lot of the people who are work in that company morning group is just like my company it was like dumb twenty four year olds who are like talented but like an inexperienced at life i don't know how to handle a lot of like stuff because they're still learning i saw dave like tweet at some of the young people who work there and i was like i mean this this guy just an an instant by standard you didn't do anything wrong why you make it fun of them i think it was i i agree with you i think it was a big mistake to go pick on the little guy he had it right at the beginning when he was picking on the big guy oh business insider you're you're trying to ruin my reputation you're trying to hurt my business and my advertisement my revenues and my my name and you're trying to profit off that it's a good move to go after business insider the brand the big name the ceo of that who's like you know some fifty sixty year old guy who's rich and successful you know okay that's fair game but when he was going after morning group it's for that's a different company bro like that's a this they didn't even that's not who wrote the article just because they own this asset like you know that doesn't make any sense if they own a rental property somewhere you're gonna go def face it like you know that doesn't make any sense so i thought that was a bad look and i thought that picking on those founders who didn't say a word against them picking on the employees of that company now you're punching down and so i think that was his tactical mistake in this art of war i liked what he was doing i also dislike the which is my pizza stop thing like hold on stop there yeah stop there swinging below that's the rule here swinging below you can't do so like when you're trying to create enemy you always gotta go up right you always have to go up if you go down you're a bully if you go up your david yes exactly and so he he had he had the momentum on his side because he had you know he was the one being picked on he said i done nothing wrong and he has fans and he could have set art mobilize the army if he had stopped at cancel insider go cancel your membership over there because these guys are just trying to make a quick buck on the sal story that would have worked that would have been you know the good version of revenge and then he went to the bad of revenge okay so that's the offensive defensive let's say that something happened to you and you know would do you think you would go on the offensive or would you be a lay kinda guy offensive offensive for fisher yeah i think it's good to go on the offensive even though like i guess have you ever had a situation like this come up or you had to kinda go on the offensive think god no i don't think so i don't think so okay good i'm glad if you ever need to go on the office offense if i got your back because that's the other thing he did it all himself for whereas as he coulda had other people will kinda go to bat for him and create a little bit more not just one man versus the world i also see you have a business idea here what what is your business idea wait i do there's one under here i don't know did you write that maybe some maybe ben wrote that it says it says business idea twitter beef as a service is that you oh my god no that's not me but let me wait let me tell you one one thing or would there's some more facts here to the story that are is is actually quite interesting so a publicly traded company bought bar stool like they bought part of it like two three years ago maybe a year ago i forget exactly i think recently they announced they're gonna buy the rest of it so how much of bar stool does is made up a or how much a pen the only company do you think does bar stool make up that's a hard question i don't know i know the answer okay yeah go for i think it's like eight percent so if you like in terms of like revenue and value what's pens what's penn market cap nine billion okay so bar was bought for six hundred million i think i i think and their revenue is probably a hundred pens is probably like five or something like that whatever it's a so it's a small percentage however bar stool makes up a significant amount of the like brand equity of penn right so like no one has known i mean very few people knew about penn it wasn't a they they don't they they it's a regional casino i believe it's regional it's like on the east coast now it's a global name because a bar stool because of dave so i would argue that it while it only makes up five or ten percent of the actual metrics for business it actually accounts for like yeah sixty seventy eighty ninety percent of the brand equity so here's the thing the stock went down i think thirty percent the other day when this got announced in my opinion i wouldn't wanna own this stock necessarily because i think more of these things are gonna happen however i think there's the pen is actually an interesting buy right now because it bars to only makes up like eight percent of the their business and business is doing pretty good the business a bar stool the ad business would have to go away almost entirely for this to make up like a meaningful impact and yet the stock went down thirty percent this might be a good stock buy right now i was i was looking at the map it it might make sense to buy stock stock market sam i love it the stock pick at the end of this segment yeah yeah i just i think i think that's probably right i think bar is is this is gonna go away and you know this twenty percent dip that it's taken is not that's not that's not a permanent thing but i would say a not financial advice before we get sued and b i think that this is gonna be something you see over and over again you see it with dave chappell right now he's going on in the offense you saw it with others where they just disappear they go lay low for a right louis ck k or you know the different different people who got canceled and they go disappear for a while and then they come back two later and they sort of begging and apologize and try to get back in the good graces of things i think that think they're going on the offensive is gonna become much more the norm and you're gonna see you're gonna see that now he is perfectly positioned to do this because he is like you said a trump type of character he always speaks what speaks his mind he's always kind of you know off the cuff he has devoted diehard fans that will believe him even when he's in the wrong they'll back him up and so you know i think that that was that was working in his favor here if you're the ceo of penn how do you feel right now and what do you do i don't know who i we should look up i could tell you name jay he's a young guy his name say if i could just look at the person i can figure out no it's jane jane soc cad or something like that yeah this i mean jay jay or he's like a youngest guy it looks like he said his mid forties he's maybe it's a girl jane the ceo penn yeah ceo of penn national gaming jane sk or something like that yeah well for the there was a guy who oh yeah siri demo the guy that you see his named you see jay snow yeah he was the guy who was like he's he's the president chief officer and director of penn gaming since phil tony i don't know what's going i don't know why they have to okay whatever you know i think they're probably like you know bit nervous about this whole thing but you gotta know who you're getting in bed with it when you buy var stool you know it's coming with the hair on the deal and the hair on the deal is it's greatest strength which is that you know the the the big personas the no given attitude towards content well they're using this content also the he turned he turns scandal into more content but do you tell dave to chill to cool it or do you just stay out of it entirely you gotta have them find the line right that's what i'm we we're saying we're showing some points where we crossed the line in the wrong way so there's like you know don't turn this into an actual legal problem and b you know make sure you're doing this strategically and the in the art of p r war here you need to be punching up not punching down you need to be don't stick your your you know don't do that you incident happening you teach him or do you say dave you cannot do this again strike one like do are you disc him