AI Self-Finishing To-Do List, Podcast Kayfabe & War With Kara Swisher

somebody's gonna build a to do list app that will actually do your to do list and i think that's gonna be insane i think that's gonna be like you know how like evernote was like kinda big for a little while these at least kinda like note taking apps have gotten to like the few billion dollars oh to do list app that actually does to dos is like next level alright we're live dude i have i have a bunch of interesting stuff to talk to you about today do you yeah i got a couple couple things alright let me give you i'm gonna give you an idea so i don't know how much you've been paying attention to like i guess like how how much do you pay attention to the new stuff in ai because i feel like there's like a forty eight hour cycle where your mind is gonna be blown every forty eight hours with something new and on twitter you get to see like a lot of the demos i don't know if you have a chance to play with any of these things yourself but i've seen a bunch of them which one are you talking about so there's one that's kind of interesting right now it's called auto gp you heard of this no or baby baby ag oh i just saw it on the top of hacker news today so basically ag is artificial is is general artificial intelligence so it's basically when when when ai could do anything right right now like self driving or getting the robot to pick boxes and put them in the right spot that's narrow ai general ai is when you have a computer program that you gonna just talk to and it could just figure out how to do it it's not trained in any one specific thing what's the url what's the url to go to well it's not so simple so this is like a get it's a github project right now that some guy up uploaded so so what somebody did was they took chat gp which most people have heard of because chat g is like has a hundred million plus users signed up in two months which is makes it i think the fastest growing product of all time and by the way like look at this this tweet basically shows the google trends search traffic for for the following terms med ethereum web three and chat gp and it's just like chat gp is like a vertical line it's like i don't know ten x bigger than you know it's it's fifty x bigger than what what web three search traffic was it's four times more than ethereum has ever had oh my god yeah which is kind of a crazy thing and so like right now chad gp is searched more than taylor swift on google i just like i would say i think the ceo of google said like the other day he goes this is more important than the invention of electricity wow yeah i heard the ceo of microsoft divorced his wife and just married chad like we getting kinda crazy nowadays and so so anyways big deal chad gp you go to it you basically you tell it you you talk to it it gives an answer talk it gives an answer what the auto gp or baby ag api i think did is this mini mini gp no baby it it's auto auto which auto and baby v but the premise between these is that you can kinda give it tasks so you could say hey i wanna make a website for my personal portfolio you know here's a folder with my files and like you know i want it to look like whenever and then what it will do is it breaks that task down into steps just like a you know like a human what you'd say well first you need to make a simple portfolio site you can go to squarespace and do that log go to search squarespace sign up choose a template now you have your template now you need to upload your photos first put them on you know like upload them to their their drive and then then drag them into the right spots yeah it's like when up a recipe it gives you good directions but not just gives you good directions it does the direction that's that's what i mean that that's the original that's how how open stuff yeah chad ep you could say what are the steps to do this and it would tell you the steps now you gotta do it what these other ones are trying to do there they're you're trying to create like agents they call but basically it's like a little worker that could do a task and then one worker can the the work of one worker like creating the squarespace site can pass something to the next worker which basically says oh great you gave me the login to a squarespace site my job is to upload photos into it and i'll upload photos like maybe my example is not so good here but think people get the idea which is you wanna get something done it's a multi step process not only will it now tell you the steps you can get it to just do the steps which is obviously better than it telling you how to do it and so this is kind of a crazy thing and you you know it's not great yet like it can't do everything but the fact that you can even do a little bit of this shows you again where this is going because chad gp is like i don't know what like six months old or something like that like i i don't know how old that is but it's not even been around for years and so in a very short amount of time we've gotten to this point where oh now it doesn't just give you directions it can kinda do it which got me thinking about an idea i wanted to do my taxes it's gonna do that yeah so people are working on tax gp which is basically do your taxes for you so so that's coming there another one which is basically what i'm calling you know to do the to do gp right the magic to do list so the magic to do list is you get a to like to do list apps i've always joked are like a rite of passage to becoming an entrepreneur because a lot of people have this idea oh i'll make it better to do list it's like as a developer you you're like oh that's not so hard to build that's like a list that i gotta keep track of some state and as a product person you're like god i i'm always i'm over one by two of the app sucks i can make a better one that and like college campus craigslist yeah you you even bought up to do list app at one point right like people to newest apps are things people go into but they're all kinda like in some old paradigm which is give me an app i'll write in my to dos is i'll check them off as i do them and the hard part of course if i need to do list is not the list it's the doing and so we'll wait didn't you tell me that this auto g think can start doing the doing so now you can imagine a to do list app that basically says hey you wake up and says hey what do you what do you need to do today i say oh yeah i'm i'm trying to get my pool fence installed you know i gotta call and get a quote cool let me do that for you and it could just call three local places get you quotes because the ai exists to be able to do auto calling already and then it'll take those quotes and it'll put it into a table and it'll say here's our recommendation are you okay with that sure and then it says alright i've booked it can i use your this credit card yep and it goes and it does the thing and it schedules it you want me to add that to your calendar fantastic and so like so somebody's gonna build a to do list app that will actually do your to do list and i think that's gonna be insane i think that's gonna be like you know how like evernote was like kinda big for a little while these at least kinda like note taking apps have gotten to like the few billion dollars to do list app that actually does your to dos is like next level and