#67 - A Very Random Episode

okay we got friend of the show jordan harbinger is here jordan how are you doing man thanks for having me on man i'm just killing self isolating you know be huge we are all isolating but i like i appreciate you dropping in on the show just para in just for a couple minutes it's always fun to have you you know this is a a crazy time twenty twenty it's been a crazy year we got coronavirus and we also had you know the sad tragic passing of kobe bryant who was a guest on your show how how did how did that happen how do you get kobe yeah you know what what's was funny is i was pitching a publicity team for a different guest that i can't even remember now because he was about one percent as famous as kobe bryant and they booked it and it was it was like some comedian which i of course was really excited about they booked it and they canceled it and i got really annoyed and they said well would you consider interviewing kobe bryant instead and i said yeah the course i would consider that let's do that so we set it up and i flew down to kobe office and went over there and hung out for a while and did the interview right there and it was it was incredible it was a really interesting experience to be there with his team as well for that day and honestly it was probably september of twenty nineteen so the timing was was interesting and you know me i asked him all kinds of questions i had nothing to do with basketball including about creativity business hiring and firing because you wonder how a guy like kobe bryant decides who to hire and how he he lets people go i know if i'd wanna be on the wrong side of him and i i did end up asking him about his life and what he's gonna do for his second act and if he ever creep i asked him if he ever thinks about what he's gonna do if he were gone because he has kids and and he was really really honest in the interview he was really really straightforward and i admire that it was a really good interview in my opinion yeah that is intense high stakes interviewing to say the least and was he like an idol of yours before he did the interview no man honestly i look who doesn't love watching basketball but i wasn't even i'm just not a fan boy of athletes in general so it was a great unique opportunity but i wasn't nervous because of that i was more nervous because you just never know if your audio equipment gonna screw up so so i was more nervous like make sure it's recording than i was nervous to be sitting in front of kobe bryant honestly he's so he was so friendly and una assuming and not very loud in fact we even had audio issues recording because we're like we gotta turn them up really high and i said you're really quiet and he goes yeah i'm just not a loud guy man and i was like oh my god can you be loud for like the next forty five minutes so it it was a really unique experience i'll i'll be thankful for that for a long time to come that is amazing you know when we started this show we were doing the interview style thing and i made a a bucket list a wish list of all the guests that i would want you know kobe was on there and when i look at your show and i've been going i've been plowing through the archive of episodes that you've got you've had a bunch of them so you've had tony hawk you've had kobe bryant who are some of the other awesome episodes that people should check out if they if they do binge your show like i'm doing sure yeah howie man was really good the comedian he he was very open about things like mental illness and how he doesn't shake people's hands i've had dennis rodman malcolm glad well and i also had frank ab which a lot of people haven't heard about or from but he to catch me if he can is the catch me if you can guy so he's the real guy that was played by leo d cap and we talked about the psychology behind how he was able to trick so many people and now he teaches of course fbi and intelligence agencies how that's done as well that is amazing so if you're one of the listeners to the to the show who misses when we used to do the interviews and bring in guests well this is this is my recommendation for you you should check out the jordan har show he's got tons of interviews from guests that we were you know hoping the one day have on our show he's already had him on check him out on on itunes on spotify wherever you can find it jordan i appreciate you guys always dropping in on the show yeah thanks for having me out guys we're on we're back what's up me and sam we're here sam but you wrote something the top of this i wanna hear what you have to say which is people's reply about what we talked about last time let's jump in with that alright you wanna i'm gonna read just word for word i have it pulled up on my twitter okay are you ready i'm not gonna read you guy's he goes i'm a modest sized mid seven figure amazon seller in a network of guys that range from one or two million to probably fifty million plus we have a few guys in our network that actually sold their company to how do you call it the thoracic you happy to chat about amazon e commerce sometime okay so i'm gonna read his replies now for those of you listening the background is is that on tuesday sean and i talked about it's a company that raised money they raised i hundred two hundred million at a seven hundred fifty valuation i don't remember close to a hundred million at a seven hundred fifty fifteen evaluation a big company you can they're only tiers years old they're what they're doing is buying amazon fulfillment am filled by amazon company fulfilled by amazon companies and they are making the brands better and just owning them they're do a bunch of stuff and so i had a guy reach out to me and he's i go that's great tell me what's i asked them what's the cash flow situation like for most guys sub ten million dollars they're probably working with zero to a handful of us employees still actively involved in the day to day large team in the philippines and in cheap locations and are probably netting between ten to twenty percent a year and and so the typical size for three to five million the typical size is three to five million in revenue and they're probably pulling in five hundred to a million dollars a year for themselves but the problem is is that it's getting harder and harder in two thousand thirteen you could sell almost anything and scale seven figure business now they're are a lot more dominant more sophisticated players and it's incredibly hard to enter in the business the amazon algorithm is much smarter and it makes ranking incredibly expensive and difficult also amazon treats their sellers like trash just it's kind of a mixed bag i could take a month and do nothing and let my team run it and it can go perfect or i can get an email tomorrow saying my account has been suspended or killed and i need a lawyer to reinstate everything or i'm just crushed so anyway shall i wanted to fill you in on this because i thought it was yeah about that that's a good insight so a couple thoughts on that so the first is i think he's right you know back twenty thirteen twenty fourteen it was a lot easier to do it than it is today that seems consistent with what i've heard in fact the it seems like the formula is build a successful amazon business in two thousand thirteen fourteen fifteen then start teaching other people how to do it because it's too hard to do anymore and so now you start giving away the sort of secrets and you become a teacher right for the for the next three years so so i think that's the the career path right now the other thing that comes to mind we were talking i was talking to andrew wilkinson about this and he was saying he used the i think it's a i think it's a charlie mu quote which is or no no it's a seem to lead quote which is it's like picking up pennies in front of a steam roller so the you know there's a high probability you can make a little bit of money you know consistently every every single time you reached down you pick it up and then there's you know low probability of complete death and that's what he's talking about when he says you can get a letter tomorrow that says your account is suspended goodbye and and that's it or amazon cuts the rates of your category like i have a friend who was doing millions of dollars of book sales as a third party book seller on amazon and then amazon was like you know what now our take rate on books has you know not ten percent we're gonna do twenty five percent thanks and that like killed the whole that happened to me that happened to me the other day so in our we are in the transcript group someone was like just so you know amazon changed the fee so basically i have various blogs like my personal blog or something like that and it makes just like small amounts of money like three to five thousand dollars a month off amazon affiliates and i don't even check it it just runs great because i've just written a lot of content over the years they changed their rate and someone told me in the