Brendan Schaub: From UFC Fighter To Comedian & Podcaster

back to the point of you know getting talk talk deep i you know i'm doing stand up for about two years i think i'm the fastest comic to ever get a a network special at showtime so i was like no for the most part people like oh this guy's know two years this is good for him no man when you do that what happens is it actually pushes you further away from them we're live now vernon chop what's going on i'm sam this is sean we just get right into things but we sean and i have been huge fans of you for a long time you were both huge g fans we go to a bunch of those shows been watching you on fire of the kid for a while then they show with theo von yeah that was awesome so we've been fans forever i think we've each actually might have a thick boy shirt i love it i shirt just the body actually so i'm a real fan i went i went all the way fixing in the heart fellas sticks in the heart i don't drink otherwise i would have your your whiskey whiskey but you know you do lots of stuff it's like i'll i'll kinda give like what i know about you but basically you were your from colorado played a little bit in the nfl i don't know if you actually made the cut entirely but you were like very serious for the bro went into the u you did awesome you knocked out some great guys yeah and then you got into show business via podcast podcasts so you originally were just on joe rogan at a bunch eventually launched your own thing and now you have fighter in the kid but you also have like three or four other podcast right that i don't know how how how big are they i mean i know that you get you have hundreds of thousands of subscribers and each video gets like hundreds of thousands of views so i actually don't know like how big the empire is yeah sure so just going back to like the football yeah so i played at university colorado for the buffs who they just got dion on sand or so excited about that and then i had a a cup of coffee with the buffalo bills and i got there and there they're like ro said on slow white guys so that broke my heart and then i and then i yeah then from there i'll sell and supplements door to door like see the happiness style and then i started training in ji and boxing and then next you know i'm fighting grown men and steel cage my underwear and then two years after i started training i was in the i made it through ultimate fighter was a finalist there with kim slice right yeah yeah it's the biggest season with the shot evans and rampage jackson so yeah and then you know shortly after that you know there's a common theme in my life it's like i get put in the deep band it goes zero to hundred in every aspect of my life it's just this common theme throughout my entire career whether it's comedy football fighting whatever it is podcasting i get thrown in the deep and i gotta figure it out so i was in the and then probably two years in the i'm next scene i'm ranked top ten in the world you know and it was terrifying but then slowly after that i i i moved to la because i grew up in venice beach in the summers at my uncle house when i was a a a young boy my dad always bring me out here for the summers so i always felt you know a weird connection to los angeles so once i can make the move i made the move and then i started a podcast this is damn near eleven years ago twelve years ago i started a podcast called the fighter and the kid with brian cow and yeah i think took off and then now fast forward to twenty twenty three i own a a podcast network so the think boy network where we have you know probably around seven shows you know so yeah so between the fire kid the shop show flu truck diaries fight companion the golden hour you know it's it's going well a lot of work it's a lot of work yeah your your output is pretty insane and you know the thing about you you said you got thrown in the deep end and and you're kinda of right like transitioning from football to u seen was a really short transition and then you're doing it at that kind of the high level you're in the actual it takes most guys like long long amateur journey then they go to a small promotion they go to a bigger promotion you kinda fast track that and then in comedy you did the same thing where you kind of went from i'm mean fighter tom comedian i got a special on showtime really fast and i think there's yeah probably i don't know i don't know you how you think about it now but like there's good and bad with with that fast track on one hand you learn fast on the other hand you kinda get your ass kicked because you're pushing the boundary further than maybe you were ready for or had learn and you're learning publicly yeah there you go correct so it's you know on hindsight looking at it even when i was in the lending comedy i just i i wish i had people around me that went slow down man now i'm fighting you don't really have that option watching you in the usc you know it's the big league so they you know they call you with mer crow comp or matt or you know brock les you gotta take the fight so you really don't have control there could have been smarter about make decisions i was young you know and had a lot of belief in myself and you know eventually that experience catches up with you you know i i was a lot more athletic than a lot of those heavyweights that's why i excel so fast but again that's their blessing and a curse because even hit to a level where your fight is that with forty fifty fights and they've seen a athletic dude you know with a good right hand and you know good wrestling but you know eventually you know you're this cheat coat and it catches up to you and you there's nothing replaces experience so that was a blessing and curse a blessing as far as i was able to transition get out and build a fan base and go to something i always wanna do nothing comedy you know really you know it's true when i started comedy you know i have some great mentors you know and joe rogan like the brother and brian hall and d vaughn and toms si and bert k and joey d o i have just this plethora of just amazing comments out that was around and i i i was only you know i'd go to dinner with them and do all you know the podcast with make them laugh and they all encourage you to do stand up which i you know always wanna do since out the child so you know everyone told me it's it's gonna me ten years before you find your voice i'm like dad that and you i've never get a hard work let's do it so the the issue with that is you know i get catapult you know i'm instead of doing open mics you know one of my first things i did was you know chicago theater you know the theater which you how did you start because it's a big jump from oh this dude's funny when we hang out cracks jokes bus ball oh yeah this guy this guy's is good he's he's a funny guy to you're on stage and you gotta do a set that's like that's like a it's it's like a different thing together and you know me and sam we try to like we we try to be funny in our little pond it's like you know i it'll be that funny to be the funniest business podcast so we're we're we're we're a dwarf among mid is what we are yeah it's like it's like you don't have that funny uncle at the party you know and if you're you know if you're your brother's like man i think you're really funny that there's a big difference between your family and friends doing all your fighting man try stand up and then bert christ joe rogan joey diaz brian cal crystal and theo dude did you need to stand up you know you got what did you even do though to to develop that first hour reading the book are you are you just going the house with a notepad and being like hey how am i write the shit no it's like sink or swim so you know i had my ten thousand rep reps on podcast podcasts with comedian keep it up with them making them laugh being you know really quick at and then really it it's almost the perfect situation in order to get started stand up because the finally the kid got you know so popular we do live find the kids but remember brian has didn't comedy for thirty years so when they we got off and do a live fire in the kid i told brian i'm like you ever been to light podcast they suck it's two guys they do the worst dude and brian was now man no i've been so this with thirty years we're gonna do performance so i go okay what do you wanna do so he came up with this whole idea to make it a show and brian at the time knew i wanna do stan but he didn't wanna i guess scare me because it is scary you know this especially in friendly these sold out crowds when most people were doing open my to fifteen fifteen other salty comments you know so for me you know doing it a sold out crowd brian goat i hear because brian was