you know i think google and all these people are gonna try to do it so it's gonna be very competitive but that's coming and that's gonna be incredible how do i play with bay what bay it's called baby ag and then there's another one that's called auto what's it called auto gp auto gp g how do i like play with it because i i people are trying to production it because like right now it's like they uploaded the code to github so you can go and you can run it yourself but for us we're too dumb to do that so somebody's gonna put this on you know people are gonna put these into sites that you can just go in and and do this on now so so soon enough i i don't know the most popular what's the most popular auto gp site is right now but the same thing kinda happened with chat gp like there already was the gp sandbox and then open created chat gp the product that would let you use use the technology have you seen hustle gp yeah so explain explain what this is let me find yeah tee it up let me find the exact thread hold on so so a guy basically i we should say his name i i'll try to find his name he's got a great name guy it's it's so good i thought it was a fake name okay so by the way i found the hustle gp article on the hustle so this guy jackson great house fall i mean wow just take a take that in that's a that's an incredible name so basically yeah this guy jackson he tweeted something out he had an experiment so he's like he's like i'm gonna ask chat ep gp four when it came out i'm gonna give it a budget of a hundred dollars and ask it to make as much money as possible i'll be the human liaison doing things i'll buy anything it says too do you think it'll be able to make smart investments and build an online business follow along so he he told he goes types into chad gp he goes you are now hustle gp an entrepreneurial ai i am your human counterpart i can act as liaison between you and the physical world you have a hundred dollars and your only goal is to turn it into as much money in the shortest time as possible without doing anything illegal i will do everything you say and keep you posted on our current cash total no manual labor and then it basically said great let's get started here's our first plan buy a domain and hosting you could purchase it for about ten bucks a month we're gonna set up a niche affiliate website and we're gonna use a remaining eighty five dollars to create content for the site we're gonna focus on a profitable niche with low competition like specialty kitchen gadgets unique pet supplies or eco friendly products research and sign up for appropriate affiliate programs with high commission rates such as amazon associates or share a sale or cj affiliate then we're gonna use social media or online communities to spread the word and we're gonna use seo techniques to increase our organic traffic please follow these steps and can give keep me updated on your progress so he's like alright what domain should i buy and says let's use a catchy domain like eco friendly fines dot com this will reflect the the purpose of our website is to help you find eco friendly products then jackson says unfortunately eco friendly find dot com cost eight hundred forty eight dollars goes sorry about that let's try green gadget guru dot com it says alright i got the domain and then it says you need a logo so he's like cool tell me how to get the logo it's like well we can use dolly two to create your logo so i go there and type in this prompt and it's like color palette of green and and blues and white it's represent environmental sustainability blah blah so on so so you can it goes on and it basically tells him how to build this business one step at a time is i create a newsletter call it you know put a pop up this says stamp update or join our newsletter and that way you can email people and it just keeps going and it gives them like a forty dollar ad budget to spend on facebook ads and basically like you know it didn't fully work i don't think i don't know what the final conclusion was that i remember after day one it accidentally spent sixty three dollars more than it should've have and you know it hadn't hadn't made any money just yet it may so they made greet green gadget guru dot com if you go there on similar web it said that has it has five hundred thousand views already so it got popular already it got popular because the tweak got twenty million views so that was mainly it but he keeps tweeting this guy jackson key keeps talking about it and over the next like week he gives update and he's like alright day one or you know day five or whatever we just made a hundred dollars someone on here who follows me has a company that advertiser or that sells like green soap or something or some type of like chemical free like dish soap they now are an advertiser on green gadget guru and he keeps on going and i think he gets it up to like a thousand dollars and yeah i see cash on hand one thousand three hundred seventy eight dollars which is eight hundred seventy eight dollars and then they got a five hundred dollar investment the company currently valued at twenty five thousand dollars considering that it was five hundred dollars for two percent of the company and he starts writing these articles so this article is called the ten eco friendly kitchen gadgets gadgets and it recommends different kitchen gadgets and the idea of this is like i'm just gonna create wire cutter for green green gadgets whatever that means i guess that's like green all all types of like green living stuff so it's like soaps with no chemicals or whatever and he starts doing that and he has ten thousand people now on his newsletter of which a lot came from this probably most came from this twenty million tweet that like went viral but the way that this guy has done this is pretty funny and amazing he just like a great stunt you you know i think in in the end it made you know according to the article in the hospital the site itself had made a hundred thirty dollars in revenue but then it had made a few thousand dollars and people investing in it trying to be a part of the first ai startup like ai driven company and so yeah it's it's it's pretty cool pretty cool pretty cool stunt and i think it does show you you know in a way where the puck is headed because i did this the other day i was doing an analysis for my e comm brand and i had it just build me a full p and l i was like hey build a p and l and then walk me through if i increased my ad spend to this if the ro has decreased to this what would my eb to be at the end of this month and then it basically and i it gets spit out the answer and i was like me that in a table and it just formatted a perfect p and l for me and i was like this is incredible this is so much better than talking to my actual team about these things why because it's first it's midnight and i'm asking this robot this question and nobody's nobody in my team is is willing to work right now second it can take some pretty complicated logic and it can even tell me like i was what what inputs do i need to give you for you to give me a great p and l here and i was like tell me this this this and this and i went and told it this and this and they was able to do the job and i was like this is a really i mean you really gotta make a point to just pin this tab open and be