or i think you're differently you're getting in the car you're sitting shotgun with them him you say okay look i know how you feel right now and normally we would say this but i know you don't wanna do that you don't wanna just kind of hide away and let this thing blow over okay we're on board but let's set some ground rules right we want here's how we want this to end right it's like a negotiation with a with somebody who's got he's taking people hostage it's like how would you like this to end you know do you wanna get out of here do you are you trying to hurt people what are you trying to do and okay i can help you get that you want a pizza let me order your a pizza right now you need a car you need to get away car how about you let someone out and then i can work on that car for you that's that's the way i i would be talking to to dave if i was you know jane si academy or dude these businesses when you would you buy media companies hubspot it did it with us and we're not anywhere near stream but when you like this whole thing of like every company's a media company when you start getting that territory i think it's good but a lot of people do it not realizing that these are some of the consequences right yeah you're in the media that alright let's do another let's do another segment i got some ideas for you i wanna wanna do some business ideas so i've been looking at i've been looking at a bunch of e commerce companies and i'm in an e commerce myself plus invest in a couple and just friends with a bunch of store owners and we look at kind of the numbers and i look at some business that are doing well some of that are not doing well and i wanted to share with you an idea that i have that i don't know if it's a really dumb idea really smart idea i can't tell you okay you tell me which one do you think it is okay so in e commerce e commerce is amazing because it's way less friction you don't have to go into a car drive to a store spend the time you know you just you could be on your phone on the toilet you're shopping and you push two buttons and hey it's gonna arrive in two days that's kind of a magical amazing thing what's the one downside well for the the downside is it's hard to know if the product's gonna good or bad because you didn't see it you didn't feel it you didn't touch it and you don't know if you could believe the reviews but even more than that in the whole one huge category of e commerce is fashion and apparel and then that fit is the number one thing like you know you're wearing a black fitted shirt right now it fits you very well but you don't know are you a large and extra large medium in different brands it's always different and isn't that just like kind of a crazy thing that we just don't know what size we should buy like that's like the stupidest reason for that crazy accounts for like forty percent of returns or something ridiculous like that right like i think crazy returns account for like you know somewhere between out of three and ten percent you know of of revenue for these brands and then of the reasons for returns it's not that it was defective it just didn't fit right and so what how do we solve this problem okay so i invested in this company bolt that does one click checkout and it's basically like hey want you have to type your freaking card an address in every single time if you do it once we should just let you check out again saving that and you know you don't have to create account with every single merchant like does it work for shopify so shopify has their it has their own called shop pay and amazon has their own one click checkout this bolt the reason it works is because it's for everybody else if you are not on shopify you're not you're not named amazon like then you probably wanna offer the same level of like frictionless checkout but you can't get people to make an account with your little leather boots company you know maybe they made it with this jacket company and now they should just be able to check out at the boot company even though the jackets would come here too just separate things alright a bold kicking ass and it's multi billion dollar company already and they made check out more frictionless okay so how do i make deciding to check out more frictionless so here's my idea i think you gotta have a brick and mortar location i think you basically put up pop up stores a court are you to put actually like nice kinda showroom style stores in la you know s f new york and you just go they're all the major cities go to the top twenty cities and you open up in downtown a fitting booth and it's called the perfect fit or true fit and what is true fit so you go in and this thing is gonna measure you head to toe using the whatever the best goddamn technology is in the world for scanning a body and knowing its exact dimensions like a tailor measuring your crotch and all that it's gonna basically measure you automatically like a when we get like a dex scan or something like that you go lay down in this thing and it's gonna measure you for five minutes and now you have your true fit and any store you go to you could just log in with your true fit or just saved in your browser and saved on your phone and basically it just gives a store your exact it knows what your exact sizes and fit is and maybe even your preferred fit like do you like things tighter or looser yeah do like you know baggy around the stomach or tighter around the stomach right like maybe you even have that level of preference and then every store it's like an api so every store would just say oh cool like just like we all have the metric system we have this like standardized system that we can say oh i can i know how to describe the length of my thing because i can use the metric system i can use inches or millimeters or whatever it's gonna be depending on which system you used but we have these central systems so i think we need one for fit and i think if you created this you could just say come in you get scanned for free and now you're gonna have better fitting stuff better fitting shoes clothes jackets all that stuff on every website you visit and then you go to the websites and you say hey would you like people to return less your stuff would you like them to know exactly what size to get without having to go look at your size chart and then go measure the you know how many inches their chest is like yes really ridiculous and so now you just ping the system the system says this person should be a large in your in your in your clothing in your your brand so that's the idea what do you think of this so i think it's amazing let me let me one thing look up z z suit z o z o suit one i've seen this before the this is it's the motion detector thing it's like they send you this black suit right well how does this work it's a rich does billionaire create this yeah so i'm i'm going off memory i think it was four or five or six years ago and it was a guy in japan he was a successful entrepreneur i think in the clothing space i think he owned some type of like fast casual japanese clothing company right and he created this suit and it was either free or like five dollars and basically it's a body suit so if you've ever seen like behind the scenes of of like lord rings when they're filming on the green screen or if you ever seen like a bob's like a bobs slider or something like how they have the suits that go over their head it looks like that but it's all black and it has polka dots all over it and you put it on and then you hold it up your camera up to it your phone and it's supposed to like figure up the dimensions of your body and he was gonna mail one of these like everyone in japan or something like that and it failed i don't know why it failed i just don't think it worked that great yeah however that i are you looking it up when was i was modified now was like five years ago yeah i don't know where the time frame is of this but i remember you've told me about this multiple years ago because you were like i thought it was amazing and so i thought this was such a good idea and there was people so i used to go to a gray by the way com i think we're still going october twenty twenty twenty so last year one year ago they launched the z suit too so you know they're still going with this i think it's great and