always late to the podcast you know i'm i'm very professional i'm i'm i'm not late i'm never late in what twelve years of podcast i've never been late it's not what i do so brian would be late and needs to drive me nuts so i used to roast to time coming late goes right so our first live show let's keep up with the scene we're gonna pretend i'm late i'm not there and you gotta start the show by yourself so you're gonna tell story for ten minutes and not come in you get all upset we do the whole app i'm like great cool i like i can handle that so i tell story get tell stories so that carries on for you know four or five shows and then get rat i afraid probably portland lane or seattle some sold out theater and i'm back backstage before the the crowd i'm pretty nervous i told brian like man i know what's storing the tailing you know brian was like frantic he's again he's looking for something is wet like i don't know what story meant tell you was what like you talking about story know you doing stand up dumbass i was like oh and then just clicked i'm like oh so storytelling you just don't me that because you didn't wanna skim me was crap you're you doing stand up dude i was oh that's what i'm doing so shortly after that i come the realization like this is stand up either it's just your way of doing it so then we do a live fighter the kid at the comedy store you know the world famous comedy store which as a kid was like you know the met like mess square garden for basketball so i we do their tommy store goes great and then six weeks or six days later i'm driving and i get a call from the magic with comedy store emily she calls when and she goes hey brad this is emily at the comedy really hey you don't great show the other day i'm like thank you she goes hey we're seeing if you'd like to do a set in the belly room give give you six minutes i go let me call brian cal and see if he's available she goes no dumbass just you you had a great set the other night like me you want me to do stand up at time starts she was goes yeah so it's been smaller the belly but if you want six minutes to yours so i was like say less so i did that mh there was just you know i was in two thousand fourteen two fifteen ish like early two out fifteen probably right around end of two out fourteen and then just you know you get that bug and then it's off to the races man you know i knew it's you know it takes a takes a lot of work with back to the point of you know getting talk possibly deep you know i'm doing stan up for about two years i think i'm the fastest comic to ever get a a network special at showtime and you know i i i just in in my eyes i thought at the time how of special doing you get me right i i challenge any comment he's with a two year two years to do a network special and have sixty minutes you know now is it as good as bill burst special no in my head i thought people would see that and go oh my god for only do it two years look at this guy thinking get much better than getting in four years and five years and ten years and fit we're just gonna be on fifteen years but a lot of people don't have that insight they don't give a shit about that yeah they don't see it like that and you know and again you know is a wildest so i was young and i i always it it might be it could be an asset or it could be a huge shape and hole that have but i would see the best in people in society like i don't pay attention to hey everything's all good you know i just i you know i gravitate towards positivity so i was like no for the most part people like oh these guys know two years this is good for him no man when you do that what happens is it actually pushes you further away from them i thought it'd bring me closer to being legit and be like my peers not pushes you farther away because a lot of those guys that i mentioned earlier on and even outside of those guys a lot of famous commands it took them fifteen twenty years your network special so there's a lot of simon jealous just let you know it just rubs people the wrong way and i didn't see that coming and i gotta be honest and i don't think really anybody did you know but it is what it is you know you do that and you move on and you just keep grinding and you go to the next one the next one so yeah it's been interesting man it's been really interesting i learned on the fly i also learned the hardest way that's only way having make changes i learned the hard way so i i would change anything you know things are pretty good are you the the ceo of the network now i mean how are you so you're having to be the talent and you're running the business yeah he lies crown and so i grew up in a a business minded family my dad's a entrepreneur you know he's always been business minded i have a a double major from university colorado and sociology in business so i was gravitate towards business and you know i worked for showtime for six years i built their entire you know podcast branch which is crushing it now and shout out to brian daly and you know at the end of six years so this is december last year twenty twenty two six months prior they offered me another six year contract and i i was just looking around and shut time was great to me you know was get a salary and you know they're reaping the benefits and it was good for both sides i stopped mad i feel like i could do this on my own you know i am a entrepreneur i feel like i could i see what they'd bill and you know and i've helped them out a lot helped me out a lot i feel like it can invest in myself and do this on my own and so i turned down the contract i was like i'm a do my own start big boy studios and i owned all the i piece to the all the shows i started with them so i brought that over and it's you know it's in hindsight i didn't just you know i don't really know who to talk to you know nobody in my lane kinda has done this where you leave a major network in podcasting and bring it over on your own and it's it's a different animal when you're not only you talent it but you also running did you business raise money for that or did you just self fund it would you do yeah self funded it from all the other shows and stand up i just put all my money into that and then whatever i started new thing i'm like you know people are like oh congrats and i'm like ask me in a year like we'll find out we're what's gonna be fun to find out like this is either a bad idea it's an alright idea or it's an amazing idea we'll find out because you know i go into things relatively blind like i don't do a ton of research before i go into things but i know i got confidence i'll figure things out eventually but the reality is that some some ideas are better than others so a year in now owning your own podcast network is this a bad idea good okay good idea or is it an amazing is it an amazing business i think it's still too early to tell oh mean we're you're in financially am i making more money yes but you know that can't just be the the main focus you know because my life's is more complicated you know my life's more complicated i've less free time so what's that worse you know so there's like these pros and cons think about because at that showtime i was the talent i would create shows they would make it happen you know and they would have the employees and the creative team and the producers and the editors and i was i would come up with ideas they would execute it i would sit down knock it out great get paid for that and move on and just not worry about to you know the next day or the next week now it's a little different now you know i would say one of my biggest kind of fault is not like i'm i'm a control freak so i need help and and i'm getting there but and i just you know you want somebody care as much about your business as you do and it's impossible to find and you know with showtime they're cbs so they're doing all the right stuff as far as hiring and you know and bringing in the right people and i didn't take that consideration like hiring you know hardest up find good employees and people that actually care and you can get the job done and they mold with the team and joe with the team so it's just those kind of dynamics i didn't think about men also when you at showtime you know for six years and we started with zero subscribers and then six years later at like six hundred thousand you know a well known in the space we're up for awards you're starting from geared dead zero again start till about six years that you built for them that doesn't come with you i don't own that showtime page just there so you just start from zero again i think we're like a hundred and sixty to a hundred seventy thousand now a year in which isn't bad but it's you know it it takes time to keep