group i think they it i forget what i was earning i don't even check it i think i was earning six percent to nine percent for affiliate revenue and then they changed it to they like halved it so that money just halved and it's no big deal because it wasn't a it it it wasn't like a big income stream for me but if your wire cutter or if you're buzzfeed and you made a hundred million dollars from this it's a huge deal right yeah that that twenty percent cut makes it makes a really big difference okay so no no it wasn't a it wasn't at a twenty percent cut it was way bigger than that okay it was like half they it have ouch and what what category are your links mostly in is it electronics is it some cat is it one category or is just across the board they rate they lowered it across categories across the board it's close to half my categories were probably personal care and electronics i mean just anyone who yeah i'm or books a lot of books right okay wanna know another topic so we're good on t here you wanna add anything else no okay do you not want to no i think it's it's consistent with what we thought you know i like when people fill in the gaps with information that we don't have right or i'm not a fba seller i don't know the ins and outs of that market i just think it's interesting we talk a little bit about it and then people fill in the gaps and the next episode we come back a little smarter that's a nice little formula we have going so i appreciate that if you ever you know tell us tell us more about what what you know that we don't before we go deep into serious stuff do you wanna talk about i wanna give you feedback that i got from from listeners sean you ready am i prepared for this is this harsh critical feedback do need it's good okay great no okay so what i'm noticing with this podcast is we have a similar amount of views each week and i think it's the same people over and over i think we're like part of people's routine which is cool and the i think the one of the secrets to growing podcast is you have to have guests so when we had andrew he shared it so i've the people who like him came and listened and i hope we've got them hooked and they're gonna listen from now on and so the way that we're gonna do this is we're just gonna get more guess but here's what people keep telling me and this they weren't saying this about andrew but they like it when it's just you and i rip it and just making shit up on the fly yeah yeah i've i've that and i think it's even more on these zoom calls because the zoom called pace is a little slower when we're in person it's a little bit better i think to have that third guest on the seat and it definitely depends that their guest gotta bring the bring the energy you can't just be successful and smart that not enough you have to bring energy you gotta know what people wanna hear about and get to the point and so you know that's the the rubric for guests which is hard when you're also trying to find famous guests because they help the show grow and just for the record sean and i have recorded with i think we've done a a bunch of times i personally have done it a bunch of times and it was one wonderful people who i like and it just turned out to be bad and we just don't publish yeah we throw it away don't even tell the guys we way yeah and i've done it a couple times with like for throughout the years for whatever i i don't even remember what i was recording stuff for i've interviewed someone who was like an amazing operator and the content was wack and i'm like belt trash yeah exactly and so anyway the feedback that we're getting so is that people like us because they say that i'm more opt and you're are more like down to earth and that we r and they love that and that they can't get that anywhere but you and i or like let's go get more guests and people don't like the guests but unfortunately that helps us grow yeah well we'll we'll keep mixing it in dude i had a yesterday that i was like if i had just recorded this this would have been like one of the dope podcast podcasts ever it was is me and for time we have a call every once a week now that's just called cool shit and he lives in like the edge of like technology he's like in the dark web basically that not a legal way but sort of like he's on the forefront of what's interesting going on he's just like a he's just a nerd he's just like a very typical silicon valley engineer yeah and but he much reality in a good way he knows me well enough and also he loves money enough where he knows how to take that stuff and bubble up the the bits that are interesting the bits that are relevant and not just get lost in the weeds of technology so that comment was amazing but unfortunately it's didn't record the other thing i was gonna say the guest is being guest on other people's podcast is the other way to grow so i had sean let yesterday reach out to like fifty podcast podcasts and just be like hey i'll go on and talk about it right like i'll go on yeah i just saw my company go on and about that hey we built a podcast that did a million downloads in the first six months we could talk about how we did that and so i think guessing on other people's podcast might be a good way you did this with gary v with pump so maybe we could do yeah i've probably so there's a caveat there i've i've probably been a guess a hundred times and there was a period like over the trailing six months i have it set up my calendar from three o'clock to five o'clock that's only guessing on podcast podcasts and i would do it and some of the small ones just drove nothing right like it was total hit or miss and so i would spend like three weeks doing it and it's almost like and you probably like this it's like being the comedian you just say the same shit over and over and you kind of figure out what hits and it's fun it's almost like therapy you just talk about yourself it's cool but it definitely it gets a little repetitive and it the results are not always there but they are sometimes yeah and you know the thing you said at the beginning which is for podcasting you'll get this base and it's sticky sticky base of people who wanna who who listen to it all the time it becomes a part of their routine they start to really love you that sort of thing it's very different than other products i built where i'm like alright i wanna get millions of users to just visit this page or like just use this once a week or subscribe to this and kinda forget about it like that's been a lot of the products i built this is the opposite it's like an army of a hundred thousand people who will like go to war for you i think there's people in this group that would if i said hey you to beat this person up they would go beat that person up like there's people who really have your back and when i started this i remember i was talking to sue who's the fur very first guest on the pod and he was like you know what do you think next you just sold the company and i was like you know i really like this podcast podcasting goes okay like is that a business like in some ways it's a step down right like i'm gonna wait way less doing this than i did my last business or any other business i wanna do and i was like look i want to just be in like a million people's ear balls every morning if i did that i just know that that's a good thing and i don't know how to get there but i'm gonna do i'm gonna to get into a million people's ear balls every morning on their way to the work on the way to work i think that's powerful yeah i mean and it may or may not be a business but it definitely will lead to way more opportunity i've had a lot of i mean i've been doing the content thing a little bit like before the podcast so i i kind of understand it but the podcast definitely is different i remember i went to new york sean and i just tweeted i was like i'm we're gonna be over i'm gonna be over here because i was there for hustle advertising crap and i just tweeted i like yeah we're gonna be here i had two hundred people wanna come and so we only let maybe twenty come and because we're in people's ears dude like these people this kid ryan said something to me and he's like yeah you know because you said how much you like this thing and i was like i don't remember what you're talking about and like they they think they know you right funny and you know the other thing i is that people are the people who lives are actually pretty they're really smart and successful you know i think a lot of podcasts that are about business they cater to kinda lowest common denominator so it's like oh the entrepreneur is their core market and you know in our facebook group for this podcast i posted something saying hey i'm doing some cool for people who have a business that does over a million dollars a year and there's like a hundred plus replies just in that facebook group people who have business doing over a million dollars a right so these are not like kinda like the entrepreneur who's you know if they're not a