i remember going on reddit and i would like on reddit there was the subreddit so you could buy and sell like fancy clothing and i would buy and sell clothing on there and there was these guys that would kinda boot like it where they would download the app and then use the the suit to just like get their own measurements and then they would like write that down and then they would like use that as like their way to do sizing and i actually think that this suit would i don't know the technology behind it i think that you could do a better job though than what you're describing and it's freaking amazing if it works right but it i i don't know if it worked well but if it does work the idea of this is awesome and people were also using it athletes were using it for the like body measurements and you could like use it to see if your muscles are growing or not growing additionally there's this one scale that never really took off but they had a kickstarter and when i saw it it was amazing but it was a little too expensive for me to try before it got built and basically it was a scale that looks like a normal bathroom scale you stand on it but then this arm came out and it does it it like if there's this arm that comes to the bottom and it does a loop around your body and like wraps around your body and it would use a camera to scan your body and it would tell you all about if your measurements are going up or down i thought that was amazing i love those things and i thought that do you do you remember that scale yeah i know what you're talking about it's called like naked or something something like that didn't who didn't seem to catch on but i think there's something here it's called naked naked labs dot com and i think yeah i think i think it's harder to do as startup up i actually think that this is better to do if you're amazon or or your bolt like this might be my free idea for bolt hey hey guys so here's what you should do you've raised hundreds of millions of dollars you should you know you might have to pour forty fifty million dollars into developing this network of stores that has this technology that basically all day is just measure customers but it's also in this case it would be driving people to to put in their information so now they can just check out with bolt anywhere and you know you're you're on file but you you not just have their payment info and file but you'd have their size info on file so now buy so much more stuff bolt becomes more valuable to every merchant because it not only stores payments but it has their customer fit information and i also think that this is not the easiest so it's not just about scanning the body because you actually kinda need to see how the clothes fit on somebody so you'd almost want if you're gonna do this perfectly and don't know if it's a good idea or not but you'd almost want like ten shirts that are like the stock shirt fits and it's like okay try these five on yeah that looks good on do you like how this fits yes okay you are you are a size medium specifically this many centimeters you know all your all your measurements are here and you prefer the fit of x so we know how to translate that now to any brand how any brand can use that against our standardized measurement system and so i i feel like this is a kind of an impractical idea but i just wish it worked because it would reduce friction so much in shopping it would make people way more willing to shop way less returns we asked mark lori mark lo it was a guy search jet dot com sold it to walmart for some many billions and we asked him what's an idea that you would work on right now if you wanted to sell it in a hundred million dollars and two or three years right this is what he said and this was it he said he goes the the number one problem the number one cost that our company has that walt know walmart dot com the the third or fourth or second most popular e com website in the world the number one thing is returns due to bad sizes so if you figure out a way just to help us save that just a little bit we would pay a whole lot of money for that right and you know you actually could do this where you could if you weren't techie you won hundred percent could just open up small shops that were like two or three thousand dollars a month in rent have two tailor there and and then go out to some of the bigger retail brands and be like hey we put our right know our our logo on your site and help us and just crappy ways to this you might be able to partner with existing stores and you just have you just have like a booth and you have an agent there who can do it so you may not even need the space but alright this this is one that's one idea okay let me give you another idea future of shopping continued so i don't remember where i heard this but i heard somebody's talking about this and i just it was like an no brainer moment for me okay so we all know that like you know software keeps getting better robots keep getting better and it's sort of like what's gonna happen all these trucking jobs if they're self driving trucks so what's gonna happen all these retail like check cashier jobs if you know like the amazon ghost store where you just walk in you pick up an item and you walk out and it just knows from what you picked up off the shelf how much charge your amazon account right like kind of amazing and i think those are two of the most popular jobs in america a truck driver and like retail cashier and so okay what what what is like even further done this so here's the easy one that i thought was kind of cool restaurant drive throughs so restaurant drive throughs you know you go you pull up you rolled down your window and they say oh yeah welcome mcdonald's what can i get for you today hey like you know and let me get the number three they're like you you know what do want to drink blah blah blah so why you know what a number three at mcdonald's at number three at mcdonald's i'm gonna go with a double cheeseburger what is it i think it's a double cheeseburger or quarter pounder number one's is a big probably quarter pounder number two is the two cheeseburgers that was my that was my order and for three quarter pounder more of a chicken sandwich kind of guys so that's what i get that's like a saturday yeah yeah the there's like the shitty fried one that's like the eight and then there's like the kind of like less fried one one yeah doesn't one with like a tomato one up not not you're healthy so so the the idea here is like why is that person have to be in the store like they don't or they don't right like we have zoom we're doing this podcast in two different cities you know hundred miles apart why can't why does that part why isn't that person just at home on zoom just taking orders from me in every dude there's no no downtime okay we talked about this before there's these things that look like segway but with like a ipad screen on it and there's like a woman who you can like talk to and she's like rolling around the store if those have never taken off they've never taken off they're never taken off i know why by the way we had one office so so we had like one of these it's called the double it's called double robotics the name of the company and at first it's like wow this is cool like you could be working remotely but you're like you're the remote manager and you're just wheel up behind people's desks and you're like hey hey how's are it going and then they turn faces on the ipad and like for for for real simple reasons it doesn't work which is like it can't go upstairs so if you like any stare and any of anybody your office then like can't get there i can't like open doors you know so if you have like a meeting room it can't get in like the ipad would die and it's like aha fuck ipads dead right now okay we're gonna have to go charge this never nevermind mind just just call me and like that happens three times and then you just start skipping the robotics thing because you're like just call me dude like we always end up on the call anyways for one of these five reasons and so just skip that whole step so it never really took off but it was too complicated it was too fancy the drive thing you you don't even see the person anyways they're literally just a speaker do no there's just a speaker in the world when