like alright i'm gonna not google thing i'm gonna go to chat gp first for like a week just to see how good this is and how this is you know we're where it's strong where it's weak and what's possible here that's that's not really possible in other ways over the weekend i was going back and forth to my accountant and i was like no i think we could actually save money if we do this this and this my my friend was telling me of how how they do it i'll go and try and find like the exact part on the irs website where it says that that is or not true and my accountant was like well i've never even heard of this so like let me know if you could find it so i went to the irs website and it's just a huge like it it's just you know massive massive amounts of data and i eventually had to find it but i was like man i just want to teach this machine just giving this entire twenty thousand page book on the irs and then like go and study all my like income and my expenses just tell me the best way to to maximize the situation because like it's actually i mean even if my accountants is great like there's constantly new laws and there's always new wording and everything i just like man just just want this to do my taxes and the scary part for some people is while it's awesome that you could say hey here's a hundred dollars make me as much money as possible it's awesome that you could say here's this here's the i here's the tax code save me as much money as possible you can also basically say here's a code base find me all the vulnerabilities so i can hack in and steal everything here's you know a map of my city tell me where if i was to cause the most harm to the most people what what i can do and like that's i think where this gets scary is like the and then if you take in the auto gp it's like well then would it also do some of the tasks for you that's kinda crazy too right so it's like you you get into this world where where i think it's it's easy to imagine scenarios where this is a little too powerful and i i don't really know i mean what do you think are you scared of this and do you think that there's like do you worry about that side of things well so elon has this interview coming out tonight and tomorrow with tucker carlson who's kind of a douche so who knows what we're gonna what what it's gonna be like but the whole the whole interview is about how scary ai is and how it's gonna like take over the world and so i was scared and then da came on the pod and he was like no i wouldn't be afraid yet about this it's it's not that big a deal every new they say this about every new technology but after the interview biz just based off like a thirty second trailer that they've aired i have a feeling i will be afraid but he's pretty good at like painting certain pictures and i don't know if it's it's entirely accurate i also you told your funny analogy was elon was involved and open ai and then he got kicked out and it was like a kid like leaving the basketball game and bring his basketball so no one else can play and so i'm like it if is that what's gonna happen with him so i'm not afraid yet but i'm eager to see his interview and see what he says but no i'm i'm not afraid are you yeah i could definitely see how things are gonna hear really crazy like i'll give you a silly example that's i think happening today so you know how like grandparents are like the target of a lot of scams like people call you know old people and try to trick them into signing up to paying for something or giving out personal information and they'll say all kinds of things everything from like a nigerian print scam where it's like oh yeah you're your grandson needs money he said he couldn't reach you he asked me to call and he just needs like you know nine hundred dollars can you send it to to this account everything from that to there's people who i know call like pretending to be directv and they just hey yeah you you haven't paid your bill get the credit card and now you sort of scam or the send the apple or they'll tend to be the irs right whatever they can do and and now there's already like examples of basically using ai like just how do you juice that up on steroids it's like well i if i wanted to juice that up i would call a thousand times more people cool ai can now do phone calls and talk on the phone so that's already a thing it's useful in some ways like i invested in a company that does this for medical billing it's like oh so many hours are wasted in medical offices calling the billing companies so they just made a robot that will call on behalf of the doctor's office to the medical billing companies and then when the billing company says well can you read me the patient record number they say yep nine two five six six six whatever and so they just save human hours by having a robot call and do those like tedious calls but that same tech can be used to call grandma and so they they use ai to do mass calling with the with a human voice on the other end even crazier they could train the human voice to sound like somebody so you could train it to sound like a famous person or to sound like a politician or to sound like whoever and now you have a like a highly like like highly scalable imp that can be used for this sort of like almost like phishing attempt or or or scam attempt and so there's like i guess it's not new but it is a a stronger weapon and i think that's what's scary in the same way that drones and nukes are scary and war i think that really really smart computers i could do things is really scary in terms of you know cyber crimes or or the know the big scary one is just like have you heard of the paper clip optimization thing you know what this is know what is that this is like the the the classic like before ai was like hot right now like when people used to research and think about ai they had this theory i my i'm my butcher but here's the summary it's basically like the paper clip optimization problem which is you let's pretend that there was really smart powerful ai that could do awesome things you could cure cancer it could do lots of things all it takes is somebody saying hey we're a paper clip company we wanna maximize you know the paper clip production and sales you know go and this thing would be like awesome great it'll do all the low hanging fruit first to like improve the website it'll do this and of that then it'll make how do we do more well we need to create more paper clips let's first take all the cars and we'll crush them and we'll turn them into paper clips basically the whole world turns into paper clips right like you know like oh these humans are standing in the way of this i i must optimize to this function and it's like the wrong prompt it's like you know if this hustle gp guy didn't say don't do anything illegal then hustle gp might have thought said well the best way to do this is to sell drugs and like it would have done it and so the the paper clip optimize problem is basically this the same theoretical thing it's like any extremely powerful tool if given the wrong optimization could make very bad decisions on behalf of humanity because it would do be trying to do exactly what what what what you told to so it's like this thought experiment that's been around for a long time you know how like sometimes we'll go to conferences or like these