chipping away chipping away so we'll what about listen like sean and i the metrics that we know is downloads which is when we described downloads as like spotify youtube and also itunes and all that shit whether do you what what's the size of your biggest show i think is fire the kid what what size are you guys at now for that we we do we look at it per episode because otherwise you can get a lot of downloads if you just pump out more and more episodes like per episode is the real real deal i think for these shows well see so finally kid and the golden now which is formerly known as king and the sting with on so finally kin king is sting even though they're on the think boy network those haven't changed just under my banner but those have those those weren't part of showtime at all showtime was below the belt which is now the shop show food truck diaries and some other shows and then i wasn't doing fight campaign with them that's all new so you know i would say probably cut my audience in half you know probably in half mh but and what what's the fighter in the kid at finally kid that i mean now now we're going down you know you're going down a a different road because there's factors there that have you know caused that showed like you know you way doing it for twelve years that it's like this you know it's like this so you know we've been as high as six hundred thousand episode as low as a hundred thousand episode so that that and it's you know there's been some outline factors you know that that caused those issues so each in that with the changing of king of the sting with ph leaving you're talking about a whole new show so you start from bass from scratch again to start with crystal leah and griffin it's completely different show the dead damage it's completely different so you're reproducing that showed of kind of that although it there was an audience there i think we're about five hundred thousand subscribers those five hundred thousand subscribers were there for theo branded job so when you go alright well here's brendan and crystal and eric some people will know we like the damn with steel and brendan so that's fairly new you know that's about six months old so you know that one's probably around a hundred and fifty two hundred thousand just on youtube but i think a lot of people in podcasting because this the thing in twenty twenty three is they look at youtube youtube youtube youtube audio can't most for the most part people listen to podcasts on the way to work or when they're at the office that we sit now and watching the podcast for two hours or three hours where however longer podcast is the audio is key so my main metric that i focus on is always audio now audio start to go down we got problems yeah we're at like we'll we'll we'll have guests on once in while and they'll be like are you guys big and and they'll just look at the youtube and like our youtube only gets like thirty thousand twenty thousand all the way up to two hundred thousand per episode but then our audio it's like consistently a hundred two hundred thousand ish or something like that like consistently every special time crazy and that and that's crushing it and i'm like no it's pretty big it's just like you can't see those numbers but our our audio i mean it's like that's like as true to subscription as you can get because it's just consistently a big thing yeah audio came move this new generation of podcast coming in you know you see the logan paul's the andrew sc of the world and you know rogan is massive on youtube but it's again and i don't know what logan paul's numbers are as far as audio logan paul's a buddy i guess i could find out but because he's a youtuber his his numbers are masked on youtube i'd be curious to see what his audio is like because again audio is king and podcasting so i never focus on youtube too much now if there's a decline you're like we gotta figure this out then we'll work through it but if my audio solid i don't you know i'm not there's no red flags what's your ambition level in terms of this business like are you are you are you thinking like i think we can get to ten million revenue or is it like i wanna exit for a hundred million dollars i think we can get the fifty million in revenue where do you where's like your not quite north star but like your two three five year goal yeah that's a that's a great question rob der dicks a good buddy and she's such i don't know if you got rob derek would be great for good we've had we've had him on and he killed it we we we were a i i think we were a little bit early in his like public business persona and we had them and he blew us away he was a amazing i i've know roster for yes i always news he this like sa comes to business he makes so many great decisions and he came into the thick boys studios here in cal and i was probably i don't know he's two or three months into it you know so he's still trying to figure it out and he's looking around and he's like my head this is cool and he's asking all these questions they kept going you know what's your goal what's your goal what's your goal and finally it i think he was even out there i'm like dia chill dude i was like i'm let me get to cruising in altitude and get to wifi before i start figuring out goals i got this thing's just taken off once i get to cruising an altitude i'll let you know the goal so we're kinda getting the cruising altitude i you know i don't know what the goal is i think once i get to the network where i think it could be at that i would start looking at other options but the thing i would say too when as far as business whether it's whiskey merge whatever it is even stand up podcasting i've never done anything for money ever i do it because i love to do it and it's fun for me and it's what i wanna do and if it makes money fantastic man that's great but if it does it all good it's something i wanna do so hopefully this thing goes great and makes a ton of money and i can retire i say retire do less shows but with just more money in the bank but i love doing it that's why i started it so so hopefully you know when we do this show in you know three years or five years i'm talking you guys and we're celebrating some big moment but i couldn't tell you what that looks like and that might be a problem i mean you guys are the business guys is that a problem that i don't have sort some sort of end goal here even though make so i don't think you gotta have an and like what people want like a five year plan and you you're kinda taught this at a young age like hey you're eighteen years old what you gonna major in i dude i don't know i don't know shit about shit yet yeah so people are often pushing for that it's great when you have it so i always say that if you know the direction you wanna go you know the outcome it's great when you have it but the reality is most people don't have it right off the jump and that's totally normal you just gotta get in motion get momentum because as you start going you'll start navigating you'll start you'll get a better vantage point it's like you start climbing them mountain your higher up you could see more and that'll give you a little more but i what i do think helps is a vision for your life so a vision for like what what kind of what do you wanna do with your life your talents or like so for example i might not know oh i'm trying to hit this revenue target i'm trying to sell in x years or whatever but i do usually know man it'd be fucking awesome if dude do what if my job was i'd literally get to sit down with my friend sam and we just shoot the shit about business and if there were millions of people listening to that wouldn't that be cool yeah alright that's literally when i started this podcast it was i was walking around with a friend we had just signed the paperwork to sell my my first company and he was like what do you wanna do next and in silicon valley where i live there's only one answer i'm a start another company it's gonna be bigger and better than the one four that there's only one socially acceptable answer in silicon valley like in hollywood if you're not trying to make it are you doing here and so but i gave him the honest answer i go you know what i think what tim ferris does is awesome it seems like that dude gets to wake up just be curious about shit run experiments learn about things and then he just takes the coolest stuff he learns he he just has to talk about it and a million people have them him in in their ears and he gets to influence a million smart people by sharing little nuggets i got that would be awesome i wanna be in a a million people's ear balls that's just what i kept saying i wanna be at a million people's ear balls he was like dude i