you give them money you do yeah because that's a separate person right that's that's like a that's their other job you know that's like they do this other thing you know and while they're trying to give you their change of talking to the next person in line this should just be like imagine the downtime so like you know one of the reasons that like uber is expensive is because there's a whole bunch of time that a human is driving around without a passenger right because you're driving from one trip to the next same thing happens to drive thru there's like there's like time in between cars in between orders do but if i was i could be working at five locations at once and anytime somebody has a a person there i just hop i just connect to that screen i talked to them can connect to the next experience there's no downtime there's this crazy stat where i think it's like one in sixteen americans have worked out of mcdonald's have you ever heard that no but i i believe it it's something like one in sixteen you mcdonald's is one of the largest employers in the world and it's basically like they call it like like internally or even externally like when you're applying for job there they call it like the world's greatest first job and so like the whole s is like we're really good for just we know go here forever yeah and they embrace it and i think that's smart and when i think about my my aunt i an aunt who's been a cashier at a grocery store for forty years that's just was her job she still is and when i think about this stuff about the self self checkout and not having someone there at drive thru and how like i i i'm almost positive it's one in sixteen americans something shockingly high have worked at mcdonald's do you think that you have an obligation as an employer to continue doing some of these minimum wage jobs just so you exist to like further society along otherwise if that isn't the case then you gotta have you're gonna have to do some type of universal income or something like that yeah it's gonna be creative destruction and it's gonna be the rocky before it gets good and i think you have to let the progress happen so you know here's how this is gonna go today in california they're paying you know like if you go look at any mcdonald's or chipotle or whatever it's like now hiring please please fucking come work here twenty four dollars an hour and it's like wow twenty four dollars an hour for this like this is not a minimum wage job that's like three times the minimum wage so and they're still having trouble we're getting people to come work there got three months what's the but what's bucks right wage in california is like fifteen dollar california is hot higher now but it's still double it's like double the minimum wage and so and that's for mcdonald's so what does that mean you know that's just gonna cause prices to go up or it's gonna cause some stores to close because they're just not economical when you have crazy labor costs and so so what's gonna happen is that's gonna go to first they're gonna do the remote thing that i talked about which is instead of paying somebody twenty four dollars in california they're gonna find somebody in nebraska who can zoom in and say can i take your order as long only thing could say can i take your order and push a button then and they're willing to do it for twelve dollars from at home that's gonna happen and then that's gonna get replaced because they're gonna be like i'm tired of paying the sc twelve dollars what oh amazon just released it's alexa product for all brands and i can just i can just have it be like an alexa where it just asks the question and then there's just auto like figures out what i want cool like just like at airports you know people checking at kiosks now instead of at the front desk like the companies are gonna go this way they're gonna go towards automation because it just makes too much financial sense i don't think you should get in the way of progress but are you are you bored with remote work no dude i'm so fucking bored i'm so bored i like you to salespeople people i miss hanging out like i miss it so much i feel like i have way less friends right now i miss it so much i'm so bored and like i find myself going to target like three days a week just to walk around and like see stuff i go to whole foods like all the time like i purposely won't go like once every two so once every ten days for a big trip i'll do lots of small errands i go to the corner store all the time i find myself just like going i'm like let's go shop i just need to get out and i need to be around people and if the people went away from that i would also be pretty bummed that that i be pretty bummed out well i think it would just shift right like okay so now with all this free time what do you go do you go do something else and so you gotta go do something else that gives you that people hit you'll you'll un bundle the socializing part from the like cashier part you know like okay the cashier can become a robot so i'm gonna get my people my people hit from something else and i actually think there's gonna be a whole new job that is just basically like software a supervisor like i just think that's gonna be a job like software is gonna replace what a lot of people do but then it's gonna get stuck and it's not gonna know how to solve some problem not gonna understand somebody's accent at the drive through and then you as the supervisor are gonna set a step in and say hey human here yeah i can help you out sorry about that sorry the stupid software doesn't work well and i don't want this to exist i hate i hate that i hate it i hate it but i i i agree it's inevitable inevitable for sure and so i think there's a whole set of jobs called software supervisor or like robot repair or like robot manager and you're just gonna manage robot it's like what is my job i used to have to walk around and pick up these things now this machine in this warehouse goes and picks up everything i just have to watch the machine to make sure it doesn't hit something else and if it gets stuck or it needs you know some grease i go grease it because i'm a i'm a robot manager that's what i do and that's gonna become done normal job yeah i agree with you i think it's gonna happen can i show you something cool real quick yeah what else i get alright ben hit it million dollars isn't cool you know it's cool a billion dollars alright we got a interesting sig of it you like that this is billy of the week we're gonna i wanna talk to you sean about this guy named brian johnson i showed you this guy let me give you a little bit of background about who about who this is and i'm not actually going to talk about his business so brian johnson started a company called brain tree if you are an entrepreneur or you're work like e com or anything that takes payment brain trees you probably noted it is it's a payment get gateway it's basically stripe but different he bootstrap the company for a long time raised a little bit of money once it was already quite successful and then sold it for a huge amount of money and this was like five years ago i believe they also bought v brain tree button yeah sold it to paypal and if i had to guess at this point he's probably worth at least a billion that's how much money he made i think he sold it for like six or seven or hundred hundred yeah it was three hundred he sold it for three hundred a few hundred million yeah so something like three hundred more like three hundred i think oh got it okay so he's in the range baby he's he's very wealthy so this guy is incredibly interesting and because he just launched something called blueprint so if you go to blueprint dot brian johnson dot c his name is brian b r y a and brian johnson he's doing something pretty amazing basically he's spending all of his time right now trying to lower his biological age so his chronological age is real age i think is forty five his biological age is thirty five and he's measuring all seventy plus of his organs he's measuring nobody knows what this is what what the heck is a so chronological age is just the number of years you're alive right that's that's what that is yeah and then what biological age is what yeah so frankly i don't i'm not entirely aware of how they measure it but i know that i have one using