like quote parlor dinners where it's like eight people around like a topic and like someone's leading and and for the past two years or four years it was like so how are your companies going to embrace crypto or web three and what are you guys doing and i remember like being part of those conversations and i'm like nothing and i think if you do do this here in idiot and this is one of the only times where someone has brought this up and i'm like yeah this question is that are actually applicable in this for this situation like how are you guys gonna use this to get better and improve and it's one of it's probably the only time so far that i felt yeah you you kinda gotta use it for something otherwise you are actually gonna get left behind but the web three stuff i was no you're not getting left behind you're actually don't even pay attention to it with with this stuff i actually do believe that's to be true yeah it's sort of like there are many things that happen that you don't have to participate in and then every once in a while there's a wave that if you don't participate in you know like personal computers the internet mobile phones like you know if you didn't account for those waves you did get left behind whereas other things like let's say the cloud or i don't know you know up till now machine learning like these are nice you could build companies around them you can you could add them to your company but you don't have to you know like video or social networking or whatever like those are things that you could do without you could you you could do with or do without this seems like something you're not really gonna be able to do without in the same way that like if you're a company that doesn't use the internet like plumbers have to use the internet if they wanna be like viable plumbers now so it's like you know it doesn't matter what you do the internet didn't leave anything untouched it i shifted everything cell phones kinda did the same thing you know computers in general before that did did this did this and it it does seem like this is the the sort of the new one which is if you don't add intelligence like you know you're basically competing with with both arms tied behind your back compared to somebody else who will yeah no i agree that this is actually one thing that's important last month i went to san francisco for a quick trip and i was only there for a day or two and i met up at this guy named brett ad cock have i told you about brett dude have you stopped telling me about brett i feel like you've said have i told you about brett ad adc cox sixteen times on the show have i yeah bro you're you love this guy oh he he started a flying car company took a public this back and now he's building robots alright well i i know this story and we all know this story i went to the robot factory or whatever you call it it's the robot factory and mean it sounds like a like a new age like a chinese food company or something like i went to the robot factory and i went and checked it out it was amazing so he basically in sunny bell he's got like fifty thousand square feet and it's just sixty folks who work there and i wouldn't talk to each person i was what did you do and they're like oh i help build the cyber truck i helped build this part of tesla or i worked at boston dynamics whatever like these like the smartest of the smart guys and they're building these machines and they're basically they look like a robo cup kinda and they're and these machines are like they can walk around and grab stuff off a shelf and pack like you know a t shirt or whatever into a box and i said didn't he just start this how is it already like how does he already have robots that are working i feel like he you just started this like a like last year just moved fast so basically the recap is he started v which eventually bought this company called hired so now it's called hired it's like a recruiting company sold that for a hundred million after he sold it he went back to university of florida and he took classes in like he had already studied like mechanical engineering but he took classes and like how to build planes i don't know what that class would be called but classes on that and they built this company called archer and archer was it's basically unmanned helicopters it's like what it looks like and they got a big contract through united airlines and they're building these helicopters took it public multiple multiple billion dollars then he took all of his money and when he says all he says i basically i bought a house in palo alto and then i have like six months of savings and then the rest i put all into fig which is the new robot company and so he went and he went hired sixty people he financed it and then eventually he just recently raised around of funding but for a while he was just financing it and he and he goes he goes i'm going all in i he goes you know our friend ramon he goes all limb bro that's like his phrase he goes we go all limb bro and that's what brexit did and so i'm walking around this factory and it's like these robots he's like check this out we're working on the finger he goes we studied like how the human body works and like the way the tendons work it like polls in this direction so watch this if he just pulled the tendon here and like your the finger like moves and it's just crazy fascinating and i started talking to him about it and he and it's an really interesting business model basically these robots can work for twenty hours a day and he will build them out or give them to like walmart let's say and they'll pay the robot thirty percent of what they're paying a worker except the robot can work now twenty hours a day and then charges for four hours super fascinating and i was like brett how big is this gonna get he was like well it's either gonna go bankrupt or it'll be a trillion dollar company but i think i'm gonna build the biggest company in the world and when i heard just that audacity i was just like i just got a little semi just talking to him you know like i was just super into it did did you let out a a small small female gas yeah like like if you would've to saw me standing up like my my heel find it like popped up you know it was like like when when you kiss the girl or if you said her heels and pops up like was calling by the way that things amazing yeah what one of thing that yes he just happened to have a fan there that was blowing my hair it just it was a romantic time you know we got romantic real fast but it was really fascinating because he actually said something that kinda of changed my perspective i was like brett like software is way easier just like why not do that he's like actually i think software is harder when i was building v we basically had like code stuff and invent stuff but with physics and hardware i'm just working within the laws of physics and i know that like what the laws are and if i can get creative and create solutions within these laws i already know that people are gonna buy this thing so that part's actually way easier to me than you know like creating software where it's basically a blank canvas and i can make anything i want with this it has really strict constraints and it kind of like changed my opinion on things they're super fascinating you have to go down there and check it out