never even heard that word but like i he goes he goes that's a like that's like a vision for like what would be an awesome life so i i think that sometimes you don't have to have the number but it is cool to have a man that'd be awesome if my life was x or if i was able to do that due x i remember i remember talking to you guys know justin con justin con so sean actually sold his company to twitch justin cons one of the guys who started twitch you know they sold it for a billion dollars i i i was talking to him backstage one time like two years or three years after the sale we're at an event i was hosting and he was like i was like what are you gonna do next justin and he goes ten billion i wanna go after ten billion and it didn't work it didn't work out for him by way it didn't work out and like he i i remember i read this blog post where he was like i was motivated to like out and do what i did before partially out of like was like it was rage like out of rage and out of like a chip on my shoulder which is actually i think great fuel but like i was in it for the wrong motivations and it and it didn't work out but yep shu and sean has said that i said it differently but he said it better which was a b z which is like i i like to do this all the time i'm like alright step one is a step two is b i don't need to worry about anything else in between that but step z is like the one day maybe maybe one day this becomes a billion dollar company but let's just focus on getting to a million in revenue or let's just focus on like paying the rent and then after that maybe we could hire a handful of people and then i'll figure out the rest but maybe one day it could become this and that's like a fun way to like that's like a fun north star to like help some decision making it's also very motivational you're like i'm doing this for this reason yeah this be pressure it's awful less pressure where you know i and you know i think having that entrepreneur spirit that i was born with from my dad i'm you guys it seems like yes safe to do after been the success you breach you know i never stop us about the roses ever it's always what's next what are we gonna do next and what makes this successful and next thing the next thing and and my sports career and even in comedy i never just stopped and you know smelled the roses i'm constantly ko pushing ko pushing you know i don't know if that leads to happier your life you know i think sometimes he is checking go if you're doing it's all good man if nothing changes your life's pretty freaking great man if you just stayed here if it's all good but i i wish i was more like that you know i i don't know what else i could get that would make me happy i guess if you know if i'd have to fly commercial my life would change that'd be great you know but outside that like things are good private you mean you yeah i yeah have quite commercially yeah i hate flying but well you hey i i see you got the nice nine eleven you got the cool ferraris i mean you got the toys yeah probably and i a nice nice step yeah if you had told ten year old brandon you know some of the stuff you'd be doing some of stuff you'd have you back holy man this is it saying dude good free you made it but i don't feel like on the pod we say a lot of people ask like what advice would you give your twenty one year old self or your your your fifteen year old self and we ask the opposite question like what would our fifteen year old self say to us now if it could look at our life now i'd be like dude you're unhappy look at your shit man like are you joking you got to barely heard you get to do this every day like you better be smiling bro like that's what that's what my teenage self would be telling me right now and that's almost a good reminder it's like like i always say dogs and kids got it figured out and i wanna be more my i wanna learn more and be more like my dog and my kids because dude all day is play everything is good they're happy they're grateful like we get we get things screwed up when we get older and and do you guys have kids i got two little ones yeah i've i a seven and three year old in i don't think i've ever been as happy in my life as my two boys were yesterday to i bought them two bought three lizards i was like man if i could just that level happiness one one time bear did listener one time my life is complete yeah i can't give you a different perspective about things ben you know i might be stressed about work so might come home and that stuff goes out the window you know there's nothing better than being a dad tony robbins if ever i don't know you've ever been been to one of his events or or linkedin no his stuff like most people think oh tony rob i i don't need motivation or that's like a cult thing or whatever i've been a bunch of them and i i find it really really useful it's a good i don't know i'm not very religious so it's a good operating philosophy for life but one of the things he says is he's like you got on one hand the the the sort of the the science of success and that's kinda i think what you've kind of done done well which is whether i'm going into football or fighting or comedy or podcasting or now the business side there's the the science of success is basically like there's an approach to set you know figuring out a target working hard every day making progress like taking it seriously all that stuff and then there's the art of fulfillment and they're unrelated and if you wanna have like the full the the complete life you gotta figure out oh just like i learned the skills of how to be successful i gotta learn the skills of how to be fulfilled and the the magic happens when you sort integrate the tube can you both like create new projects and try to be successful while being fulfilled because what most people do is they go for that success thing mostly from a point of view of like you know try to prove themselves or it's i that's yeah some some insecurity a lot of times out that will drive it no i love that yeah i think yeah for me i i do a pretty good job and trying to stop and smell roses a little bit so i'm doing a better job my kids help me get there and then i think a lot of mistakes that people make whether it's business entertainment you know standard comedian is especially with social media now that's why i'm not a big social media guy is you can always compare yourself somebody doing better so for your friend that made a billy and next thing was ten billing because he saw a guy make ten billion so if your constantly chasing that computer stuff the others that's where the happiness never comes so i try not to compare myself to the others stressing me because my journey is so different than those guys that i look up to so you know my journeys can be different man whatever that looks like and i just have to accept that which i tried to do i was reading something the issue that reminded me of you ran which was i was reading a blog post sam put out this great tweet asking for what's the best blog pressure ever read and one of them was this thing called the the the was it the physics of passion hey he basically goes there's this thing called the c point so he draws this graph he's like as as you do shit and people start to like your work or admire you or love you or become a fan of you you'll it kinda grow steady steady steady and then there's this point he calls it's the ko aid point where it kinda takes off he goes then you're gonna have two groups of people you're gonna have a bunch of people that love you and a few people that hate you he goes what happens is hey he goes he here's how you'll know you're there people accuse your fans of just drinking the ko they love everything you do but side unseen and they're the ko drinkers and that's how you know yeah if you have that could be described is that you've hit the ko aid point you love that the other side you're gonna have people who wanna tear you down and the haters you know quote unquote and and and you know at first they're there they're always a small group but they're kinda loud and some people even support them and be like oh you're you're speaking truth to power you're you're calling like it is you're you're kind of exposing this person or this this brand or whatever it is yep you got both and it so i reading that and anyway i knew we had this pod today and i was like dude he's he's live he's lived that point because yeah you know you have for people who don't know you got a big fan base you got a big anti fan base and the anti fan base i think it's on an on reddit i go to this subreddit bread in a bunch but i'm not like like i it's weird i like you but i also find it funny like they're so clever people so funny but they're also funny in