five job or a college kid or something like that like of course there are people like that but the audience also is mixed with a lot of interesting successful people there's a bunch of vcs that listen to this is crazy so anyways about the podcast let's give people some some of the topics or ideas let's talk one more thing about the podcast which is i my house looks like is crazy right now i've i had i had to go and buy this mic i've had like set this all up dude it's so hard to set up like right a zoom thing and it's hard yeah beat this shit i know you want you want that business to exist which is push a button and give me like a dope podcast like turnkey yeah oh and for anyone who's listening this is podcast related a little bit i promise i'll finish up with this but this is awesome so my friend neville he sponsored last podcast copy course dot com i'll plug him he i did like a happy hour with i i mean i don't know a dinner where we just we're just shooting the shit because we haven't been able to see each other because this stuff he used a dslr r as his webcam and it was awesome was so it looks amazing it made looked like a greek god it looks like he's like it's all like it's like does that i don't know about cameras where it does like you're blurry and then it's called like or something like that so so i saw on youtube there's just got gary tan an investor and silicon looking vow he's like you know one of the wise comb partners and he did this youtube video that was like how to look like like an amazing on zoom and i was like dude this makes sense this is the new like this is the equivalent of wearing a suit to work now right like he's sitting on youtube not looking like shit with your room looking like shit and so this video only had fifteen hundred views but he's like look this is the camera i used this is the mount this the lens here's how you get the that that blurred background look and like he looks amazing and then when i saw that photo you the screenshot you head of neville i was like i bet you he watched that video and there was only fifteen interviews but i was like anybody who's was watching this and the other guy who who did it was n drawer who's the the founder of he was at product now had at str capital and he does it too and it yeah it really doesn't look amazing and what i saw that i was like i should do this i should i should bet so i'm gonna do it i i didn't know about this video so last night i bought seven hundred dollars for the stuff i bought so i already have these philip up two light bulbs you know what those are yep where you i just say alexa turn the lights to like smart watch it's gonna turn the lights up and so i bought those but you see back here behind the couch i'm gonna put them there and so it's gonna like shoot up right and it's gonna i hope it's so like i i i we have like a room oh i i forget i'm not using the camera we have a room clean anyway you'll see it so i'm in i'm in all this i like it this guy reached out from twitter who he's done a couple of e commerce things that are kind of interesting and so i was talking to him and he that's his new thing so he he's basically he initially was targeting twitch streamers because he's like look when you're a streamer you're basically broadcasting from your bedroom and streamers invest in all this like artwork cool lights wall panels smart speakers all this stuff to make the room look good and he's like i'm gonna make an eco comm store that's like just gonna do that it's gonna be what's the call i'll find the name of it i don't know if he wants me to kinda add i'll we may have to believe this if if he's not into it but i'll say it right here it's called visual candy and this guy smart i like this guy a lot and so cindy anyways but now with the room looking gonna work from home i think this extends a lot past where his initial market was which is youtubers and twitch stars and now it's you know any professional who's gonna spend some amount of time in a home office and just think about the amount of home offices that are being built out right now because people are needed to infrastructure for this but that's gonna stick around once covid goes away yeah i i i have loved i i'm really do it i have like gone to amazon and i've tried buying like all the stuff and it's it's kinda complicated because i didn't know which batteries do this i was like how do i i was like what does the camera need to be so i'm doing this there's another thing called the cam link i just looked this up el el el gallo yeah and it i i went and looked at it and it was they built this entire thing for streaming for gamers yep and it looks awesome i'm gonna i definitely go buying this stuff i'm probably gonna drop two grand on all this crap i'm i think we'll turn our we have a i another bedroom i'll turn that into an office so i'm i like all this crap dude i love buying shit when you bought and when i just get on a buy streak and i'm like yeah you know what i deserve this i need that and like you know what's the problem here and and actually buying stuff is not i don't know there's something like cath about like just the act of buying it feels fucking great and i love it yeah but for me i've been having a call one eight hundred got junk and having to spend like if i buy like a a new desk the boxes are so big i got pay a hundred dollars box problem rid of the box he's insane especially here in san francisco the box problems insane i fucking hate it i hate it it's one of the reasons why i moved i live in a house now i used to live in a building and one of the reasons was is because i didn't have to worry about the trash right well no matter how much space i have because i thought oh i got this new i was now have a garage i got this like trades alley i got this extra closet but it's that same principle i think it's a i forgot like the parkinson's law or whatever which is time will like work will expand to fill the time you give it so it'll let's say you have a week to do the project guess what it's gonna take your a week if you had a day to do that same project it would have only taken you a day and in the same way like junk your shit will expand to fill the space you have and that's still here let let me let i i've thought about this a lot let me get wise here okay i'm a amateur bee keeper so i have bees you know that though you know that's your house right now you don't hands that right now so they actually went away but since two thousand and thirteen i've kept these so i've always for the most part so listen i'll tell you about this for the most part in my lot or in my san francisco life for ten years i live in glenn park it's a nice neighborhood in san francisco it's like residential i've always had a backyard and i wanted a hobby that was not expensive and i didn't want it to turn into a business and i just wanted something fun that i could be outside and like i made a list of hobbies that i could pick just pick the lame one key and you'll bee keeping came up with top because it doesn't cost a lot of money to start if you want to you can just leave it alone do anything or if you wanted it to you could poke around with it and like be active with low maintenance low maintenance it does it only cost three to five hundred dollars to get into the hobby you don't have to buy bunch of shit to keep up with it and it was a allowed me to be outside and so i i became a bee keeper in two thousand and thirteen i think how long long do bees live like do you still got be that's around from them no no no they they i think they might only live for like a few months they they could cycle through and so i bought about ten thousand bees and i get honey from and i just give it away and i i called it southern sam sticky ic and and so i've had bees for years and when i lived in soma i only lived in soma of a year and then i went back to glen park and i just kept it on the roof at my office so you can have bees i would have ten ten thousand b's just on the roof of our office and no one would know they say themselves mostly and they go out and get honey or get poll and they turn it to a nectar and it turns into honey and anyway the here's the interesting thing that i learned see this has been like this is by where the wisdom comes like here's the interesting things that i've learned with bees is bees fill the space that they are given with honey so if you give them a lot of space they will always fill it if you don't give them a lot of space then they just won't make right and so the rule of this thank you and so i've learned this through bees that humans are the same way if you give them a lot of space then they will fill it with a ton of stuff if you give them not a lot of space they just won't buy stuff you just won't you won't you just won't get stuff and so that's the important thing so when you think of like i'm gonna get this huge house so i'll have a ton of room and i'll have more space you're gonna seal it to the brim with crap and you will no longer have space