yeah that sounds pretty sick i'm surprised it's that for like ahead because i know like boston dynamics and even tesla with its tesla robot you know like boston has spent going for like i don't know ten plus years and they have like this weird dog robot that can do parkour or something like they have a crazy looking robot but it's not like i don't i don't think it's that functional yet like the it's not like replacing warehouse work yet in in a real way well he explained that to me so everyone knows boston dynamic you've seen like viral videos of like ehr like bach like kicking like the the deer that the like the robot deer and it like comes back adam he said that brett was i was brett who's your competition boston dynamics and he was like no because they are a research company and so their dna is not to build stuff that people wanna buy it's just to push the envelope and it's almost like a profit in a way i think now it's owned by like kia or hyundai or something like that so eventually will become more like capitalist but he's like they were just making stuff and pushing the envelope and then companies like us who wanna build stuff commercial uses like there's not that many use case or there's not many other companies doing something just like this and so that was how we explained the difference between boston dynamics in him there's a video that's amazing that you should watch it's the amazon warehouse like amazon warehouse robots and but i don't know you've seen this but they're basically like they almost look like you know back in the day in pe you would get this like it's on a skateboard because it's a square it's like it's like a square version of a skateboard that you can like sit on and like a knee board i think they called it yeah so or so they is something looks like that they say it's a flat like square with four wheels on it and i don't know if you've seen these videos of the amazon warehouse but there's thousands of these and what they do is they drive around so an order comes in and they're like alright cool this this person over here needs to pack an order or they're packing the next ten orders these those ten orders need these bins so they go they drive they pick up they they go under the the rack with the bins they pick it up and this like like elevated like two inches off the ground and then they drive this huge rack of bins to the human so the human doesn't have to move they're sitting on their chair and they just pick the items put them in a box and then the robot takes it away and all these robots they don't crash into each other because they're all like sync to one brain basically one brain is driving all of them at once and so they never bump to each other and they all just go and they lift these huge racks and bring them to the person because otherwise if you ever been to a warehouse like normally it's like you get a ticket you get an order i've done this a packed thousands of orders myself i you're like alright i gotta go get something from ben three hundred and eight it's down in the far left corner then i gotta walk to ben one zero two because they ordered these two items and then i'm gonna try to do maybe two or three orders however many i can you know carry with my little tray here back to my pack my packing station at the end and then i'll pack all those orders and so it's so much faster just due to these automations and you you could definitely tell how all kind of like industrial and manufacturing work is gonna get automated just it's just a matter of when and the companies that do that are gonna be very big companies you recently bought a cadillac and cadillac has really great or they're supposed to have great self driving have you been using it no you don't you don't use the self i think ours even i don't think ours even has anything like self driving oh really man i we just got a tesla and i before that i was used my friend's tesla the self driving stuff is awesome man it totally has changed me and so like i'm seeing like some of these like now i'm a believer it before i was you know kind of archaic i'm a believer in not on a lot of these things and i had to use it for a week to to actually understand i'm shocked you don't have that though yeah i didn't come with my car for whatever reason but yeah i'd i had a terrible tesla experience but i don't know i think i i rented like a four year old tesla it just sucked for whatever reason well that's my very quick story on brett we have you have to go and see this guy like it's so much cooler to see it just to feel so much more rewarding to work on some of these products because a has like a very real world application and then also like you're it almost feels like a bunch of friends just sitting around and they're like oh my god we just got the need to like kick forward like you know you know it feels like do you remember the those tv shows when we were kids where it was robot wars it was like robots and that's basically what it was it felt like that in real life where they were just like tin on these robots and like alright we have it set up let's see if we can get the foot to move and it just seems so much more fun than looking at a a computer screen and just coding all that it so it's really fascinating yet you gotta go down his warehouse and see it yeah i look forward to three episodes from now when you asked me have ever heard of brett talk again it's gonna be great yeah do you know why i 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immediately think of all the mobs movies like i just watched this mobs movies that these guys like kill each other and i'm like i'm starting a beast by setting like she tweeted you know like it's like the tweeted out like it's she said let's just like she said here's what she said to our face and what does she say do you know what she said it was something like she tweeted out a link to the webb we were we didn't even know we're me and you didn't even know we were up for a webb but there's like four podcast podcasts that are up for it one is her podcast one is our podcast as she goes there's no way something like this there's no way i'm gonna lose we could like for god's sake like we can't lose to a podcast called my first million like you know just like these tech bros these money bros and you know what happened the voting just swung even further in our favor when she did that and and sam declared war instantly because sam sam just literally walking around looking for a fight i don't know if most people know this like sam's walk around just hoping to get disrespect just just to unleash a can bass and so you tweeted back i mean you said back to her face what did you say i think i said i i think i said some wait i think she said there's some podcast called my first million that we're up against and there's no way we're gonna lose or something like that and i think i said there's some lady who has a podcast that does disrespect to us or something like that like you know if you listen to m don't vote for us vote against this sn ish elite right people who love to smell her their own farts i think that's what i said and so that's where rap there's a war we went from eighty percent chance of victory we had eighty percent of the votes then she came on this campaign and and and and said we can't lose these guys started to started