the same way like it's kind of this this double thing i'm curious like for you obviously that's like you know it's probably funny for me because i'm outside of it i'm not the person that the butt of the joke and in some of these cases but you know me and sam got maybe one one hundredth of the like kind of the the passion and hate that you that you have because you've been doing this a long time you've you've made it be big but when i read our youtube comments and i see something like that it stings in the moment but also there's a lot of times i'm like they're not wrong like you know there there there is some truth to where there are they're being a dick about it but there's some truth to where where what they're saying i i could see that i'm curious for you when you when you hear about the the sort of the stuff on the subreddit or you check it out or whatever do you have any moments where you're like alright they're kind of being mean about it or or they're being to dick about it but there's some truth to what they're saying i'm yeah i'm sure you know i don't in all honesty i'd i don't pay attention just do it i think you it's a it's a bad thing where you pay attention to the negativity or the positivity yeah i think you just gotta keep doing your thing you know my heroes grown up didn't live this world you know so it can't be healthy i think we'll find over years how it affects the brain how it affects creative and businessman with who do a pay pay attention that stuff and read the comments and stuff like that so i don't be that sample size i'm not gonna be trying to get that digital ct of comments every day i yeah i already have enough ct man i'm about to buy my porsche off the pc but i think with the red group yeah you it it it's interesting because you know the watch everything you do and there there's there's some things that i'm on board with and then the only there's a small slight group on there who are just evil so there's difference between hate which i get i give you a lot to hate on i do a lot of content i make a lot of jokes i fend a lot of people i get that you don't get to a certain level without giving a lot of haters you just don't if you look at logan paul drake lebron james named some the massive celebrities that we have in this world there and you go online you read their comments or my buddy joe ro nobody no i don't know anybody gets where hate than that guy he gets more in love you know i'm in the business of like so if you watch my podcast you buy ticket it to my stand up you buy the merge she buy the whiskey you're a fan i make a living off like ability so i just don't i don't give the hate energy as far as the ready goes i get it and some of them are really funny and i appreciate those guys whether it's good or bad towards me he gets a little dicey when they they wanna i just i don't understand when they cry when they cross the line it gets into my personal lives right it's like i'm not tom cruise do the fuck he give us the who cares about that stuff you know like god my wife she's been with me since i was in the u so when you're fighting you get a lot of love you get a lot of hate there's no between if you're doing it right so she's conditioned to that she doesn't pay attention minutes she doesn't care you know at this point so thank god for that but the only thing i don't like is when they make it super personal about the kids about you know certain things but you know nobody's harder on on on me than myself you know there's nothing they can say that i don't tell my self you shot a daily basis so trust me it's way worse whatever they're putting out so although i you know i get it i appreciate it and you know i just don't give it energy but i think one of the things that i have going for me is you know i post and ghosts i don't pay attention that stuff but then i'm also you know i'm on the road whatever it is thirty weekends a year i you know if i i get down the center i agree eat coffee i can't go down the street without so ten hey brandon love you man so to that's real that's what i care about social media it's a factor for sure but it's not the end all be all i think when people realize that that one in if you're walking on street one and ten people on social media especially on twitter that you can't give yourself value yourself worth of what social media is you're gonna live a much happier life so that reddit group they're gonna do their thing you know and that comes with the territory and i was built for it that's like god give me big shoulders but right you know i they're gonna clear that they're gonna love that one yeah i i think i was built for it and then also you look you know if you look at me i know you know i probably looked like the guy that bored you in high school they you know they'll use some of that you know i go brendan of bully or whatever and i know i looked like the guy but if they actually knew we know these people know they never met me you know they're not buying tickets us to a show so i don't give it energy because if i did i wouldn't have a business i won't have this house that i'm talking to you guys in right now so you know i think it it it get the lines get blurred where it's like oh he's a big strong guy he's fighting see he can handle this we there's no limits everything's on off limits he she there's nothing off limits we can go as hers as and marijuana it's like it actually hurts my feelings man it's actually not cool you know but i jokes i'm all four i'm all four man professional comment we roast each other we do our things so it's funny it's witty fire away but you start going towards the once once you start going towards the personal side well then you've crossed the boundary you know and now also if you wanna have this conversation person you wanna send me we can do that i can do that we can see how it goes for you that's never happened as long as i've been in entertainment i've never run into anybody that said something my face so i just i get what they're doing if it's funny it's witty and they're gonna do the thing i actually appreciate it when he crossed the boundary and you did you disrespect me a different way you know that that's where i have an issue with it why the issue with it it means that it hurts my feelings i'm not gonna do nothing damn i can beat i'm not the bully you expect me to be then also i think that that subreddit has crossed the point not all of them some of them actually just funny and their fans and they just showed it in different way and i understand that at my age but you know a lot of them have crossed that boundary where you know they hide behind this g board and they wanna do evil things which i just i don't understand that's to me it's like and for what for what because i do stand up you don't have to buy a ticket because i do free podcast podcasts that triggers you right we don't have to watch you know i just i'm just cut from a different class i i'm just a positive person now there's some podcast that will lean into it and if there's beef between comics the the lean into that and they like that that controversy and that drum all the time like it's real house wise of la and i would probably be much more famous so much further along my career i entertain that i just can't do it sometimes i think man i should try that it's just not what i do i don't like being a negative home positive person i enjoy helping people out so you know it's just heavy crown with that stuff ma'am you were you were saying how when you move along brett i apologize no it's good where there a whole you know someone's gonna clip that some haters will clip that hopefully but somehow hopefully that hey pushes us forward somehow but you were talking about moving to la and how that was like a big change you basically like sean and i both lived in san francisco when we started internet companies and like having a crew we were in each other's crew and we had a handful of others where like succeed together that's like the greatest thing ever because that's like it's it's a it's fun and b is actually useful like you get you piggyback off each other and you and you motivate one of another and you actually like you invest in each other whatever it's like practical you're in this school world it's like you bobby lee theo von crystal andrew san andrew schultz is a little bit outside of that but someone inside of that joe rogan yeah you got this like crew and like it doesn't like ten years ago you know there was rogan but there weren't really like a lot of like comedy youtube channels like or podcast podcasts but right now like if i go on my youtube app like it's basically like a theo or brendan shop clip like constantly or like the the clip of bobby lee talk tell