i use this site that hub who is on our podcast promoted it it's called inside tracker and it tracks your blood and different parts of your body and it tells you what your biological ages and i think they do that by looking at the averages so but but frankly i'm not sure but they basically like you can be fifty years old but have the body of a forty year old and this biological age thing it's like a standard way of measuring but i don't know what all goes into it and by the it's right eight hundred million dollars is what he sold it for okay so i'm on eight hundred so so you right about that so let's go to this guy's thing which is by the way this guy's doing something else too he's basically creating like a neural link which is like the same thing elon almost trying to it's like a a brain it looks like a helmet and you could like think something and it happens exactly so you could think like it can just read brain waves and it can cause something they can type out a text message off of a thought that'd be the that'd be the dream or the idea and this new thing is this blog where basically he's basically measuring everything in his body and he said lebron james said he spent one point five million dollars a year to improve his body i'm spending more than that i've developed all the tests i've got as much money if you could possibly have my whole goal here is to lower my biological age and i test all my organs and when i test them i put all the results here so anyone could do it and he lists his diet his workout everything and he listed his diet let me just read what he had for breakfast breakfast was super veggie he basically had broccoli cauliflower spinach mushrooms garlic and salts and vinegar ugh that was his breakfast lunch lunch leafy greens veggies berries seeds and nuts dinner was nutty pudding i don't know what that is almond milk mac nuts chia seeds blueberry raspberries pomegranate juice that's it and then he lists all of his supplements in they're twenty of children's hemoglobin you know like horse horse horse serum i these guy's yeah he's like eating like crazy stuff and he's jacked so he's a hundred and sixty five pounds he's probably only five ten six foot so he's not like huge but he's i think six percent body fat he has his body fat all there and he has like all i don't know how you you know i don't the you can click through this and you could see all of the attributes to each organ and things like that so i don't i don't understand a lot of it but it's incredibly fascinating and i think it's fascinating because a i just think this is interesting but b i think i've been saying this for a little while i think what this guy is doing is gonna be very common not in five years but like maybe in fifteen or twenty or thirty years and the reason why i've always thought that this is weird and this is like the biggest problem one of the biggest problems we have is humans it's basically how often have you heard the story of like person just found out that they have cancer and it's like stage five stage four or whatever had they known it could have been cured yep and it's freaking crazy how reactive we are to health and not proactive and so i actually think that what he's doing which is proactive it's gonna be the future i don't think it's gonna be this extreme because like i've always said this like even though like you know drugs are bad like you still gotta get fucked up sometimes do you can't be eating fucking mac nuts and chicago mushrooms every goddamn meal like you know what i mean you gotta have some cake like some tequila once in a while so like i'm down to get fucked up once in a while but i do think that like this is pretty cool this is amazing i can't believe i haven't seen this before so it's it's new it's is like what's old this is one of the most amazing things i've ever information i'm just clicking through it right now and like i don't even wanna do this podcast i wanna go read all of this and i wanna see what's amazing right so there's i i i totally agree with you that the future looks more like this than it does like today so like it is crazy that we don't know what's going on inside our own body in fact there's a question that you can ask yourself which gets you to think a little bit differently and see the world a little differently which is in fifty years like today alright let's say we look back a hundred years ago so a hundred years ago was the year nineteen twenty and how many things in our day how many things that that that they did back then would just seem so primitive right so it's like okay but so did you just say fifty years ago was nineteen twenty hundred years ago so a hundred years ago was at nineteen twenty right so let's say hundred years ago i don't know what what's i don't know the exact timeline of things but like you know nineteen twenty like we're all that just happened yeah so smoking was far more common you could advertised cigarettes to people you could smoke and you could smoke anywhere you want so that was quite common like there's a whole bunch of things stuff like so all the things we do like if i look at my day today it's like well no there was no internet there's definitely no cell phone there was definitely no i i don't even think there was like i don't even know like could women vote like i don't i don't know when all these things happened but like the world it was just happening right around then world looked very different let's put it that way so world looked very different and and you know but it looked it felt completely normal at the time and so and so if you if you think about if you go forward you say okay cool so then you know you fast forward to today then you go forward a hundred years so you know when i look back and i see slavery i say wow that's crazy i can't believe that was i was okay or you know the when when the holocaust was happening i can't believe people just stood by while that happened and it's like what are they holocaust of today and it's like i think so for personally for example i believe that people will look back and be like you just killed animals all the time you just murdered them for food like you murdered them for lunch for that number seven i don't think we're gonna we're gonna do it we're gonna we're not gonna necessarily gonna do about that but i think what they will say is so you would just like raise these chickens like a million of them under this barn and they would be shitting on each other and like you just like or these cows they're like born into this pen and straight from the pen they go straight to the where they're killed as a feel like are you treated them that way so the mom never like i think that we're gonna be like i can't believe you i think that's how people people are starting to feel that now right that's like where you know like a lot of the kind of vegan plant based stuff comes from as you see what's going on in a farm you're like this is horrible the horrible from a like a moral ethical level you know like i i i i for example my wife's vegan and i was like yeah okay you know like i get it a killing animals to eat them is probably not good right i is killing a live thing and i love my dog and if i spend time with like a i kinda like love that horse too like cows like you know like they're not that far they're not that different right like yeah i guess i could see how if i had to if i had to like think about it emotionally that would be feel really wrong okay but what about you know just like having milk and eggs it can't can't be that bad right like what's still wrong with milk and i love cheese what i was wrong with cheese and then they showed that like you know like you know ear mu if you if you're sensitive if you can't handle the stuff but basically the way that the way that the video i was watching that were like how how they get milk because like milk basically a cow gives birth to a baby they then separate the baby from the mom they put it like nearby enough where the where the mom can hear the baby crying for milk but it can't reach it so the milk gets produced like at this like much higher rate or whatever and first of all to even get them pregnant they like artificially ins intimidate them they like basically like rape them with their arm with a plastic bag over it and they just keep