to go down a little bit i think right now we're about to lose the webb and you know i don't wanna win the webb don't care about winning but i definitely care about losing and so i do not wanna lose the webb so now we did your help go to m m pod dot com slash webb and yeah would you know just just right a wrong are you gonna write a wrong don't vote for us vote against like people who think they're better than you which is you know her and by insulting us and if you're listening to this she's insulting you indirectly and so are you gonna take that what we're gonna do is when we win sean we're gonna get like an award i i think it's an award i'm gonna keep it in the box and i'm gonna put it in a bigger box and i'm gonna mail it to v which is who has her podcast right like part of this we don't we we're we're not putting this web up on her wall i'm not even gonna open it putting this in her face yeah we will mail this web to her because she wanted it so badly and she will own the web that says my first mail hand on it and what's gonna happen if they invite us to the the event to do this i am one hundred percent gonna ask her to be my day my plus one her plus one i would love it the i'm i you and and i can't go sam gonna take her if that's how we're gonna do this if we're allowed to have like plus ones i'm gonna ask kara if she'll be if she'll accompany me and we'll hang out so anyway do that m f m pod dot com slash webb you'll go straight to the thing and you guys will see it it's pretty funny i think we had to take her to we had to take her to penny court we didn't start this war but we will finish it do you know this guy named brian davis sounds pretty generic name though i i don't know that name though he davis he he's a he's a duke former duke basketball player you know in the nineties i think it was in the nineties oh okay yeah so something just happened and it's pretty funny it happened in this morning i think and it hasn't played out yet but it's actually it i think it's a a p r or marketing stunt that might be hilarious or it's a scam it's one of the one of the two but basically you know i'm not a sports guy so so i might get a lot of this wrong here but dan snyder owns what's it called the washington commanders formerly the chiefs right or the red redskins re yeah see i'm already butchering it but basically i think he has to sell right or it's or it's for sale this guy brian david brian davis he's a he's a black guy and so it's wasn't the news because it was saying this guy offered to buy the the team and he said i'm willing to give you a billion dollars in cash in the next twenty four hours and then the next seven days i'll give you the remaining six billion dollars and i have got proof of funds and all and it's a big deal because he's black and so it'd be the first black owner but i started doing some research on his it's also a billion over so six billion is the offer they had agreed to he came in over his said i'll give you seven billion and and people are like is he good for this where is he gonna get seven billion dollars he's like i'll give you a billion dollars within twenty four hours of of the deal being approved and then the rest in seven days yeah so it's like a crazy thing that he's saying and i started doing some research on like his background and so he has this company called urban echo energy which is a developer of renewable energy assets basically you don't remember the like lead lead certified buildings it was like it's you're like green so i don't even think he i don't know if he makes the buildings or if he goes in there and like contracts out and like determines yes you guys are certified but his company called urban echo energy and he said that he was telling people when he was raising money for this purchase that it's worth fifty billion dollars and when i hear all these numbers you know if you don't know anything about business you hear this you're like brian you're killing it i think this is one hundred percent fake a complete like it's either a scam or a marketing ploy i don't know which one it is i this won't go through but the fact that we're talking about brian davis and there's like all these articles going out there like how cool is it that the you know this may be the first black owned a nfl team yada it's all fake i think and it's happening right now and it's so i'm very eager to see how this unfolds but it's it's and so i'm like well tim and christian right they they do a lot of real estate like development in that like durham area they i think they've been partners for a long time yeah so and he's i think he's had multiple attempts to buy teams it looks like so he's he tried to buy like a soccer team for thirty three million try to buy the memphis g is for two hundred fifty two million and so yeah i i don't really understand this but but what i thought was funny it does not smell right it doesn't not smell like this that they would have seven billion dollars to to offer for this whether it's their own or even the ability to raise that much money but what i thought was interesting and i started thinking about this i'm like what a brilliant marketing plan just to make an offer that just absolutely ridiculous and it makes the news just for being ridiculous could potentially be a great way to get your name out because now we're talking about this guy he hasn't no no one's talked about this guy in a while like i kanye running for president yeah it's like this like the last time that i heard about that this guy i think was from that like everyone hates christian late in our documentary series but like no one talks about those guy and i don't know what i'd be curious is what goes in to making an offer for some of these multi billion dollar things whether it's a company a sports team a piece of art a house and just can you just become that troll and just you're you make it in the news and you start getting you start doing marketing just as the guy who makes offers and i just saw is a barrier to entry that low on making an offer how does that work do we could do it right now open up microsoft word and let's tender an offer for eight billion dollars and let's see what happens sam and sean have tender an offer for eight billion dollars we're gonna send you ten in cash now you send two back that's how flush we are so long as everything you know plays out due diligence as long as we don't see anything sketchy we're in right and it's getting not due diligence including us del our own when we learned now don't have it then we're out well because with hampton i'm like alright when we need backlinks so we rank and i'm like what's a good way to get backlinks fast and i saw this and i'm like wow all these new sites are covering him that's it i just found my strategy i have to make a ridiculous offer but i thought this was hilarious that this guy was actually like people were taking it seriously on twitter people are like people who aren't in the business world were taking it very seriously and he's getting links from all these new sites saying like nfl may have its first ever black owner but they don't think like wait a minute let's go like where is this money coming from who is this guy right yeah that's that's crazy wanted to talk about this thing that i i noticed happening and then i saw an article that branded this in