story about the donaldson viral clip in comedy podcast his street that it's hilarious yeah it's so funny where he talks about getting molested by a down to your guy it's one of the funniest i mean it it's so like i can't go on without seeing like a funniest bits from whatever like and it's like someone in your crew what's that like behind the scenes like are you guys is this like a like sean and i sometimes when we wanna get like popular an x y and z we're like hey can you like this can you share this yep or hey do you wanna come on my thing you come like it's like it's it's somewhat organized somewhat or or just sharing or just sharing me like you know i'm doing this and it's working like yes you know no what's that like you know what you have like a group text with when you're like hey theo like i've found that like this type of like because you guys and then by the way i don't know if i told you this if you go and look at when we first started m my first million we just bought the same fucking red sofa lounge shares that you had because i love it because i would see those on the i would see those in the thumbnail and i'm like yeah all that red pops like you make it makes you wanna click and i noticed that you and theo particularly you i bet you probably started it you have these like pretty eye catching studios they're they're not like particularly fancy but they're just like they're just like an eye catching and you're changing them constantly and i noticed theo does the same thing he's constantly changing yep the set same with but andrew schultz are you guys like sharing all these tactics like this it's working or like here's how much we're paying for blank or like you guys let's pump each other around this thing yeah you know going back to kind of the the whole like kind of it's it was almost like a team you know and out you know the team captain and all this starts from joe rogan so before i hit the cops but he didn't give a shit about any of busy he just does whatever the fuck he wants in it sometimes it works he does whatever he wants and he's the leader of the pack but he's also the reason why we embrace each other and you know five six years ago seven years ago at the comedy store is the comedy rap pack and we were the we were the rap pack and we were the guys and every show was sold out our names on the marquis and rogan there was a there was kind of you know their structure like we don't tear each other down we support each other's and i heard isaiah thomas say this when he went on my boys podcast all the slope with matt barnes and isaiah thomas said this and it really resonated with me he was on there he's talking about michael jordans and he goes clearly i'm not a black man i don't if guys know this or not but i'm not black but it's actually not that clear by the way you could be if you could fly of dude no yeah if you told me you had a little india it wouldn't be surprised it's not that clear absolutely can't you but earlier when you said denver or buffalo bills didn't want slow white guys i was like yeah so you're in yes so you made the team right yeah you're wait and tell me you're not there in hernandez no but oh so we're with sai oh so where tell me rap pack but no you're saying guys say thomas said something yeah isaiah thomas yeah so i isaiah thomas said this in i saw a clip that matt barnes post and i love those guys i started with a at showtime and they're crushing it but as isaiah thomas they brought up michael jordan and isaiah thomas has issues with michael jordan and matt barnes we'd love to have him on and isaiah is like it's a tough one he does do interviews then isa isaiah said as alumni from the nba as as alumni and you guys are alumni wear this tight pate eternity and not only were a type attorney that we've reached certain levels of the nba and this you know in this lane that we're in but also black men and it is our duty to support each other is our duty to come on the shows and make sure you guys get views make sure people get your name out there that that is something that has we it's our responsibility being in this small group in the small club and back in probably seven years ago you know rogan it was the same thing it is your it is your duty to come on other shows to broaden the audience to bring everybody into these great talents you know whether it's you know back in the day find the kid outside joe rogan find kid was the launch and pad if he goes through it you look at tim dillon the and schultz sci seal von crystal it you look at all the people that came on there and just exploded it now is it because it the final kid audience maybe helped the little because those guys are so goddamn talented and once people saw who they were they out succeeded finding the kid they've got on they've blown the roof off things now but if you look back on finally the kid and i take so much pride and joy that where we have these guys on before they massive and as as isaiah thomas says it is our duty to do that so that resonated with me now this is seven eight years ago even ten years ago when i just first started out we have all these comments on stuff like that and then the pandemic kits the the pandemic kits and the leader of the rap pack leaves joe rogan leaves and the comedy store shuts down tom l shuts down then comm leaves and then joey diaz leaves the tim dillon leaves the theo von leaves and then brian goes through some bullshit me too movement and he has to leave and crystal goes some through some bullshit me too moving chris has to leave and i'm on this island by myself like whoa where's buddy i thought let's alright the troops although were not in la we got a rally let's rally around each other and it broke my heart it broke meant that no those days are over dude you gotta figure it out on your those days are over the days of you know being in the in in the hallways at the comedy store and they improv and the ice house and laugh factories were you know hey podcast them all yeah podcast guess tomorrow those days are gone everyone's they made it everyone's in their lane you gotta figure it out your own now it's weird because you know i common store last night and i just have this it takes me a while i sit in the parking lot for a walk because it just kinda reminds me when i pull up now that i used to pull up and rogan good and pull up in his portion and went park next each other with talk shop about the cars and what's next and then san would pull up and we talked to him in chris deli leah and then brian would pull up and bobby lee and ceo and we'd be in there and they're college it was the best it was it was absolute best and i wish five six seven years ago somebody would tap on the show like hey fellas in two years this is all god you i didn't realize at the moment that that was the golden age and what we're were doing was so special when we took it for granted and i i didn't realize at the time how special it was in in my in my theater where my fish tank are and you like my man cave i've i i've have four pictures from those days i just put them up right you know when they were done five six seven years ago i didn't realize that in in that picture in that frozen moment that was the best time ever for for me as far as just being in that s like team with such a team met yeah there's a special moment you know now we're all everyone's doing well we still talk you our group chats but as far as like you know seeing each other all the time like those days are over med and it's heartbreaking yeah it's it's important to have one of those like pay it forward cultures because it's like that i think silicon valley has that too which which which is does not really that much gate you can go to the most successful richest guide in silicon valley he'll give you time doesn't matter who you are and if you need a favor they'll give you a favor with they'll they'll give you their advice or money or an intro and there's no like pay it back it's all paid it for because they got helped by the person before them and correctly that stayed together now like you said with the pandemic a bunch of people moved out of silicon valley so who knows what will happen now it takes a little longer in our world to to sort of see those effects but i remember when i was in san francisco living in san francisco kind of on the come up me and sam met doing one of these like founder mastermind or we would get dinner for hours and talk like okay what are you doing how's is that going what am i doing how's that going how can we help each other out and it felt like you know in toy story when when they go to that arcade and those little the little minions are are in the machine and it's like the claw and the clock selects one and takes it