it always works that's a amazing i love that story didn't know you were bee i've known you for like six years had no idea by the way we both studied abroad in sydney and and i took a class because when you study rod you're trying to have a good time you're not trying to learn and so i took the easiest class i could find which was a b a b class and so i learned all this shit about bees and b's have some crazy things like just two quick b facts if i remember directly from ten years ago i learned that when a when the queen bee goes to mate she leaves on an expedition and she will mate with as many male b's as she can along the way and she basically has sex with them and then kills them right after with flex their back and they die and then she she sort of it gets imp by all these b's and then there's this other thing which is really interesting that the people have learned from bees which is like a big evolutionary learning which was in a bee hive many of the bees could be fertile but they choose to be sterile and they choose to just take care of the queen b's kids because they're all related by like some twenty five they're all like quarter sisters or something like that they're all like twenty five percent related and it turns out like in a darwin sense you are better your jeans are better off surviving if you just take ten to these half sisters and quarter sisters that you have rather than trying to have your own kids and survive and so that's a crazy thing about these in these are awesome man it's a great hobby you can get into it for two fifty dollars all you gotta do is go to amazon and you type in bee keeping kit and so someone will send you the kit and then you go on your local craigslist you might even be able to buy them online but you that might take like a few weeks but if you go on your local craigslist you type in b's there's a farmer nearby but you can pay a hundred dollars and they'll give you ten thousand b's and they'll set it up for you it's so it's super easy to get into and it is so fun b's you could eat i it fuck i mean i'll get like i gotta think about those like probably five to eight gallon milk jugs like what's the hub of is that a gallon of milk like that that worth of honey maybe five to eight a year they're producing and okay cool i want some money yeah also related to this idea of like people buy stuff and people love stuff and people will fill their space with stuff and these will fill their space with stuff if you want a good five minutes go on youtube and type chris deli girls love things and you will have a great time for five minutes okay and now that brings t to random start idea so i don't think this would work so let me start with that but there's something interesting here where so netflix recently you netflix in the last few years started going heavy into comedy so comedy used to be like hbo kinda owned the space where they would do you know hbo specials and then that kind of dried up and comics are like cockroaches they'll always survive it's like okay we'll go play in the ding room we'll go on stage we'll get a netflix special we'll get a hbo special okay we're back to the dark room again like they won't quick they're like degenerate and now podcasting has been a huge boom for them so chris who also just had a netflix special come out these guys make tons of money right so netflix started cutting like ten twenty million dollar checks i believe to these comedian because they know that comedian have these like rabbit following and the content is good it's unique sort of proprietary content but i think that there's a product out there sort of like a crunchy what crunchy role did for anime think somebody could do for the mid tier comedian i think you could make a sort of five dollar a month seven dollar a month subscription to the the the comedian that are not gonna get netflix specials right so not chris rock and not seinfeld in chappell and and all those guys but like the next tier down like even you know one level below like the whitney cummings of the world right because they're still getting netflix specials and i think you could add them up and it doesn't even have to be the hour long special it could be like a ten minute set set or a twenty minute set or something like that and i think you could get i think each of them have a few thousand fans that would pay to be able to access that exclusive comedy content add and and so you would if you just aggregate all the comedian then it's a sort of all you can eat pass where as a viewer i can discover other comedian too so anyways i think that there's a business potentially for a mid level netflix for comedian where you aggregate what do you think great i'm looking up information so i can i i my brain's rolling and i'm gonna let me let me tell you what i think so first of all qui i imagine it's trying to do something like that so qui is that even fucking how the libby it's pretty stupid i mean look i think with qui it it actually can be great because the people who are running it are like super smart but it it does not look like a good bet now but it still might be anyway they're trying to do something like that second i think that that is a great idea and i think the way that i would find out how to do it is i would look up q q e l l oh have you heard quell i never heard of it okay cuomo is cool so what q is is it's a it it's i think it was started wave before its time it's an app on apple tv and all they have is live concerts and so it was started in two thousand and ten and it's available and it's like a it's a app for your phone but i think it's best on apple tv and you could download it and you pay ten thousand or is it maybe ten dollars a month ten sometimes ten thousand dollars month i think it's ten dollars a month and you just get access to a library of live concerts have you ever wanted to do that or is that just me i kinda do this on youtube but youtube like has enough free i i listen to a bunch of like red rock concerts right because it's a concert venue called red rock which is awesome and like anytime a musician goes there they film it in like epic with epic cameras and sound and they're just like available in youtube for free but this is cool i like this it's awesome and the it's it's it's better than youtube but youtube is great and the reason it's better is because like if you buy the concert dvd the camera works a little bit better and the sound is a lot better and i love live music and so i am i'm a big fan of this and they have seventy thousand paying subscribers they were recently acquired by sting rate communications which is a publicly traded company in canada it's a cable company so if i were you sean and i wanted to launch this or if i was to listener and wanted to launch this i would look up sting ray communication and i would go and read the the filing for that company and i would figure out exactly what que does that's what i would do an i would learn about how they did it because it's a relatively niche thing they only have seventy thousand subscribers it's not huge and they've been at it for ten years so it's not a big number and i think it is incredibly viable business and i think it's great another thing another thing that i would do is i would look up discovery channel and a national geographic are you familiar you're familiar with that geographic obviously rick okay national geographic is still a huge company it it it and disney recently bought into it at a billion dollar valuation and they still make they still make hundreds of thousands or hundreds of millions of dollars a year from their magazine subscription is that crazy that's insane and so i would and put they but here national geographic was a non nonprofit and and so the good thing about nonprofit is you can go and see all their numbers and so what i would go and look at i would look at discovery and i would look at mass national geographic and i was look at q and i would see what they are doing because those are those are relatively niche subscription companies that crushed right so long story short great idea okay cool alright what else we yeah you wanted to talk about this card thing yeah so i am a user card i i think the product only okay it's still quite frustrating to use but carta laid off a bunch of people the other day a hundred sixty seven people yeah and they raised money and their ceo henry wrote this message that he made public and he said something like it was not your man manager's fault for laying you off it was one hundred percent my fault in fact it was the opposite your manager tried to help you and i'm on the one who reviewed every list and i said we're gonna fire this person so blame me and i think that was great i thought it was a great message so high high level he was basically saying hey we laid a bunch of people off and i'm going to publish the announcement i made to the company so that you know presumably other ceos and other other companies can kind of learn from this use this or take