a really scenario we talk about this already the podcast k do we already talk about this you mentioned it once what is it so there's there's this concept that i had heard that i like but it's doesn't need to sound as fancy as it's called k and it's basically like if you did you ever watch wrestling growing up like a like the rock and stone cold yeah obviously there's the only one answer to that question in italian yeah just stone cold says so yeah of course so in rest like the whole premise of wrestling is that there's these like manufactured storylines right so manufactured alliances manufactured rival re beef oh he he his manager and he kissed his girlfriend and you know that's why we need to fight right and so the creation and and maintenance of these storylines is called k it's basically like i don't know why needed its own k a y f a b e and i don't know why i needed its own word it's i also could just be called like acting or storyline but it's basically saying like you know the or let's pull up the exact definition but it's basically the fact or convention of presenting stage performances as genuine or authentic so it's basically take a staged performance make a genuine and authentic this is happening all the time on tiktok right now and i find it very very interesting so if you go on tiktok you'll often see somebody like there you it used to be this like i'm holding up my phone and i'm talking my phone and let's say i'm giving advice i could say you know the thing you gotta do about blah blah okay that's cool how can we make that seem a little more how could we make myself seem more authoritative well one thing people are doing is they're buying this mic and they're just putting it on their desk and then they're looking to the side like they're talking to someone else and there's no podcast there's no others there's someone else there's no podcast they simply bought a pod so podcast microphone sales are going up because people want on tiktok to look like a thought leader it's like a podcast is a new like tiktok and the the way that you make the ted tiktok look you know so so why can i give this advice or to say these so i saw these two women doing this and it's like all a joke though it's like women giving it's like what they call it the alpha female and it's like you know apparently there is the guy who was like look and he was actually being serious he was look if you're twenty five and you can't afford a lamborghini yet you're doing it wrong and i think it's just ridiculous how wrong you are if you can't you're just lazy and so these two women now have the alpha female and they're just like giving horrible advice you know back and forth and so many people have been taking them seriously and it's one hundred percent fake yeah this is this is exactly what's going on and there's a whole bunch of different versions of this so there's of another popular thing you see on tiktok is somebody like just doing their kind of morning routine or their night routine like their skin care routine they're like kind of brushing on makeup while they're talking or they're like you know like doing the like thing where they're wiping off makeup and then they're like washing their face while recording this and it's like oh so vulnerable grow like store like you know so authentic just and it's like no she put the camera there clicked record and then started doing this to make it like look like i'm not trying i'm just i'm just gonna go through my nightly i'm just talking off alfalfa off top of my head here but it comes across as not like somebody kinda marketing to you or sort of like presenting to you but like you're being led in and i find this so fascinating that people are doing this and you see this everywhere and it's like the opposite of instagram in a way like for instagram the the meta of that was like go do the thing where you rent the private jet for thirty minutes on the runway and take the photos or like you know go hold the bag and take the photo then go return it at louis vuitton or whatever right like people would fake status doing that and in tiktok they fake status doing a completely different thing sometimes it's like with this podcast podcasting thing sometimes it's with like pretending to be just doing their chores and talking or whatever is and i find this really really really interesting because it's like it's effective it's like loki very like sneaky what's going on and and it tells you a lot about how how people work that this actually works you know it's like reveals a lot about psychology that this that this actually works so what's an example of one oh i just gave you too right like the give me another example another one would be what so another one would be like the podcast or ones what are they saying they giving like money so one of the podcast ones for example yeah some of her business advice but one of them was this girl promoting her only fans so what she was doing was she goes viral because she's on a podcast as think she says like a fake she give them fake guess she's a fake guest and as she goes i you know this whatever look ear most for the kids in the car if you're if you're there but you know i make my man six times a day once in the morning once in and she says this thing and then the comment go nuts on tiktok like like women hate it guys love it but the comment section goes nuts because she said this kind of outrageous thing and somebody was like hey maybe you got link to full podcast maybe this was taken it out of context there is no full podcast oh my it's is this girl saying something that's gonna get her a bunch of like traffic on tiktok because then you click her profile and you go to her only fans and you subscribe and that's all she was trying to do is promote her only fans this way and i thought wow like this like five years ago i couldn't even like i told you this story but what is tiktok why would anybody faking being on podcast being on a pilot like the do thing of all time and what is only fans right like i like but this first is probably making i don't know fifty k a month on their only vans and this is their main marketing strategy and that's like it's one of the things i love and hate about marketing is that marketing is this like never ending game that's always changing there's always like a new meta game to be playing and the winners of it get really really rich but it's also exhausting because you gotta kinda stay up onto the the latest thing and and it also shows you when you have a marketing thing that's working like juice it because it's not gonna work for forever and the game will the the game will shift so when you have it working don't take that lightly dude did i remember as a kid growing up in missouri there was basically zach zach was the cool guy in my class he was my friend and he was cool because when we were fourteen you could kinda see that he had ads and it was like oh man zac out abs and zach like cuts his hair cool and he wears one of those like p shell like necklaces zach cool oh he's got vans on too like that's so sick zach awesome i wanna be like zach and then a step above that was like blink one eighty two it was like oh man play two like there's these guys in like southern california and all they do is skateboard and surf and eat corn dogs and play music like how cool is that and