away and that's like you you know they made it they they got the fame the fortune they got picked but the other minions weren't pulling them down they were like pushing them up like jack's brother go for it you know like you know you you made it out and because it's like that in silicon valley you'll know somebody and they're broke for the four years you know them and then they're worth a hundred fifty million dollars overnight and then you're like you the claw picked you and you won yeah the call god the claw which mark zuckerberg buying your company happened and like it's same thing in entertainment someone hits a breakout point and now they're famous they're you know they made it and there's a question of like does it do you just get left in the dust do you resent people when they're happening or do you you realize that the rising tide lifts all boats and you really wanna be in that rising tide type of yeah in in just a side note in san francisco now pay forward yeah that's great yeah worry about getting stabbed out there but forget starting the tonight well your friends watch back watch your back literally like you got you gotta actually watch you out the back physically week just survived the day so dana ford is karen a gun so your buddy didn't getting stabbed in the neck yeah it's insane you i was gonna ask a a slightly different question but you i saw a few interviews that were cool one it was donald cowboy ser and then chill sun and i think actually michael biz said the same thing where they were talking about like in the locker room before they fight and they're like i think it was chill he's like people think that like we're tough guys and like maybe we we kind of are but like every single time before a fight i think my last one should have been my last one what am i doing i hate this and then like michael biz who's like a cocky dude and like is very confident he was like this is the worst thing ever and i think cowboy sir was like i throw up before every fight i'm so afraid and then you had a really cool thing where you're like i just beat up crow cup so if you don't listen if you don't know anything anybody you have cro cup cop is like one of the the the goats of mma and he's scary as shit like he's like croatian dude but like you think like scary russian robo cup type of guy yeah and you knocked him out and i remember like you said you're like i knocked him out and backstage i wanted to and said like thank you or something or like you know like a good fight and he like had ice on his head and you're like what the fuck am i doing i don't wanna like do this for my life i don't wanna be forty or thirty eight or ever old he was when you when you beat him up but what's that like backstage the fifteen thirty minutes before you're about to go fight into death and you're underwear in front of a million people yeah i think i don't i don't know i was the i might been the one of the first fighters ever say that you know but a lot of guys they wanna give off the persona that oh these warriors it's like gladiator we we can't wait to get out there but i'm telling so and i won't mention names i've seen dudes cry backstage i don't wanna go out there i've seen their coaches slap them like do you have to go out there it's just i i just don't think it's natural you know i think it's level of intelligence so your body and your mind going hey you're about to get hurt do not go out there so the anxieties through the roof and every file i was like what am i doing man i was like so disappointed myself and then once i hit the cage for most of my career i was okay i knew it was time to get out when i would hit the cage and my dude don't get hurt get out of here you had so much more to do in this life you cannot you know suffer concussion we have got to figure this out so you know i think there's truth in honesty for most fighters where it's like it's terrified if to me it was the worst gig in the world there's some the highs are the highest in the world to the peaks are the best the valleys are the lowest there can be in professional sports or maybe in life it's a tough gig man you know so i think the more fighters talk about like hey we're human man and and and it is scary going out there the and i think the more fire talk about the more people can relate to it because most people if you it it's man it's if tonight you're today after this the podcast you go to the coffee shops and you're getting your coffee and somebody guy goes you have some altercation that guy goes hey man tomorrow at one pm you and i fighting here go i guess we had a fight imagine the anxiety you're gonna have that night that morning walked in that coffee shop and that's fighting billy you know from in san francisco who's get you know and fight you over coffee and he probably don't have skills now hai net times a thousand not only do you know exactly when you're gonna get a fist cuff the guy happens be i don't know top ten the world at beamed people up in your underwear and everybody's gonna us see it you know what i'm saying it's human nature to be like this is not healthy dude we've been we this dude this podcast our friends it's been cool to like see some of our friends become worth hundreds of millions or even billion dollars and it's cool because we'll talk to them like just hanging out and they'll be like i have to fire this person and i'm so afraid to do it like i that i haven't done it in like eight months like i'm afraid of the competition and what that does is it like normalize fear and you're like oh therefore i can do it and i remember like thinking about like hub and like dude this guy is like terminator like he doesn't show that much fear and then i saw some of these other tough guys like say like oh no like it's it's miserable i've always wanted like a connor or a like some of the the the most outspoken confident guys i like i wanna hear them say like i'm about to piss my pants because whenever i hear that i'm like that's fucking gold could do anything if this guy's afraid if this guy's afraid which i know they are even if they don't say it i know they are i think there are levels to like it does seem like there are some guys like a beep or something like that where they're like they're more stoic than others but there is like there's always self doubt and i think it's really cool when i see some of these killers like actually say that it it gives me like it oddly gives me hope yeah i think it makes them human i you know i think it would do athletes just so much more in the public eye you know before the super wall or even have to super tom brady be like i'm scared shit list man that defense was good you know i'm i'm terrified to get hit and throw intercept and fail i just think more people would relate to it because never were there ever any athletes that you know of or hung out with mma guys or boxer where they were built different where the like this person's looking forward to a fight or do you think unilaterally it was no there there's there's people where you know ignorance is bliss right you know it's like there there's guys i trained with and i i'd be a two weeks out from the fight you know and the camps taylor down i'm like man the fights in two weeks man center age the guys are got no excited right like no dude this is terrible but dates just there's certain guys where they live for you know there's guys like the the dia brothers even though they said that they hate fighting i think there's some guy like a cane glass there's certain guys that just thrive in that just engage who they just they just love the violence they just there's nothing they were just born warriors you know they're not thinking about businesses or you know ten years down the road or fifteen years down the road it's just they were meant to do this and god bless them you need people like that god bless them even if you're not in into u if you're listening to this go and look up just engaged post fight michael chandler on youtube he says this amazing thing he goes i was born in the wrong era i should have been a gladiator so i could kill this person in front of all of you because that's what i'm built to do and that's what i love i'm here to fight to the death and i heard that and i'm like there's there's two different types of humans i'm one and he's the other yeah this is crazy true and i think you know i i think for me it came a realization because i've known justin engaged since she in college i used to go up to you university northern colorado and wrestle to get ready for my usc fight so i saw just at a young age she's he's always been like that and again when i'd be in the lock rooms or we'd be in the training camps and those guys would talk like that you know don't