them pregnant year round so they're just constantly pregnant in order to constantly be producing milk and then they're constantly taking the babies away to cry and then they go kill the baby for for food and then they let the mom just keep milk so it's like yeah it's pretty best up thing you know like if once you know it's pretty hard to i'm down i'm down to kill to eat them i just i i would like to treat them a little nicer before we go what i'm saying is that's gonna be like that's gonna be like you know i that's gonna be seen like i i like my house slave like i i treat them well like i feed them like i i i that's how it's gonna be seen a hundred years old i think the way we treat animals today dude we've been eating animals since the be getting of time i don't think that's gonna change it's gonna change you're on drugs i think we're gonna feed them nicer you're gonna change drugs it's gonna change because we're gonna have a good substitute which is lab grown meat so people are gonna be able to make make the make the same steak you want without killing the animal and then in that case killing the animal is gonna look absolutely barbaric it's gonna be only a hobby sport it is not gonna be the way you feed feed the population so god i think yours so wrong about that okay fair enough but there is a thought experiment i believe that in a hundred and i think we are gonna treat it i think we're gonna treat them better i totally think that that's why i try to buy it yes before we murder them yes dude i'm i'm higher up in the in the food chain i'm gonna eat you i think i've been trying to buy a cow here have you you know you could buy like whole cal cow like you can drive to the farm here in austin and like see like the farm and then you pay like ten dollars or eight cow yeah and you could like buy the cow i've been trying to do that because i i think that's a good way to do it but it's i have okay go so my point is there's you can think of a whole bunch of things one what else is gonna see in barbaric i think the health thing that you're talking about right now which is that you you don't know what's going on in your body at any given time like it's fucking crazy it's fucking crazy they're gonna be like so you just you were just wing it like yeah you know we go to the doctor like once a year and we just say hey is everything alright when's this gonna be been in the doctor bro do don't go to the doc dude don't go the doctor i'm admitted doctor in like five years i've made an appointment and i missed it because i was late know i'm late to everything late to this podcast i was late to the doctor and he couldn't walked like i i haven't seen a dentist in like twenty years for for sure dentist you can miss me with that so there's basically like you know there's no point but but i'm down to have like some chip in my body or some blood sensor that's like i want to at all times know what's going on my body just don't wanna go to the doctor so yeah that's gonna be seen as crazy that we it's like people who know it's like if you go drive around without a map or something it's like whoa whoa were you renegade we're gonna be seen as the ultimate renegade aids for having just like lived life i not knowing when there's cancers and blood diseases that are just floating around in our body and like hope hope we caught it in time you know we didn't it's too bad you know was crazy to me so have you heard of the the the mayo executive health clinic or health chat i've been thinking about doing it like i'm gonna do it i'll do it with you explain it it's like five grand let's use our an our n money and do it so basically yeah yeah let's do that it's five or six thousand dollars and it's posted by the mayo clinic and they have locations in probably where's mayo indiana i think not dame was that dame i think they have another one they arizona yeah there's arizona california i don't think the one think arizona is the closest one is it arizona but describe what it is because i didn't know about this until buddy told me and i was like oh shit yeah we should do that yeah i've i've been thinking about it doing it but i wasn't sure if it'd be beneficial a at me at my age i thought maybe it'd would be more beneficial a little bit older but basically you spend five to eight grand and you go to this mayo clinic hospital ultimately in arizona and you stay there for two nights three days and they just do a ton of test on you so you get an mri done you get all your blood work done you get i don't even know i mean just get they have a list if you type in mayo executive health checkup or something that they have it and basically in order to get so when when we sold the company i had to get this thing called and even before we sold it i to get it because we are big enough to wear like if sam if me if i got sued it could be bad for the company and so we will get this thing called board of directors insurance do you heard of that yep yep yep and so it's cheap it's like a thousand dollars or five i forget how much it costs and if you're a little bit older or you're unhealthy it's what i think sometimes you have to get one of these one of these things done in order to qualify for that health insurance or to get a discount on it and basically you go to this place and and they do a ton of different shit on you just to see like what your health how healthy you are and you're supposed to go once a year right and so you do does it say what the scans are so there's a bunch of provisions high level what they are yeah like cardiovascular okay whatever this is not gonna tell us anything but they test for like at know like metals in your body or like shit that like you don't get at the normal doctor and it sounds like you know over the top like i wouldn't wouldn't really think about it but the person who recommended it they were like hey like you know we're now like all like thirty plus and like you know shit happens like hopefully not in your thirties sometimes in your forties getting to your fifty sixty seventies it's becomes like a probably type of thing and they're like you know we're fortunate to to make some money like the best use we can do of our money is health and so like let's just do this thing let's just do it every year we'll make a fun trip out of it and let's go get this screen done and like let's just stay stand yeah he's trying to get he's been trying to get ramon to do it i'll do it i'll i'm gonna do it yeah so so we should we should book this thing so let's go back to this brian johnson okay so he is basically monitoring his body at an extreme level and it looks like he's basically measuring the health and age of his organs of his individual organs and then he's looking at if i take this you know thirty micro of melatonin before bed how does that affect x it's like you know the quantified self nerd stuff but on steroids on you know on like the this is like the most extreme example i've seen of it it's the most extreme example i don't think it's a good way to live because like it it's it's you have you probably don't have that much joy no this isn't for the nora person this is for the the like the human population needs like point one percent of the beginning population yeah to be this weird and do these tests and push the boundaries and like live in the future like there there's that phrase i forgot what it is i a simplified version of the the simplified verb the the complicated version is like the future future is already here it's just not evenly distributed but i just say the future of the here it's just not everywhere which is like the simple way of saying that right like it's like this guy's living in the future we're just not all living in the future right now like the thing he's doing we will all know this level of detail about our body i've heard a a phrase it's like basically what rich nerds doing the weekend everyone will be doing in ten years right yeah and that's exactly what this is this is amazing have you seen a picture of him look look at look at his like look at them without the way this is like yeah he's insane so he's six feet tall he's forty something years old and he is three point five percent body face insanely ripped but he's also when he said that said that wasn't optimal he goes that was too low so i went back up to like