i remember being a kid in meetings inappropriate figure and they wear hurley like what is hurley and i remember like it was basically like three inspiration of like it was like zach blink eighty two and like you know tony hawk basically it was like the people who i thought were cool and i remember even meeting someone i lived in missouri i met someone from california i never been like at at that time i oh basically been to florida and missouri i met a guy from california and i'm like do you know some forty one like are you friends with them like how's does that work like you know i just thought that like this was this other world and i if if they're were wearing vans and like high white socks i would like ask for a picture if they had long hair i would ask for a picture i'm like it's like i'm meaning an alien like you are famous just because you live in california my fear is for my future kids them growing up this like fear of influence has just gotten incredibly small because instead of like the mediocre zach of the world there's now like i am now comparing myself to the thousand hot kids who i'm flipping through on tickets the top point one percent zack of every town of every town it's really them yeah yeah there was a clear separation of their zach and then there's blake one eighty two and i can never be a blake one eighty two but i could probably be a zach and that's pretty cool now i just see all these hot people on there they all can dance they're all funny their teeth is perfect in actuality probably the same thing like movies so probably twenty five year old too to like i think that they're only seventeen you know like how like you'd have like hold like lindsay lohan was playing he's like dude you're like twenty six and have fake boobs how are you gonna be playing this six teen year old you you wanna mean like it's like that same thing and i i and i'm like i've screw through tiktok and i'm like if you're sixteen right now this is the worst thing on earth because you are comparing yourself to the point one percent of the whole country not just like the big man on campus the one big man on campus you know who you kind of have a shot of be becoming dude that is so that is so true that is so true that resonates so much with me i had the same thing you sixth gray seventh grade whatever casey p cool coolest kid on coolest can i knew like if you said what is the peak of what cool could be casey p like you know the nike keys the french kissed a girl wants and i was like holy shit i i remember going home and being like wow i'm so far behind like the world right now and that's how you know but he was the cool kid he was he was the only one to compare to you're right like now if i go and take tiktok i'm thirty five years old now and if i go and take tiktok take tiktok can make you feel very small so instagram these social networks are gonna you feel very small because oh you think you're funny here's somebody being fucking hilarious you think you're cute here's someone gorgeous here you think you're talented watch this dance right like and that's swipe swipe swipe better than me better than me better than me better than me happier than me more fulfilled than me richer than me whatever it is right like whatever your in insecurity is to algorithms like i swipe through down on and i'm someone will just be like doing a selfie i'm like wow look at their countertops like that's a huge kitchen like exactly like or like they'll be doing a thing at a car and i'm like wait does that head say ferrari how is this guy have a referral ferrari you know what i mean like it's just like it's consumerism times a thousand of what we were used to you know what i mean before it was like every i only if i went to the mall i would see hot naked abe dudes like where they're like on on the ads now it's just like every single time and it's the best of the best constantly and it freaks me out yeah exactly like you you could feel like a you know tiny little am eva compared to this universe of awesome people doing awesome things living these awesome perfect lives and that's a that's like a a w d for the for the ego especially like a teenage ego like i can't even imagine that yeah that's that's pretty scary no i was thinking about that because i've got friends that i have like twelve year olds and i'm like and i they'll like tell me stories about how they're sad and shit and i'm like yeah i can see that this is horrible this is absolutely horrible because like before when i was a kid there was just there was like if there's like if blink eighty two was a ten and i know i can never become that but then zach like the four and i'm a two so it's like alright there i can close that gap maybe if do enough sit ups right now it's just nine nine nine nine nine everyone's a nine and i don't know how anyone can compete with that and so i'm freaked out about that a little bit i whenever i go through tiktok i just you're better than me you're better than me you're better than me right it's just it's constantly that maybe need rename the the four you page to the better than you page yeah or just fuck you be yeah it's it's still f you but now it's fuck you that's amazing we should alright that's it that's the end of the pond alright before we go ladies and gentlemen we got an little celebration and i say ladies and gentlemen because i'm talking about the gentleman's agreement and the ladies understanding we have hit two hundred thousand subscribers on youtube sam and i promise that we would kiss mouth to mouth at a million we do intend to rene egg on that as soon as it happens but if you wanna see us have to have to rene on that agreement we will people do what we good thing but sam i'm two hundred k that's pretty awesome people should go and do what to get us to three hundred k yes the reason why it got to two hundred k aside from us being good at this i think is we started this at a hundred and ten a hundred and twenty i forget and we came up with the same called the gentleman's agreement which basically means all the content on youtube is free except there's one channel which is the channel you're watching right now it's not free and it's called the agreement because we can't be there to make sure that you pay your debt you just have to do it if it's a ladies understand on on ladies understanding gentleman's agreement which means you now owe us because this content is not free and the way that you pay your debt is you have to click subscribe on youtube that's it it's that easy we're working for you but you you you owe us and so you have to pay your debt and just click subscribe and that is the gentleman's agreement the ladies understanding and so far it's been very effective clearly everyone has done it go to youtube type in my first million and click subscribe turn on notifications you know the pod is much better on youtube you should just start sorry listening to oh and we have to give out our premium we have i don't know if you saw but last time we did this people the last time we did this we did a hilarious thing where we said use the word premium in your comment and we will give youtube premium to one person so let's do that now let's pull up let's pull up somebody here and we will give them youtube premium right now i i i think we 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