get wrong i'm built like a warrior like you would look at me and i think that's one the reasons i get hate from these guys i think it's okay to treat me the way that i that they do because you know i look like you're gladiator eat on i'm this big dude with tattoos and cauliflower ears but really push come to shove i'm guy behind going they're like not to feel like i don't wanna be in the front fucking lines man that's not what i wanna do you know so i so i get the treatment of these warriors but really i'm the guy the back playing the t bone holding the flag you know making sure i look good one of our sean and i talked about this after rose nam uni this u fighter she like before the fight you see saying i'm the best i'm the best i'm the best and it doesn't matter if you like you you're not it makes you cry because you're just like there's so much like you have to talk yourself up to this and it's just so like motivational inspiring cute i don't know what you wanna call it but it's awesome it's like one of my favorite moments of seeing her say that and then afterwards joe goes i saw you saying you're the best what's up with that and she goes because i am the best and you like her convincing herself yeah that she's the best so much self doubt and she's just like no you're the best and because in each i'm assuming she worked with a mental coach which i did too when i was fighting and work with these high level totally tell you that you fight the negative thought in your head with a positive and you stayed it out loud such sure freaking trying to keep the the demons at the door go on i'm the best i'm best you know i love about this podcast i is usually when people bring up fighting and for me it's a nightmare it's bad nightmare like especially if i if i'm doing a a show outside like whether it's comedy central if it's a tv show to talk fighting usually they have no clue about u like even you brought bros you brought up justin ga and the michael chandler stuff like thank god and you guys have an insight into the u like current u world all these some shows and like so what you take on chocolate dillon for and take ga i think that's still gonna have dude they have alzheimer's there they're not ready anymore like i was juan rad mac mcgregor doing yeah yeah oh man we're super fans that's why that's why it's cool to hang out with you we've had we've talked i've talked to michael biz ben aspirin we've had ariel h your boy i know you guys had you guys had a spat we've had who else a bunch of people in that world it it's always fun to talk to you guys because like even though like the intensity level that you're doing it's like literally life and debt starting a business is like a percentage of that but it's like i can't do this i'm freaking out i don't know how to do this like you constantly feel like you theory oh there's similarities with all of it with all of it whether you're you fighter or your entrepreneur there's similarities where you bake on yourself and it's on you and the pizza of valleys are insane either way those there's takeaways from both sides you know there's they're definitely overlap you know you mentioned era hawaii right and i there's that and i think it's a a fan thing you know i've had spat with over the years it's just gonna happen i really entertain it but i have no an towards aerial you'd all do interviews whether whatever it is all so you and data don't like each other no i have no adam i i i don't dislike anybody you know i i think that might be one of the reasons too why the haters they can't stand it because they they want that they want that drama they want them to feed off they call it feeding the trolls i just don't entertain that i think that is you know upsets them it's just not what i do so when aero airline were having everything thing man i i made a mistake i was on the fight campaign i said some things i shouldn't have said he was rightfully so to get upset so he'd why show and did his thing all good man that's how it goes you know i take accountability there that's on me but the arrow is the best journalist we have i listen to a show you know i have no issues with ariel with dana man i if anything i price should be given dana at ten percent because when he made that deal with re boxed it you know at the time i was a young man at the time i took it personal i thought it was a hit against me and it put a chip on i'm when i say chip out entire pringles in one stole and what you're talking about is before you could put any logo you want then he made a deal with re bak and it's just they are the guys yeah i lost you know probably a hundred thousand dollars of fight and you know and i took it personal but being a business owner now dana was at made when the re robot deal came at man how this gonna affect brendan sc now dude i'm one of the you know i'm one of the elephants and the circus you gotta do what's great for all the elephants not just me so i was you know you a buy standard and the casualty of that deal just didn't work out my favorites but that pushed me faster into what i was supposed to be doing so dame you helped me out i have zero suit dana huge fan huge fan but i think fans some people for the reason they can't get over that it's like well no he screwed you over and look and you have to retire and he did this i'm like no he did me a favor guys that was twelve years ago it's all good he's doing great he's much more money than god i'm doing pretty good at zero if he called me today i was like hey man we need to do this no doubt i'll hope you out no problem well did you the man you i said earlier that we had rob on and he like i knew rob grown up as a skater and then he came on and he like just surprised us so much i think his his video has hundreds of thousands of views that when we did with him which is good for us and you're kinda in that category where you're where i'm like i had good expectations because i listened to you a lot but you're a lot more insightful than i thought and i thought you were pretty insightful and and you're you're just a good guess maybe next time you'll have a better setup up instead of just being on your iphone yeah here's yeah so here here here's the thing about that so i don't own a computer my company like fig boy network has whatever twelve fifteen computers i'm i'm like that anti i'm the anti kind of technology guy i don't like it seems that seems good for a internet company owner i know right mark yeah can you tell me to fail by next so so yeah we did the same with a the there's a guy mark lori who bought the timber wolves he he he's a like famous entrepreneur he's a billionaire and he came on he was doing the same thing he's like he's just good guys he put his iphone on a chair on top of his dining table yelling danny he stood up and he's talked and we were like do you he use your computer i don't i don't know a computer and we were like it hits different when a billionaire says it it's i and you know somebody else says that you're decide man what sc and then you your him saying you're like this guy knows this guy knows how to live yeah got he's not block says he's fucking computer he says because like he's got a person you know he's got people you know what i'm saying he's like i have computers but i have humans yeah no i i owe you guys next time we do this i'll do it out voice dude was usually every wisdom dumb i'm in studio but today because yesterday i did three podcasts in a row the a two hour meeting for this new project i'm doing so i started at seven thirty am and then by the time i done with that meeting i was i was home around five when bought my kids lizards cook fed them dinner went put them to bed then rushed over the comedy store and i got home at twelve thirty last night so today is my first off day don't know how long and then tomorrow on tornado atlanta thursday friday saturday in atlanta doing shows so usually i'm always in studio and i have the team set up so it looks professional so i owe you guys i owe you guys but i i hate electric cars i think they're disaster i don't like electric cars i don't like iphones i'm about to switch to flip phone i just i don't i just don't subscribe to it med man i don't think it's healthy let's add a couple zeros to your net worth and then we'll call it cool but tell them we're not call like a cool you're a fucking caveman band you're a k band but like maybe maybe maybe just decide i'll at a few zeros and we'll call you a genius but until then you're you're in ne yeah yeah until then i'm just this broke guy do on a typhoon phone well dude thank you doing this you're amazing and we and we we appreciate it thanks you're coming on besides my setup just got sad saas at the end alright that's the episode