six point eight yeah yeah it's pretty click that video on six point too so i went to twenty six right look there's a picture of him there's a video of him dunking or like jumping up there have you like he looks great man this guy looks super good he is to me like you know like elon musk gets a ton of worship because it's like wow you're the genius billionaire inventor and you like say dick jokes like you're my hero and it's not that this guy's like better than elon or are elon worse in this sky not nothing really like that but man i love finding these guys that are like they're not like they're they're no different like this guy is just as smart has been super successful he is absolutely ripped which like you know samuel he elon has not been prioritized in that you you could tell so it's like this guy lives a different lifestyle but it's like this guy will have one one millionth the fame of elon musk right now you know what i mean like if i go look this elon musk i think he's got two thousand followers on twitter let's i'm gonna dm yeah like we should have him on because i think this guy's fascinating and like we've actually talked about it before by the way we did him as billy of the week before this because he told the story about door door sales and i went on this long rant about daughter sales and how i thought that was like an amazing hack for hiring anybody who's done well with door sales so elon sixty three sixty three million followers brian johnson i think it's like two three four five thousand yeah like let's see he's okay he's at twenty seven thousand so he's not nothing but you know twenty seven thousand twenty seven three million is like i think he got a bunch because he went on the le freeman podcast and that like really boost him but yeah he's basically like you know one one thousand more than one thousand times less famous but i think these types of people are like way more accessible raymond interested to learn from and just more fun to be a fan of than just being a fan of you know the yankee type of thing yeah alright let's get him on it's this guy's fascinating he he's very interesting and ben by the way he's a mormon right so ben you're basically related to him ask your cousin and if he'll come on then yeah don't you know him all i'll all i can say is i'll see what i can do yeah you like i you definitely you definitely have a cousin is they're like a group chat basketball camp with him or something chat yeah yeah like your social network or something you you surely have you have something just for that we do have a social network you no don't use it but we do have one what is a call i don't even know just tab it's it's a it's a it's an app that was made by the by the church called nature yeah i'll look at that that can be next episode i'll tell you all about the yeah just the church chat just call them sounds like a business opportunity if the mormon social network exists but nobody's really using it i feel like all you gotta do is you know air drops some tokens and and all of a sudden people will be using this thing like i yeah by way did you got either you guys you guys don't own by the way just ask mitt romney for an intro he knows them she is yeah there's definitely a group chat for like the successful super successful warm they all took the blood oath same dude do you know what an air drop is no i see everyone talking about it and i'm too afraid to ask okay so basically air drop is this amazing thing in crypto where you just wake up and then there's thousands of dollars in your wallet that you didn't have the day before and so that's what happened yesterday is anybody who owned what's called a dot e s the ethereum name service which is basically like a you dot com dot org dot there's a dot e n s now and so like when i did my crypto week i was like oh i wanna have my like my name space in the in the on the blockchain chain like the the in the ethereum world so i created a a dot e like how much what did you get so i got like four grand yesterday just for having and i only have one i have friends that have like hundreds of these names they they they made like you know fifty thousand hundred thousand dollars yesterday well really you know you you bought this thing like you know i paid a hundred dollar in gas fee two hundred dollars of gas fees to get my name and you know that thing paid off with like a four thousand dollar air drop so basically the the organization that's behind this they created their own token yesterday for that will be used to like vote on how this thing works so like in the domain world there's like ic can you know what i mean like this this or as this committee called ic can and i can get to decide when there's a new domain which bullshit like dot photo or dot business sub dot such bullshit so they're that's the governing body right and so with with the crypto world it's decentralized so the way it works is everybody who owns a name gets to vote so if you're if you're a user you get to vote and so how do you vote you vote with your tokens and said they dropped the air dropped a bunch of tokens to to everybody and so everybody made a bunch of money nobody's gonna care about the vote it's like reading the privacy policy of a website you're just like yeah agree agree agree sure i'll i'll vote with the majority no problem just give me my give me my free money please but this happens time in in the in the crypto world is if you own an asset the group that made that can air drop more tokens to you and those have some market value associated with like that happened with board apes if you had a board vape they they air dropped you this potion that you could give your ape and turn it into a mutant and that potion in the mutants basically at just like doubled the value of whatever you own so you owned a thing that was worth i think the cheapest one right now is like a hundred and fifty thousand it's at the time there were like fifty thousand and you people were basically getting a free ten to twenty thousand dollar item air drop to them by the organization is kind of insane now that bitcoin sixty seven grand what how much your net worth is in crypto i don't even calculate it anymore like i don't know i don't care fifty percent probably yeah probably because it you know i physically started it my goal was to put in twenty five percent i think put i put twenty in and then i started going up so much i just i stopped at twenty and you know i should have just gone oli in i should have gone all like i believed and i should have gone to eighty percent what about what do you think what do you think pop has how much crypto do you think he has he says he was ninety percent crypto but i don't think he had a ton of money at the time and the question i have is like he then started making easily a few million dollars a year over the last let's say three years i wouldn't say easily two i would say years two i would say two to three million a year if if i had a guess right right so that's few few million dollars a year for the last couple of years so that's like let's say after taxes and all that good stuff let's say he got another four or five million bucks out of you know all of his content sponsorships and all that good stuff courses that sort of thing the question is did he convert all that into bitcoin as he was going or did he hedge if he converted at all you know that means he's got i would if i was gonna place a guess i would say that if he when he was earning that bitcoin gone up about five x since then so if you had four million dollars gone five x that's about a twenty million dollar stake in that part not a not including whatever you had before that so i would guess the guy's net worth is probably i'd set the line at thirty million dollars the liquid net worth not included not not not only ownership of the start of yeah startup up investments that you made that are you know speculative ill liquid at the moment yeah i mean that'd be a home run i could be what what do you think would you guess that i'd probably say lower if i had a guess i got no information if i had to guess i would say fifteen fifteen and i think when he started the like the like before he was pumped the brand name you know like a lot of it depends on what was your base right so like well he said in his article he