solace and the fact that i did this to i don't know whatever the purpose was yeah content marketing and he and and he published this and i typically and fall into the category of all presses good pressed go ahead and do it i thought this was kinda lame did you do you agree and and i and i tweeted at henry and i want him to come here and i'll say this to his face i you see the cool guy this move i think was kinda lame right i i would agree i've kind of followed this guy for a little while like i've read some of his other stuff or or seen some interviews seems like a good guy seems like a like a smart guy and i think carter is a good product and i like some of the other stuff they've like they have a next chapter program basically to help people who wanna people wanna leave the company they don't make it this like awkward exit they like celebrate it in whatever you know in theory so i thought this was lame mostly because i thought two things i thought it was tone deaf and secondly i didn't think the actual statement was very good so i thought just the the premise of what he was trying to do like what is the upside and what is the downside it it to me it looked like he was trying to pat himself on the back and i know he would never he would say that's not what i trying to do blah blah i think was trying to pat himself on the back and also like you know give a little bit of sort of you know put carter's his name out there again like just by this kinda like the buffer wave of like publish everything and the good the bad the ugly you get attention but i just thought it was telling deaf and also it seemed like what he wanted people's reaction to be was like wow great leadership way to take responsibility great ceo leadership and and he got that and both not for me when i read this i was like this was a pretty horrible way to do the announcement and i'll tell you why he started okay so here's like i'm just gonna bullet point the the the summary so he goes over the last few weeks we're talking about recession planning i said layoffs were likely and today is the day i can't delay it any longer okay weird start alright then he says i'm sorry if i apologize if if i sound robotic i'm reading off a script because i don't know if i can get through this without something to lean on okay you're not the victim don't say that that's also kind of yeah that's that's pretty late yeah lame fuck then he says okay let me start with the details we're gonna lay off hundred and sixty one employees that sixteen percent of our company it's gonna be different across the company alright whatever then this was weird i thought it was just like if you are one of those affected you'll receive an invitation from your manager if you do not receive a meeting invitation you are safe and i was like okay hunger games a little odd way to do it but you know in a zoom world i don't know if there is a better way to really like kinda of mass do this where you you can't have the information come out until it needs to come out but i just thought like it's anxiety that's a very like anxious feeling thing and also you gotta know if you're the ceo and you say that people's minds just start racing in that direction they're just imagining what the next hour of the life's is gonna be they're not even gonna hear the next three paragraphs you say like their mind is gone they checked out it's thinking about themselves and so whatever the next three paragraphs are ignore it so then he goes alright the moral conflict this is the part i thought was w so he's like in a couple of town halls ago i said there was two perspectives around layoffs the first is the shareholder perspective we're reducing costs and protecting cash or what matters the second is the employee perspective when nothing matters more than saving jobs and helping employees in a you know in a time where it's like unemployment at levels of the great depression so each of these are clear they're una unpredictable and they're correct from their perspective but they are dia opposed this creates a con conundrum for ceo ceo sit between shareholders employees and wish that they could do both for every ceo they have to deal with this conflict i chose to manage this conflict by taking the shareholder perspective in deciding you should leave and taking the employee perspective on how to help to me i was like what is this paragraph like dude yeah what the fuck dude it's all the say like you're just trying to build a company that makes profit and does it worth the good people that's the same thing yeah and like think about you have to think about your audience do you think your audience gives a shit about the shareholder perspective and the the dilemma you have as a ceo and how you've chose to str this as a ceo it's not even about you so i just thought this was the part that was really odd to me that like see it seemed like i don't know i wouldn't have included this in the statement and i thought that this made it look quite bad and i i would not want other ceo's em this part of the statement because what matters is your audience as your employees and you need to know hey this is really hard for us we we tried to analyze every situation cut every other dollar we could before we cut anyone's jobs and we did that but this is the this is the path we have to go you know this is i'm terribly sorry like i did not manage the company in a way where we had enough buffer this is a failing of my part this is the worst you know the worst day and my my my time as the company and and it is for all of us and so like here's what this means for you and like all you to say is like this sucks we tried everything we could do this was the last resort and you know here's how we're gonna make it right by you and not like this theory about how shareholder value matters and the ceo has to like str these things it's like nobody cares yeah i i think that and i think that that's not only does nobody care i think that that is just a silly way to look at it which is when you're building a company like step one is crate something that people want yes and get it and and get it into the hands get it into their hands in a profitable way okay that's step one like that that is just the the that that's the basics of a company which is you make something that someone wants to give you money or you make something and you make a profit off of it right and if i i think that's step one but that is the fundamental premise of the company that's a fundamental that's a fundamental premise is what i mean and so if i was him i'd be like look here's the deal like we expect we expect it to grow a lot faster and we are investing in this and and the plan would have worked but this thing slowed everything down and so we just have to cut things that are not profitable right and that sucks and i'm sorry that that sucks but that's what's gonna happen and i think that if you just say that in more straightforward way instead about this shareholder value shit like people already know already know like they're all adults in the room to understand this fucking crazy virus happening in companies across the board or having trouble some companies have no revenue now like people get that that that's happening and it's just like okay so what's gonna happen at our company oh our company we've they tried everything they could they're making the the sort of this is what he need to say was this was our last resort we did this in a way where we're not gonna have another round of layoffs because that creates you know a ton of i wouldn't say that i would i would say we're gonna try not to yeah like you know that is our goal and how we did this but even then that's speaking to the people who are staying you know really at this point you just have to speak to the total group and just say some of you gonna be affected here's how it works we're here's how we're doing our best to to make it run to do right by everybody who's done right by us this is no fault of your own this is a fault of ours in running a company that was not did not have the the margin of error to deal with with something yeah i think that like what i would just say if i had to do this which i hope i never have too but i i probably really will have to one day not like i'm saying a our company but i'm not implying anything i'm just saying one day if i have a if i have a long career which i will that you gotta say look i have a hundred percent of the flock that i have to manage and take care of and sometimes that might mean that i have to fire thirty percent of the flock in order to take care of the other sixty and that is just how life works and this just sucks right and while i'm trying to make this in such a way that the forty percent are not completely hung out to dry but this is just what i have to do and i'm sorry that this is is the situation and if you wanna blame someone i blame me and right that's that right and that's pretty much all you at have to yeah exactly like you don't need the the epic speech and you know right now we're kind of like look i think we're we're clear that hey personally for us this didn't like come across great and we weren't like oh wow that was epic on the other side you know we're just kinda off the cuff coming up with what a what a better speech might be but the reality is that in this case like you basically have a speech writer you have a multi you have a billion dollar company and you have time to think about this and this is the what what we're reading is his output after thinking about it and so that's the part that i thought was a little also i went have published it i went have published this because it's like you take this fuck take this on the chin like and by the way i know i'm chris hiding this guy i don't know him he i and i will tell i will say this for his face and i'm sure he's actually a good good dude this is just a big miss but i would say like dude do you gotta take this one on the chan and just like this is a loss and and say be a man and say what you wanna say to your people which that your your fault that's wonderful i wouldn't publish agree i i didn't understand that and also i'm not yeah i'm not sure what the what the sort upside of was of that was now on the other hand i they did something great right so like the actual actions that they were taking for people and that were great they're like look we're gonna extend the cobra health insurance till the end of the year because health insurance is super important especially right now and so they didn't have to do that but they did they removed people's cliff and they arrested of their shares they didn't have to do that but they did you know they they they give them i think a bit of bit of severance didn't have that but they did and then they have this sort of alumni network where they're trying to help people get jobs cool i like all of that like i liked all of that action just didn't like the pre and i didn't like the sort of pat on patrick seemed a little bit like pat me on the back please can i show you my leadership during this adverse time so you could like kip tell me i did a good job and that's the part i didn't like i liked a lot of the action and of course and when you i don't know this guy so you know this is not no no personal thing against them i've i've i have friends who work with them and i've heard a lot of positive stuff i just think that like and i i i value i applaud carta for raising this money and going big and trying to make something happen and i applaud them from over for over hiring in hopes of like it working like i i applaud the risk taking and i want people who are listening that just because sean and i are criticizing this guy you gotta take rest still and you gotta try this big shit and it's not gonna work all the time good i mean not good but like whatever that's just you gotta it's comes with the territory and i just wish you would've took it on the chin a little bit more right okay i got another i got and one more topic that's on a a more positive note okay so they're gotta wash i feel like i had some hate aids spilled on me there i gotta wash that off so this is yeah and by the way sean you and i typically aren't i'm yeah rarely a hate exactly so if we're rarely haters feels very i and i yeah so i wanna go add this by saying i hope these guys crush it i hope they do wonderful i believe i think they actually will i just think that this one move was a stupid move and they're probably a very long and positive journey right and and look you know there's a big difference of of criticizing a person versus criticizing an an action or criticizing a you know something that was done and this is definitely like just didn't like the message not the don't know don't even know the messenger can we just say by the way that a lot of people in media like in who have these podcasts and newsletters and they're all fucking haters of the people they're covering right is that about the craziest thing ever yeah i think it's like it's like a fair trade so so so there's a guy eric weinstein have you heard this guy's podcast it's called the i like called the portal smart guy i don't know too much about it him when he he runs like peter t fun and so he's been talking about this concept lately that's called k fa have you heard him talking about this no okay so he's like hey there's this wrestling term called k fa k k a y f a b e and he's like okay what k is is like you know in wrestling it's basically wrestling is a fake fight right wwe it's like a a pre arranged sort of agreed upon fake fight where i'm the hero and you're the heel or i'm the good and you're the bad whatever and and it it it it's like the dialogue is sort of an agreed fight for for both of our betterment like the more we feud the more popular we both become and the fight itself like okay we agree we sort of agree to do this and so if he talks about how this happens in the real world too like right now i see this whenever trump goes and does his briefing and then there's that one guy from cnn jim cost i think is his name and yeah always there and he trump's like okay you you're next and then he asks his question and trump like rips him and then that becomes like the seven minute youtube clip and cnn talks about it all day and like you know on one hand it's like why doesn't trump just kick this guy out or like you know remove revoke his press you know credentials here or on the other hand why isn't this other guy you know either you know fight back or or start or or like take some other action everyday the same sort of thing plays out and i think in reality it serves them both extremely well where cnn gets awesome content that people wanna watch because it's juicy to see the president fight with somebody and trump also loves the attention on the left and the right good and bad and then he drums it up as do those liberals are always trying to say this and then the right supports him more because he has an enemy that's attacking him right and so there's like this dance that they're doing so i get that intentionally i get that but here's what i don't get so i'll i'll give you a very specific example this pissed me off so much there's this woman named the natasha t to to i forget what natasha to i don't know how to pronounce last name it i forget it though it's like ta anyway she was a blogger for valley wag which val wag was pretty funny and all but they took it too far all they did was make fun of silicon valley and then she worked at buzzfeed and then wired magazine and now she's at washington post and she had this article that says silicon valley now deem luxury housing and essentials and essential good or whatever here yeah good and so people are still building multi million dollar condos and in the first fucking line of the article it says the mayor has deemed luxury housing as well as all other types of housing including including housing projects and this other stuff as essential and it was in the technology section of the washington post oh yeah here is natasha to t t t i k u and i've better before and and i was like what the fuck that's like saying like i'm gonna write an article in tech crush and be like can you believe this billionaires are able to buy one million dollar car and then in the article and be like but also anyone can buy any car including a one thousand dollar mazda including a twenty thousand dollar honda civic including a fifty thousand dollar mercedes right it's like what and then why is it in the tech section of of washington post oh my god this pisses me off and so i looked this woman up and she's very educated she went to nyu and then like columbia journalism or like just like ivy league just really smart woman and i'm like why would you study for eight years or however long took and spend hundreds of thousands of dollars when you're just gonna to do this hey you're just gonna hate the people who you write about right don't understand it why not just go right about something that like you wanna sell of course they'll say we don't hate them we're just you know we're reporting on that we're reporting the stories we don't we don't hate them so there was a really interesting thing that happened recently where four coronavirus there's this guy bo who's on twitter pretty popular guy he was at entries in horror and bunch of stuff he's at coinbase and things like that so he's kind of one of those like on the forefront of things guys so back in january he showed up at a crypto meetup and was wearing gloves and a mask and this was january when nobody in the us was really worried about this and everyone's was kinda laughing like what he doing he's like well you know i think there's just a you know you know maybe small probability but that this coronavirus thing that's happening in wuhan is gonna be like a a major you know global pandemic and people like okay apology alright thanks and so this writer came out and wrote us to do a box the v a rec code writer yeah so rec code writer the rec code oh my god this