wrote this amazing article about how he's quitting yeah that was fun and it was a great article you shared it as like just great writing and i agree with you i think you shared it yeah and it was really good and so basically pumps came on our pot a couple times we should have him on again and he is this personality who has a subs stack has a podcast has a fund where he raised i think a hundred million dollars and he basically was with a hundred don't know for a hundred but yeah go ahead something well out tens of millions let's say he wrote a letter to his investors saying i'm shutting this down because i want more free time and i wanna spend more time doing what i want so here's your money back he goes i don't wanna be a billionaire there i wanna be a time billionaire there and i love that i completely agree with that move that's so totally the right move he basically said without saying that i was unhappy because i was addicted to screens and i don't wanna be like on this dopamine game anymore which is so common we've been hearing that constantly hearing that a lot not surprising the pendulum is swing right we all got addicted to this substance and now you know some of us are coming off of it publicly i read it a little bit differently here's how i read it i read it like this which is it doesn't really make sense for me to invest y'all money now because i kinda got enough money on my own that i'm just gonna invest my own money and not have to deal with any of you guys and i don't need to like play this game of fees and carry when which will just make me wanna like i have to raise this bigger and bigger fund deal with more of you guys have to like deploy more and more capital which takes more time like if i just invest my own money at this point i'm gonna do much better i'll make more money because i'll own a hundred percent of my upside and secondly i don't have to keep i don't have to deal with any people i don't have to deal with anybody i don't have to go fund raise i don't have to write updates i don't have to do any of this stuff so i kinda read it which was just like that made when i was famous but not rich it was great to raise a fund and that was the only way i could invest a bunch of money but now i'm rich and famous and so i don't need your money anymore because it comes with problems right like it comes with worst has your has your mini fame exhausted you no not at all but i don't even really i don't even feel that famous at all so i don't like up all the time to do shit yeah but i just say no i just say no all the time so like i me too but i find it to be tiring like i i keep me up at like for example this young guy i live next to a university this kid knocked to my door last week and he goes hey i was wondering do you have a dog like i wanna make some extra money i would walk your dog for you and i said fucking egg good hustle i appreciate that i'm not just gonna give my dog to you though write up a letter tell me all about yourself and put it in here and i'll determine if i think you're good fit and he did it and i've been losing sleep each because i'm like like i don't need someone to walk my dog but like i wanna give this guy a little bit of money how should i say i've been like keeping up at night like it's been keeping me up at night for like five or seven days on how i'm gonna like re reply to this guy and i get messages an email and i'm like and sometimes they get from people i love and they want me to do stuff and i'm like i don't wanna do this how do i say no you say me look you know i would just be i you should just say completely exactly what you're saying which is i think your hustle was awesome which maybe wanna say yes but i also realized i don't i actually like walking my dog i don't need somebody to walk my dog so let's do this i'm gonna pay you for a week of walking in my dog you don't have to walk my dog because i want you to be rewarded for what you're doing because i think it's really great and i remember when i was you but so you know here's this money i need a sleep easy at night and i also wanna walk my own dog and hey if you ever want to like do something else you know like maybe if i ever have like a job for somebody who's who i want i need a hustle to do something i got your number and just instead of that you'll make his day and then you'll be able to like chill out not have to think about it that's i was gonna just i was just gonna v moe like fifty bucks and be like i wanna reward you but it a make it a magic moment for him so like this game i've been playing and i think you should do this as much as you can i'm really just giving myself this advice which is let's say there's a situation like this and like you could give them you could just say no you could be nice and in fifty bucks but what would make it feel amazing is like probably just like a little bit more than fifty bucks and some message like the thing i just said which will make him feel like oh shit this guy's is awesome and like he wreck he saw me for being awesome like i got validated for this hustle that i was doing like there's tony robbins tells a story of like he was in this restaurant and the waiter was great he was like had a big big group was like a big family dinner and everybody needed a thing and the waiter was so kind and he was just hustling and he was making laugh and he did this magic trick for my daughter and like he was his young kid twenty one years old or something like that and he tells the story he's like at the end of the dinner i already knew like hey this waiter was great and i'm gonna leave a nice tip but he said who you say who did you say did this tony robbins and and his kid is like somebody suggests something or he he realized realizes he's like you know what i'm not just gonna leave a tip what would make this a magic moment for this kid alright how can i do this he goes alright guys when this guy comes out with our with our to go boxes or whatever like the final thing we are gonna this guy been amazing right we all agree wait been amazing we were gonna give him a standing ovation in this restaurant oh my god and he's like gets the whole table to stand up they just start cheering for this guy as he's coming forward he's like what is everything okay he's like and and then he just says he goes i need to talk to your manager he's like what i brings the manager over he just says look you know i've been coming to this restaurant for a long time this is the best experience i've had this waiter was amazing and he really just made the night for our family and i just wanna thank you for that thank you for hiring this kid and he just kinda like made the kid feel like a star and i think the story goes on which is like i think his daughter ended marrying this guy or something like that like it ended up being some crazy story but just he he kind of left that nugget he goes just think about what's the little extra ten twenty percent you could do it didn't take that much more effort to just like stand up and clap for the guy like a little bit embarrassing i guess but a little bit embarrassing on on unorthodox but it is it didn't like require more money or more time it was just a little creativity of how to make this guy feel like like a little extra and and so i've been doing that from time to time where i'll just see a situation i'll go okay dude you cheer you stood up at cheered or you're like not in a i haven't done i didn't wanna do the exact same thing but i use this this idea of make it a magic moment for the person and it's like you know i could just do this that'd be like the normal good thing but what would make this like really pop off and what would make this something that they will remember tonight they'll go tell somebody that this happened for them and then i do that thing and i never regret it it's always like you know my intention is good like you know even if it's the even if the execution is slightly awkward i'd rather be the guy that does that than is in the is in a shell you know i think i agree alright fine lucky lucky kid mel have to send him this podcast alright we should wrap it up and yeah we're good alright that's the episode yeah i feel like i could rule to word i know i could be what i want to from at all in in like a day's off on a road travel never looking back