theory so so the quick story here is the rec code writer reaches ant top pathology and says like hey i wanna get your comment on a story we're doing about you know silicon valleys reaction to the coronavirus this is again early on and he was like yeah i'm not interested why don't you report on like who cares about silicon valleys what the silicon valley elite think about coronavirus like he you should report on the state of testing the state of the the you know the the spread of the virus and all these other like kind of like important facts that should be reported on and he tweeted out that he that that screenshot her dm and tweeted it and then all the journalists were like dude she was just asking for comment why are you putting on blast this is why people hate to silicon valley and he was like no no no i know this game and he he so he talked about this he's like this is a strategy called be friend and betray where the journalist comes to says hey ba urine an expert i would love to get your take on this thing and all they're trying to do is write the store story and what the headline of the story came out with something along the lines of like you know why silicon valley not doing handshakes anymore and was like laughing at silicon valley sort of for over reacting to the coronavirus this is early on before all the lockdown down this stuff and he said he goes i promise you the headlines gonna be right silicon valley nerds refuse to shake hands that's and that's he was what it was now the body of the oracle i went back and reddit it was actually they know somewhat fair was just reporting what was going on how you know whatever but he was right about the the headline and headlines often written written not by the journalist but by the editor because editor needs to drive clicks blah anyways anyway so this is pretty interesting you if you wanna hear more of that jason cal did a podcast biology that i thought it was pretty awesome so i can't i can't stand that particularly given like me like people always like oh you're a tech bro and that like a lot some journalists will say that i'm like you work at v if i'm tech or you right like what does that mean tech like like i had a some a journalist from new york times come in interview she she's like so what are you and your like tech bro friends i was gonna ask you to do this so so tell the story in your new york times story this is an amazing story you've told me before yeah so so first of all like i i made sure i recorded it in i hit because i knew so i knew that this person was gonna take me out of so what was the context you went to new york or how did it go down no she came here she goes hey you seemed like an insider i wanna come and learn all the things that people are gonna are talking about trying to betray and yeah and i go okay fine come i know what you're doing come on and but maybe it could be positive like maybe we'll become like we can exchange cool information maybe you'll write something me positive about me maybe i'll just whatever then maybe it'll try out good and she comes she goes can i record this i go yeah i'm gonna record it too and and because i i didn't want anything to be taken out of context and she goes so like you're like a tech bro like what you and your tech friends talk about and your girlfriends and i was like first of all why are you calling me a bro like what are you and your tech chick friends talk like why would you ever say that to me you don't know me and that's just rude to to say anyway and i and she i go i don't know you i go you're a tech you tell me she goes no i work at new york times i was like you guys just announced that most of your revenue comes from digital like you're a why am i tech and you're not tech like you are tech and she was well it's just different i was like well you tell me what you you you and your tech friends talk about and she goes well we're not whatever really kinda dismiss it i i was like and and anyway i go well we talk about just like you know sports and like i was like i don't know we're just talking about normal stuff like cool diets or like cool food and like all types of weird stuff and it was just so odd she was just so trying to like it was so much like an other like i'm an other from you and i'm like i don't i don't understand this this this this dichotomy here like we are actually in the same industry i work in publishing so to you we both make make most our most of our money from the internet like why are you calling me this tech bro i you don't even know me and she's like you don't listen to joe rogan do you and i'm like well yeah i do i listen to a lot of cool stuff i i i read and this is true every morning i go to cnn and then i go to fox news and then i go to hu poe and then i go to bright part because those are all like the kind of the opposites i read all types of stuff i like joe ro and i like oprah do all type of stuff why are you trying to like set me up for this gotcha moment right and it was horrible i hated it yeah and so to sum this up the headline by the way we have it multimillion million dollar mansions high rise waterfront condos and a state leave victorian all deemed quote essential under public health orders in san francisco and silicon valley that was the headline right and then in the first paragraph it said it's it restate of the headline and then it added as well as housing projects and low income housing all deemed essential right it's crazy oh my god i can't understand it i'm like why would you remember cover bought when we bought be back so we had bought bib for a million dollars out of an auction and we were gonna relaunch it as something and so nobody knew that we had bought it back it was like done in a courtroom it was like kind of on on the low and there was a i knew reporter and you know we were kind of friendly i guess we had friends of friends that were mutual and so i was like okay hey you know i wanna give you a scoop and you know on the embargo and like come to doing an interview and whatever so she was like great comes over doesn't an interview explain the whole thing when you talk about what we're doing blah blah blah next day the article comes out and this is the person we gave the scoop to it could've have given it to anyone next day article comes out headline was remember be yeah that bib it was like it was something like you know remember be yeah it's dead but maybe you know it was like something like be was dead remember be literally bit it was like was like in the headline line it was like making fun of and then the whole article was our conversation we talked about was like legit so i text her i was like what the fuck what is this headline and she was like i'm sorry like i don't get to do the headlines my editor does the headlines and he just like you know he's gonna do what's gonna drive the most clicks and like he decided the thing that would drive the most clicks is talking shit about the buy back and like yeah right like it's like buying myspace back and trying to relaunch it and so i was like you know that's that's fair but wow what a shitty move to pull when you're sort of given a embargo you and you have all these other elements of the story that you could have like used as the lead sean i but i don't blame i don't blame her or him because like i think that if you just because you gave her an embargo like she should be still say the truth sure and say her opinion like and she shouldn't hold back if she thinks you're stupid and what you're doing is stupid she just because you gave her that she's that's true the two things that i thought were weird were number one the headline and the story were so disconnected the story was what she actually thought and the content of our interview right it was positive that's that's right and then the headline was just something completely different that was written by a completely different person and just shows kinda of like the way the inside of those organizations work the second thing i thought was because kinda whack was like no heads up like there's a sort of a human connection to this too right like if i done you a favor by giving you an exclusive piece of news even if you're gonna write something that you know i'm not gonna like when you're like lol this thing is dead yeah right it's not gonna come back then you know to surprise the person i think is an unnecessary extra slap versus like oh i just disagree agree with you i totally agree at your first point but i don't agree at your second point which is if i'm gonna say something negative about you i'm gonna give you a heads up i'm just gonna say it but that's dump dumb business right you you cut yourself out then going forward right like we had a bunch of other stories that came out in the coming years and guess who like never got a word right hurts she just cut herself out for no reason yeah i mean i think it's a it's definitely it's a hard thing to balance and this is why some people like for example if someone says that they're a conservative news site well the and one of the reasons why they probably could keep giving conservative people a good look is so they can get positive they can yeah so it's definitely it's hard right but me personally if you if like if someone comes on this podcast and they go like i like will you make me look good i'm like no i'm not gonna make you look i'm not gonna make you look bad like we'll talk and if i think you say something dumb i'm gonna just gonna tell you it's stupid right like i'm not so i i i i think that i think that if i agree with that game i've gotta suffer the the both the positive and the negative consequences and the positive consequences is maybe they're gonna think i'm great and they'll tell the truth and also as quote journalists or i don't know what you wanna call me or both of us we're gonna like find the truth but also if someone thinks that about us and it's negative we gotta live by that yeah i don't mind getting negative press i did mind the sort of dissonance and also i don't know like i just think like it is again bad business for that person because you burn your own bridge whereas if you're like hey look like just wanna let you know like the article gonna talk about this and it's gonna mention this right it's gonna be there's gonna be some negative parts parts which were skeptical about and disease cool could've have kept that relationship didn't lost the relationship that like maybe like me it affected them maybe telling you ahead of time is gonna be negative is not bad but like if i think that what you say is bullshit i'm gonna say it no matter what yeah that no nobody wants the other side right otherwise nobody will read the shit if you're not telling like it is so if you're not telling your actual opinion then the you know the whole ecosystem doesn't work but alright anyways i think have any other ones we wanna talk about you had one i know we well i was gonna to say didn't someone come on the show and i was like i'm gonna tell his person i think there's that that that what they're doing is really stupid and it's definitely awkward what did that happen do you remember that i don't remember that no man i think henry was oh i know what it was it was the the woman from beverly well i think she came on with the the tests and oh i know i i was like i think the nutritional testing is bullshit and you said it straight her face and then she kinda did we answered you trying to pat myself on the back i'm trying to say like literally i even remember like did we call her out don't you literally said it to her i i kind of so i kinda stirred the pot i was like oh yeah you tell her what you think about this like yeah like you told her tell her what you were saved like you know yeah just go say hey yeah definitely set it up but it's definitely awkward like before and after you're like i'm being nice to like i'm definitely gonna roast you right now it's super awkward but think if you do it in a certain way not that bad it's like because and they should understand okay one last thing we dude we we we totally went off the rails here go ahead last thing yeah we did go through this podcast guess was about like bee keeping and like all kinds of other shit but whatever so i'm gonna take my hat off and so i clearly need a haircut my friend greg launched this company or doc it's not company he just created a website called you probably need a haircut dot com and it basically like surfing quickly off the the the quarantine stuff where people are locked at home everyone's hair growing out nobody can go haircut you shaved a mohawk what he's doing is he's barber who are also out of work they're at home they can do a zoom consultation and basically help you cut your own hair and so it's that's awesome if you need a haircut go to you probably her your hair looks good did you cut it no i'm gonna cut it dude it's awful it's yeah it looks good right now i agree actually it does look good about now but i looked at it before this hat was on it and it looked awful so i'm gonna go cut my i've i've i've been cutting my own hair for ten years now i have i've had the clippers i can tell you all about i know how to do a faith the other day i did shave it completely bald because i why do you do the develop my sarah my wife will help me but for years i would do it to my own and admittedly it probably didn't look great but i watched the videos i know how to like give a faith right and i it's it's not that hard but i i've been doing it for years just because for a long time i was poor and i didn't wanna pay money but now i do it because i'm like oh i don't wanna like drive it's turn annoying to go and plus they always make a take my headphones out and i'm like well now i'm bored like you don't understand i constantly have information going through my eyes or my ears and now you're making me just sit here like suck yeah and also i just don't wanna talk to them like i don't wanna like so what i do is i close my eyes and that's like a sign for not not talk but i but i wish that there was like an app like for out a certain barber where like click like do not talk to me or talk to me because like for weird like people like me i'm like i'm just super i don't like the confrontation i just don't wanna i don't wanna talk just leave me alone i'm like dude i'm like that at fucking grocery stores you know jack jackson smith he he we're like the same way we go to grocery stores and i'm like if i don't see what i don't wanna if i don't see what i wanna buy even though they probably have but a different sense not ask i just won't fucking buy it i just won't buy it instead of ask or if i'm with sarah i'd be like sarah we go ask for this i like i even wanna talk to any right yeah it's all i think a lot of people are like that yeah the i think did they add this into uber where you could get in and be like y let's not let's not do that thing where we talk yes yes it's awesome i just don't i'm just like uncomfortable and i don't wanna fucking do it but more barb you know the last thing to know what they need at barber is i just need like six different haircuts for men and you just feel like give me the four but they do have that i feel like a lot of a lot don't and you just say same thing like short on the side a little bit off yeah like everyone says the same thing it's like it's like dude just like show me a picture of like five people and i'll just point right a lot of barber don't have it or dude it could be un unspoken because everybody just wants short on the side a little less word on top but shorter than it is currently and you should only have to say anything if you want some other shit like oh i'm going for this other look i wanna do a look okay then it's on me to tell you about the look but if not i just wanna sit down no words just do the short on the sides a little short on time same just like get me like three outfits like completely bald like i'll just a whatever the three are and i'll just point at one of them and by the way just don't talk to me once i initiate conversation and do my eyebrows because they're getting a little long i got long eyebrows everyone knows that don't make me out well that's the number don't make me out that's the number that's the number four also they say like do you want your do you want the back and neck rounded or square i'm like i don't know i don't care like i don't see it you you'd be the judge exactly and i've i've at one time i asked i was like what's the deal with this question because i don't know and like is there a difference what's the deal and then someone told me actually one of the barber actually taught me they were like look if you do square it when it starts to grow back out it's gonna look shitty so it looked good initially but then it'll it looks it'll look obviously not square after it starts to grow he's like do the round because then even as it grows back it's like blends in it's not so bad that's all dude this sounds like larry david episode like a like so what's the run of square was a difference like i mean we try we try so this one went off the rails i i i think people this is gonna hit with on some people so tweet at me and sean and let us know if this like race yeah just tweet like y stick to the script if you want us to to not go off the rails as much or just say go off the rails if you want us to go off the rails well the good the good news is sean is we don't have to do that much work to research for next tuesday because we i actually had some stuff have to go all our topics stuff because we got stuck on and bee keeping in a bunch of stupid people yeah i'm mad again about that article from ten years ago now i'm like still pissed me too i got bad i'm friends with this the woman who i talked about i'm friends with her on facebook and i like called her out and it never fucking wins when i argue you i'm gonna go decompress i add look at like it i look like an asshole and it just doesn't work and i do it all the time alright man i'll talk to you